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Post by BlackHeart on Aug 29, 2019 12:21:56 GMT -5
Well guys, I remember we used to talk about topics like this in the old forum, so I decided to start one. And, as before, feel free to share your opinions and choices. Maybe once some studio will screw them self up and actualy read suggestions of us fans here Who knows...? So... It happend few nights back, when I was relax with a cold beer after a hard day, that I’ve ran into some pictures on Instagram, of one astonishing beauty named Barbie (Barbara) Blank. It did not take long to realize that my eyes rest on a former WWE diva Kelly Kelly. I was stunned. Although I have been following pro wrestling since the attitude era, until sometime in 2009, I have never (despite my innate weakness for blondes) paid particular attention to Kelly Kelly. Once you’ve seen Amazonian like the late Chyna, or Beth Phoenix performing, you see rest of the girls as fragile porcelain figurines that has nothing to do in the ring (’cept the eye candy role), but that's not important here. What mattered was that, at those moments, an image of Atali from Howard's "The Frost Giant’s Daughter” burst into my head. Each of us as director would have a different choice for the role, but mine would definitely be her: - Before him, swaying like a sapling in the wind, stood a woman. Her body was like ivory to his dazed gaze, and save for a light veil of gossamer, she was naked as the day. Her slender bare feet were whiter than the snow they spurned. She laughed down at the bewildered warrior. Her laughter was sweeter than the rippling of silvery fountains, and poisonous with cruel mockery. - His gaze went again to her unruly locks, which at first glance he had thought to be red. Now he saw that they were neither red nor yellow but a glorious compound of both colors. He gazed spell-bound. Her hair was like elfin-gold; the sun struck it so dazzlingly that he could scarcely bear to look upon it. Her eyes were likewise neither wholly blue nor wholly grey, but of shifting colors and dancing lights and clouds of colors he could not define. Her full red lips smiled, and from her slender feet to the blinding crown of her billowy hair, her ivory body was as perfect as the dream of a god. - "My village is further than you can walk, Conan of Cimmeria," she laughed. Spreading her arms wide, she swayed before him, her golden head lolling sensuously, her scintillant eyes half shadowed beneath their long silken lashes. "Am I not beautiful, oh man?" Wow... Just wow... She's perfect! 😍 I believe many will disagree with me on the choice, but as far as physical appearance is concerned, Kelly is an extremely beautiful woman, who, at 32, looks better than many younger girls in the business or even in Hollywood - one would said that she's matured as a good wine, getting better with age. She is very athletic, agile and fast, and as she has never stopped with fitness, her form and shape of the body are as ordered for the role. Even her eyes are a vague shade between gray and blue. Her complexion, of course, should be paler, but it's nothing a month or two without sunbathing can't fix. And her face structure is interesting at the very least. A face fit for a goddes of the North. Finally, with a little touch of movie magic, that would certainly have to apply to Atali's hair, one can help on that as well. Movie makeup exist for such stuff. As far as her acting goes, we haven't had a chance to see her on film so far, so I don't know how much she could show in a small but still complex role of Atali, but, neither that isnt a problem in the hands of a skilled director who would guide her through the role. I would not expect performance in the style of Cate Blanchett, but I think that this beauty would be a pleasant surprise for all of us.
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Post by kemp on Sept 5, 2019 9:13:12 GMT -5
I normally prefer brunettes to blondes speaking for myself, but I would give Atali strawberry blonde hair and a pale compexion, kind of somewhere between Vanir and Aesir, as in the story. Maybe Amy Adams.
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Post by kemp on Sept 5, 2019 9:19:57 GMT -5
I don't think any of the major studios in the west would do 'The Frost Giants Daughter' these days ( social politics ), at least in its original format.
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 6, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -5
I don't think any of the major studios in the west would do 'The Frost Giants Daughter' these days ( social politics ), at least in its original format. Well, they should do it. It is called fiction, and it has its use, fans and requires something called bals 😏 And, if we wanna talk about "rape part" of yarn, whole thing started under supernatural influence - since Atali use her mesmerising beauty and obviously some form of mind/sence influence, to atract man so her daddy can eat their smokin' fresh hearts - and should be presented as such. Like we have Poison Ivy in Batman - its clear that she uses feromone dust on males to bent them to her will. Here they should just show (and there's a thrilion ways) that Conan is under some sort of lust magic, and problem solved. As far as Amy Adams goes, I love her as Lois Lane! 😍 Beautyfull woman, but her age and I'll say lack of Nordic aperiance could make her wrong card to play. I might be wrong, tho...
