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Post by deuce on Sept 29, 2016 15:08:37 GMT -5
What health problems has busiek had? He's had ongoing health problems since the 90s, starting with having to have had some kind of corrective surgery on his sinus/nasal cavity and other issues he has not fully made public. It was one of the main reasons he left Dark Horse/freelance to go exclusive with DC at the time, because going exclusive meant he had health insurance through DC. A lot of it stemmed from mercury poisoning when he was younger and the long term affects that has on your physiology. Regardless of health though, he has repeatedly stated via social media and on comic forums like CBR (where he maintained an Ask Kurt Busiek thread for a long time) that he no longer has any desire to do any work-for-hire work and is devoting all him time and energy to creator-owned projects, which pretty much would preclude a return to Conan for Dark Horse. Busiek was in the hospital when he finally got around to reading Roy's award-winning run on Conan. Grindberg has said he won't do a Conan story without Roy Thomas.
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Post by lordyam on Oct 1, 2016 22:15:10 GMT -5
One thing that bothers me is that in DH's overall story arc, Thoth SURVIVES Conan. To make that a win for Conan, the "final fight" will require some very complex storytelling. Maybe the Prince summons Conan to his time ala "Kings of the Night" and they fight him together? Queen of the Black Coast NEEDS a proper adaptation. Wood really screwed that up. Truman and Giorello could work wonders on it. Or bring back Cary Nord and Kurt Busiek. I can live without People of the Black Circle being redone. But Red Nails, the Black Stranger, and Beyond the Black River definitely need to be told by either Truman and Giorello, or Busiek and Nord. The series has to go out on a high note creatively. I chatted with Tomas on Facebook. He confirmed that he's solely Valliance. I bought one of the newer Conan TPBs from Barnes and Noble
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Post by Jason Aiken on Oct 2, 2016 10:27:18 GMT -5
Maybe the Prince summons Conan to his time ala "Kings of the Night" and they fight him together? Queen of the Black Coast NEEDS a proper adaptation. Wood really screwed that up. Truman and Giorello could work wonders on it. Or bring back Cary Nord and Kurt Busiek. I can live without People of the Black Circle being redone. But Red Nails, the Black Stranger, and Beyond the Black River definitely need to be told by either Truman and Giorello, or Busiek and Nord. The series has to go out on a high note creatively. I chatted with Tomas on Facebook. He confirmed that he's solely Valliance. I bought one of the newer Conan TPBs from Barnes and Noble That's today, these projects are years down the road. Hopefully once his Valiant exclusive ends he can fit in the Red and Black stories. But something tells me he's going to be in even higher demand by that point.
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Post by lordyam on Oct 2, 2016 13:21:02 GMT -5
At this point the only thing I'd do for Certain are
1.) Another Series: 25 issues, combines the Black and Red Stories 2.) Grand Finale Series: 12-125 issues: Basically Conan's swan song. We get the details of his final clash with Thoth. The Wazir reveals his true colors and tries to take over the world. Conan is brought from the past a la Kings of the Night. This gives us a final battle where thoth is finally killed for good. Conan returns to his own time, the Prince is ready to become king etc. 3.) Conan's death song. We get Conan's final adventure on Mayapan (he was in a continent to the west). He dies having forged another empire and planting his seeds in more women's bellies, allowing his legacy to endure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 13:40:54 GMT -5
At this point the only thing I'd do for Certain are 1.) Another Series: 25 issues, combines the Black and Red Stories 2.) Grand Finale Series: 12-125 issues: Basically Conan's swan song. We get the details of his final clash with Thoth. The Wazir reveals his true colors and tries to take over the world. Conan is brought from the past a la Kings of the Night. This gives us a final battle where thoth is finally killed for good. Conan returns to his own time, the Prince is ready to become king etc. 3.) Conan's death song. We get Conan's final adventure on Mayapan (he was in a continent to the west). He dies having forged another empire and planting his seeds in more women's bellies, allowing his legacy to endure I'm not too keen on Thoth. I'd rather Dark Horse forget all about him. I think there's enough to work from REH's letter to P. Schuyler Miller and Dr. John D. Clark. 'He travelled widely, not only before his kingship, but after he was king. He travelled to Khitai and Hyrkania, and to the even less known regions north of the latter and south of the former. He even visited a nameless continent in the western hemisphere, and roamed among the islands adjacent to it. How much of this roaming will get into print, I cannot foretell with any accuracy.'
