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Post by Jason Aiken on Jul 29, 2019 16:51:04 GMT -5
Yeah, order these while you can... I doubt Marvel will let this just slide by.
I think Ablaze is in the right, but corporations fight intellectual property going into the public domain tooth and nail.
From my interpretation, and again I'm only an amateur, all adaptations of Conan stories that are in the public domain in the US can be published. I think they can even do pastiche but they have to stick to the public domain elements. Luckily REH wrote Conan in so many periods of the Cimmerian's life.
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Post by wolfshead on Jul 29, 2019 17:36:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know which of the Glenat adaptations are in U.S. public domain ans which are not?
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jul 29, 2019 17:50:53 GMT -5
Does anyone know which of the Glenat adaptations are in U.S. public domain ans which are not? Check wikisource, they have a nice list: en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Robert_Ervin_HowardBasically everything published in Weird Tales is in the public domain. All the yarns published decades later are not. Notice how all of the Cormac Fitzgeoffrey yarns are public domain. That's probably how Boom! put out that Hawks of Outremer comic so easily. I bet someone could freely adapt Conan from People of the Dark, too.
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Post by Peter on Jul 30, 2019 3:46:01 GMT -5
My only question is how , if Marvel have the rights to Conan in the U.S., will this adaption be allowed to be distributed throughout the U.S. ? I can understand that by calling this The Cimmerian, that it could be published, but throughout the content, as we have clearly seen by these preview pages and already know, the character is named Conan. Is it enough that the title of the story does not refer to Conan, even though the content does, or would the content have to have the name Conan removed from all references as well. My reason for asking, is that I do not wish to get my hopes up about this translated adaption if legalities prevent it happening before it is able to begin. I hope it does begin though. A monthly does of adaptions with a monthly does of the Marvel adventures would do me fine. They should be able to use anything that's in the original story, so Conan can be called Conan. It's just the title of the actual comic that's an issue. Hopefully they've done their homework and it'll work out. It's a shame they're not going to be in the same format as the original Glenat books, but also including the original REH text is a great idea.
That is good news then, thank you Stubbs. Yes these done in HC would be wonderful, perhaps they'll do a tpb or hardcover after they have completed whatever amount of issues they do for each story, with the REH text included. Fingers crossed on that one.
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Post by Peter on Jul 30, 2019 3:56:16 GMT -5
A trademark can't extend copyright. Most of the Conan yarns are public domain, so the stories can be adapted. Hell, as long as they stick to the public domain aspects of the character, they could do all new pastiche comics. At least that's my interpretation of the Sherlock Holmes ruling. The Sherlock Holmes ruling was pivotal but nobody had the balls to test the waters until now with Conan. I wish Ablaze luck and will do everything I can to support them.
That's brilliant then.
This could be the start of something quite interesting if the original REH stories become popular through these Ablaze Glenat adaptions.
Who knows eventually may lead to seeing these adaptions on screen. I know I'm stretching a long bow here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 4:46:24 GMT -5
Glenat story is pages 003-048 so more than 32, plus 2 articles: Birth of a Myth (5 pages), QotBC (3 pages) and a 5 pages gallery. And quite nothing to do in graphics compared to the 3 first covers above (4th is the Glenat cover). As this site is often referenced here, you can fid the Glenat version at readcomiconline.to/Comic/Conan-le-Cimmerien-La-Reine-de-la-cote-noire Thanks for the link. I really like the art styles used in the stories, they look incredible.
Queen of the black coast and Beyond thunder river felt a bit rushed at some points though, like they needed more pages to really tell the full story. Black Colossus was perfect, that battle at the end really captured the feel of the original story. Hopefully the official translation will be able to flesh out the text a bit and not feel as "jumpy" as the fan translations.
As good as they are though, I am going to hold out and hope for a trade or a hardcover special edition. If I'm going to buy them, I want it to be something I can have on my shelf.
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Post by wolfshead on Jul 30, 2019 9:46:48 GMT -5
Maybe Ablaze should trademark "Cimmerian" before Marvel does in an attempt to block them
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 3, 2019 20:01:22 GMT -5
So far, so good. But I wouldn't put it past Cabinet and/or Marvel to try and pull something right when the first issue is about to ship.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 1:29:13 GMT -5
According to Ablaze they will only be adapting the 17 yarns that are in the Public Domain in the USA. Excerpt from Ablaze Publishing: The majority of the Conan stories fell into the public domain in the 1960s due to non-filing of required copyright renewals. Outside of the United States all of the original 17 Conan stories are in the public domain. ABLAZE will be releasing adaptations of the Conan stories that are in the public domain in the USA.
ablazepublishing.com/product-E1100019.html#
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Post by wolfshead on Aug 4, 2019 10:36:38 GMT -5
So exactly which are not in the public domain? I'm guessing the Frost Giant's Daughter isn't but Gods of the North is, so that should be able to be printed without using Conan's name. Easy enough, since his name really doesn't come up until the very end, and even then, he doesn't have to be called by name.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 4, 2019 10:43:43 GMT -5
So exactly which are not in the public domain? I'm guessing the Frost Giant's Daughter isn't but Gods of the North is, so that should be able to be printed without using Conan's name. Easy enough, since his name really doesn't come up until the very end, and even then, he doesn't have to be called by name. Exactly. Just have them call him "Cimmerian"
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Post by stubbs on Aug 4, 2019 11:34:52 GMT -5
It would be a shame if Ablaze couldn't publish the Glenat Frost Giant's Daughter, it's one of their best adaptations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 12:32:45 GMT -5
It would be a shame if Ablaze couldn't publish the Glenat Frost Giant's Daughter, it's one of their best adaptations. Yeah, it's not exactly a direct adaptation. Still, it's the best adaptation of FGD - better than the Marvel/DH adaptations.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 4, 2019 12:49:17 GMT -5
I'm sure they could publish it as "The Cimmerian: Gods of the North"
Save it for last and just don't call him Conan in the solicits and don't call him by name in the story. You really wouldn't even need to call him "Cimmerian" at the end when he snaps out of it. The northmen could just refer to him as friend. We know who he is.
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Post by Erik on Aug 4, 2019 14:41:16 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with Ablaze comics since they're new, and I'm wondering what the availability of this will be in local comic shops across the US (and if I'd have to special order it). I read that Charlie Adlard is working on a series for this company, so maybe the popularity will be larger than I'm thinking...
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