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Post by robp on Sept 6, 2019 11:15:38 GMT -5
OP looks too "Americanised" to me. Prefer a more Scandi look for Atali
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 15:45:06 GMT -5
OP looks too "Americanised" to me. Prefer a more Scandi look for Atali Nice, who is she? I'd still go for Buse Narcı of the Turkish Republic. I still don't know if she can speak any English but she definitely looks the part.
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Post by kemp on Sept 6, 2019 21:23:11 GMT -5
I don't think any of the major studios in the west would do 'The Frost Giants Daughter' these days ( social politics ), at least in its original format. Well, they should do it. It is called fiction, and it has its use, fans and requires something called bals 😏 And, if we wanna talk about "rape part" of yarn, whole thing started under supernatural influence - since Atali use her mesmerising beauty and obviously some form of mind/sence influence, to atract man so her daddy can eat their smokin' fresh hearts - and should be presented as such. Like we have Poison Ivy in Batman - its clear that she uses feromone dust on males to bent them to her will. Here they should just show (and there's a thrilion ways) that Conan is under some sort of lust magic, and problem solved. As far as Amy Adams goes, I love her as Lois Lane! 😍 Beautyfull woman, but her age and I'll say lack of Nordic aperiance could make her wrong card to play. I might be wrong, tho... You are probably right about Amy Adams not fitting the Atali role, the problem right here in that we partly base these things on what we personally consider to be attractive. I think Atali should have that strawberry blonde or red tinged blonde hair, Nordic in looks, pale and have a haunting beauty about her. There are writers, directors and producers in the states that would like to do these things the right way, but are constrained by the studio execs, expectations forced upon them by what is thought will bring in the highest earnings. They probably see it as too commercially niche. The thinking, in my humble opinion, might be that the near rape scene, irrespective of Conan’s state of mind due to the supernatural occurrences, would probably scare off some of the liberal saturated audience, notable women, that would not have had much problems with the violence otherwise. Sexual politics has had a consequence on western cinema ( not all bad ), but I even hear people say how they cringe now when they watch the love scene in the original Bladerunner movie where Harrison Ford ‘forces’ himself on Sean Young. That’s what I mean. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you, and I think the solution would probably be for an American-Russian coproduction since the Russians have been doing very well with fantasy and historical epics and are not hindered by certain creative constraints.
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Post by kemp on Sept 8, 2019 8:29:49 GMT -5
OP looks too "Americanised" to me. Prefer a more Scandi look for Atali Nice, who is she? I'd still go for Buse Narcı of the Turkish Republic. I still don't know if she can speak any English but she definitely looks the part. Buse Narci is certainly attractive, ( are those contacts, don't look like natural blue eyes ). Not my choice for Atali though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 14:17:54 GMT -5
Nice, who is she? I'd still go for Buse Narcı of the Turkish Republic. I still don't know if she can speak any English but she definitely looks the part. Buse Narci is certainly attractive, ( are those contacts, don't look like natural blue eyes ). Not my choice for Atali though. Yeah, I think she had some kinda surgery to change her eye color - according to what I could find online.
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 8, 2019 14:46:32 GMT -5
Buse Narci is certainly attractive, ( are those contacts, don't look like natural blue eyes ). Not my choice for Atali though. Yeah, I think she had some kinda surgery to change her eye color - according to what I could find online. She's definetly gorgeous. Werry unusual face lines and that eyes (real blue or not) are hipnotic. Only problem I see is that she looks a bit exotic. But hauntingly beautyfull 😍 I think that Kemp is right, in the end its all about what we personly consider attractive. Its like - ten diferent directors, ten diferent casting choices, and you get ten diferent movies as a result - no matter that they're based on the same material. I would definetly go with lesser known/unknown face for this one, but, what about Amber Heard? She was powerfull as Mera in Aquaman, she had some sort of sinister look, doesnt have a problem with nudity on scene (London Fields/The Informers), nor she's new to filming a rape scene (North Country 2005). Imo wouldnt be bad as Atali.
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Post by kemp on Sept 9, 2019 9:06:44 GMT -5
Buse Narci is certainly attractive, ( are those contacts, don't look like natural blue eyes ). Not my choice for Atali though. Yeah, I think she had some kinda surgery to change her eye color - according to what I could find online. 'Surgery to change eye color'........ why people butcher themselves I will never know.