Great new avatar, Lordyam.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 17:29:24 GMT -5
At this point the only thing I'd do for Certain are 1.) Another Series: 25 issues, combines the Black and Red Stories 2.) Grand Finale Series: 12-125 issues: Basically Conan's swan song. We get the details of his final clash with Thoth. The Wazir reveals his true colors and tries to take over the world. Conan is brought from the past a la Kings of the Night. This gives us a final battle where thoth is finally killed for good. Conan returns to his own time, the Prince is ready to become king etc. 3.) Conan's death song. We get Conan's final adventure on Mayapan (he was in a continent to the west). He dies having forged another empire and planting his seeds in more women's bellies, allowing his legacy to endure I'm not too keen on Thoth. I'd rather Dark Horse forget all about him. I think there's enough to work from REH's letter to P. Schuyler Miller and Dr. John D. Clark. 'He travelled widely, not only before his kingship, but after he was king. He travelled to Khitai and Hyrkania, and to the even less known regions north of the latter and south of the former. He even visited a nameless continent in the western hemisphere, and roamed among the islands adjacent to it. How much of this roaming will get into print, I cannot foretell with any accuracy.'
Great new avatar, Lordyam. I too am not keen on Thoth. Forget about it. There are many great stories yet to be told.
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Post by lordyam on Oct 3, 2016 22:57:42 GMT -5
Part of it is that I'm a sucker for closure; I wanna see how the story ends and after everything the guy's done I want him to go down for his crimes. Busiek did a good enough job building up the tragedy that I got invested (Thoth's far more dangerous here than he ever was in De Camp). Van Lente implied they'd be going back. It's why I wanted Janissa back (I felt she had potential and wanted to see the story progress. It did, and we got one of the best Conan arcs in years). If by chance the things still running when Giorello and Nord have their contracts expire I'd be happy to see them do the swan song
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 4, 2016 7:48:10 GMT -5
If they want to wrap up the Prince Wazir stuff in a two issue cliffhanger, I think that'd be OK. Any more than that will distract from things. And I think you end the series there, without us knowing exactly where and when Conan left this plane of existence. Just better to leave it with a bit of mystery. I mean, if REH didn't know, how could we? :-)
Whether they could do a 25 issue series based on Conan's wanderings on the nameless western continent would depend on sales at the time.
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Post by lordyam on Oct 4, 2016 15:11:50 GMT -5
I'd do 4 forty page issues (same as book of thoth) issues 1 and 2 see Thoth's downfall in the past, 3 and 4 see his downfall in the present.
In the Witcher series the most vile villain is Eredin, who has committed numerous acts of genocide murder slavery across planets. He doesn't get his comeuppance in the books but in the games Geralt kills the bastard for what he's done. It may not be canon but it's satisfying.
I want Thoth to face justice for his crimes, like Arthas, Eredin and other vile bad guys who had it coming for years
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Post by theironshadow on Jul 23, 2019 5:14:07 GMT -5
Sorry for diggin' this one out of the archive, gent's, but i'm coming back to Conan after a dry spell for a couple of years. The last DH books i got were The Devil In Iron and Blood In His Wake before pickinh up recently The Life And Death from Marvel.
So Aside from Red Nails, what Howard works are still unadapted, and has there been any suggestion from Marvel of them re-adapting works done previously by Dark Horse? Thanks for your time...
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 23, 2019 6:16:32 GMT -5
DH still had RN, Black River, Black Stranger, Pool of the Black One, Vale of Lost Women, Shadows In Zamboula and the Tombalku fragment. They could have down the Black & Red trilogy in King Conan and the rest in the regular series had they had the license another two years but sales had gotten to the point where they just couldn’t continue. It’s currently selling around 5x as much as it did during the last year or two at DH (caveats taken into consideration). Even the Belit book is selling twice as much.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 23, 2019 6:37:33 GMT -5
I, for one, can get by without anymore adaptions. Marvel would do well to reprint some of their old SSoC and CtB adaptions I suppose.
If they insist on putting out Conan comics I'd like to see new, quality pastiches.
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 23, 2019 7:43:12 GMT -5
I, for one, can get by without anymore adaptions. Marvel would do well to reprint some of their old SSoC and CtB adaptions I suppose. If they insist on putting out Conan comics I'd like to see new, quality pastiches. Marvel's doing quite well indeed with the reprints, in fact we've probably got a few more repackagings to go!
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Post by terryallenuk on Jul 23, 2019 13:13:37 GMT -5
I've not yet bought any of the omnis. but if they ever repackage just the adaptations I'm in for those.
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 23, 2019 13:27:40 GMT -5
I've not yet bought any of the omnis. but if they ever repackage just the adaptations I'm in for those. That might be a little too narrowly focused for Marvel, BUT... There are those stranded colorized B&W stories, so we could possibly get a volume collecting the Treasury Edition stories with: Red Nails Cimmeria Rogues in the House (Barry's recolored job) Night of the Dark God Black Colossus Iron Shadows In The Moon People of the Dark A Witch Shall Be Born May not be everything but it's probably about as Howard-centric as we'll get.
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