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Post by kemp on Sept 9, 2019 9:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I think she had some kinda surgery to change her eye color - according to what I could find online. She's definetly gorgeous. Werry unusual face lines and that eyes (real blue or not) are hipnotic. Only problem I see is that she looks a bit exotic. But hauntingly beautyfull 😍 I think that Kemp is right, in the end its all about what we personly consider attractive. Its like - ten diferent directors, ten diferent casting choices, and you get ten diferent movies as a result - no matter that they're based on the same material. I would definetly go with lesser known/unknown face for this one, but, what about Amber Heard? She was powerfull as Mera in Aquaman, she had some sort of sinister look, doesnt have a problem with nudity on scene (London Fields/The Informers), nor she's new to filming a rape scene (North Country 2005). Imo wouldnt be bad as Atali. I can almost see Amber Heard as Atali. From a purely monetary and high adventure perspective I would rather see a big movie about Conan and Belit, 'Queen of the Black Coast'. I think that could work quite well, and I always liked the way the artists depicted Belit in the old SSOC. Personally, I would love to see the Atali story on screen, but maybe it would be better handled on one of the streaming services with subsequent monies recouped along the distribution lines. I read this on Wikipedia. 'The story was adapted into the prologue to the unproduced sequel King Conan: Crown of Iron written by screenwriter/director John Milius. In the screenplay, Conan encounters the Frost-Giant's Daughter and defeats her brothers, as in the original. However, in Milius' adaptation, he is not interrupted by Ymir and impregnates Atali, who then disappears in apparent fear of "The Ice Worm". She bears him a son, named Kon, whose parentage takes on much significance over the course of the story.' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frost-Giant%27s_Daughter
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 9, 2019 10:37:52 GMT -5
Yes, in Crown of Iron She is Kon's mother. Though, she isnt called Atali in this one, but always refered to as Daughter of Snows. Millius had slightly diferent aproach, and few things were changed; she was totaly evil, her hair were depicted as reddish (ol' John tried to connect her origin with Picts), lips blue (of frost) and entire atmosphere is more haunting, almost horroric in moment where Conan first meet her. I actualy liked the way it was adapted; since it wasnt REH's Conan but Arnie's, it could've been epic on screen. As far as QotBC goes, twas one of my faworites, and the way Roy Thomas expanded it on 30 episodes was epic, unlike Dark Horse's version, wich was patetic. And, Belit... She was presented perfectly on paper. Definetly would love to see same style on live action flick. To hell with this quotting options! Im worst at this
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Post by kemp on Sept 10, 2019 9:26:49 GMT -5
Yes, in Crown of Iron She is Kon's mother. Though, she isnt called Atali in this one, but always refered to as Daughter of Snows. Millius had slightly diferent aproach, and few things were changed; she was totaly evil, her hair were depicted as reddish (ol' John tried to connect her origin with Picts), lips blue (of frost) and entire atmosphere is more haunting, almost horroric in moment where Conan first meet her. I actualy liked the way it was adapted; since it wasnt REH's Conan but Arnie's, it could've been epic on screen. As far as QotBC goes, twas one of my faworites, and the way Roy Thomas expanded it on 30 episodes was epic, unlike Dark Horse's version, wich was patetic. And, Belit... She was presented perfectly on paper. Definetly would love to see same style on live action flick. To hell with this quotting options! Im worst at this The Frost Giant’s Daughter movie, if done tight, would have all the makings of a cult classic, although its success would not be apparent when first released. Atali was an amoral faye creature luring warriors to be murdered by her giant brothers, hence I have little sympathy for her or any fate that she would have suffered. It would have been interesting to see Milius treatment on the character, although it would have been a different kettle of fish to REH’s original take on Atali. Belit is the ultimate companion for Conan. I know CtB’s Valeria was very loosely based on Belit, her death and coming back, but nothing would compare to actually bringing REH’s Belit to the screen. Your quoting is fine mate.
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Post by attilaman66 on Sept 10, 2019 14:26:47 GMT -5
I think Milius did do a take on Atali. I read his "Crown of Iron" script and early on in it Conan is alone in a frozen winter forest and is approached by a mysterious woman who later gives birth to his son Kon. I would need to go back and read it again, but I think there are more FGD connections with that character.
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