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Post by almuric on Aug 25, 2023 11:14:45 GMT -5
Heck, there's opportunities for diversity even in the original legends if you look closely. One that gets overlooked is Morfran/Morvran, one of Arthur's knights who is described as being black. Morfran's father is named Tegid, which is Welsh for the Roman Tacitus, which suggests he had a foreign ancestry. The myth about him being the son of a goddess could have been a folk legend to explain the strange appearance of the man in a time period when travelers from afar were rare in Britain. There, you have someone who could have plausibly been of another ethnicity and you didn't have to warp history wildly out of shape to do it.
But doing this takes the bare minimum of effort, so I can see why Hollywood types would take the lazy route.
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Post by Von K on Aug 25, 2023 15:53:44 GMT -5
Judging by what I'm seeing out there and things my friends have said about them the original books by Cornwell are great. But I think fans of the books are going to be very disappointed in what looks to be just another generic post modern politically correct TV 'adaptation.'
Sir Sagramore (le Desirous ie 'impetuous') was introduced to the Arthurian cycle by Chretien de Troyes (12th Century). According to the Vulgate Cycle (13th Century) he was Byzantine, nephew of the Emperor of Constantinople. Also - he was never mentioned in the original Welsh legends (6th - 9th century). Even Cornwell it seems is playing somewhat fast and loose with literary tradition if not necessarily actual history. For the TV adaptation - in the wake of the Roman occupation there are at least a few ways to do this kind of thing sensibly, historically and organically (some Sarmatian auxiliaries even ended up in Ireland for instance). Cornwell knows this: He makes changes to the literary tradition but at least keeps them historically organic. I figured the only way to make it work is via the Roman route but you REALLY have to stretch it. If he wants to go pillage Cliges from the CDTU (Chretien de Troyes Universe), have at it. CDTU - that's an interesting way to look at it!
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 25, 2023 16:14:45 GMT -5
I figured the only way to make it work is via the Roman route but you REALLY have to stretch it. If he wants to go pillage Cliges from the CDTU (Chretien de Troyes Universe), have at it. CDTU - that's an interesting way to look at it!
Between World Literature and Arthurian Romance, I had to read them all, including Perceval. Cliges is the one that’s only sort of connected.
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Post by Von K on Aug 25, 2023 16:48:59 GMT -5
Heck, there's opportunities for diversity even in the original legends if you look closely. One that gets overlooked is Morfran/Morvran, one of Arthur's knights who is described as being black. Morfran's father is named Tegid, which is Welsh for the Roman Tacitus, which suggests he had a foreign ancestry. The myth about him being the son of a goddess could have been a folk legend to explain the strange appearance of the man in a time period when travelers from afar were rare in Britain. There, you have someone who could have plausibly been of another ethnicity and you didn't have to warp history wildly out of shape to do it. Aye. There is also Sir Palomedes the Saracen and his brother Sir Safer who were sons of an exiled Babylonian king who traveled to Britain, though like Sagramor they are from the later medieval material rather than the earlier dark age Welsh legends.
It seems likely that a historical Arthur - if he actually existed - would have used any effective tactics, troops, leaders and equipment left over from the Roman occupation that he could get.
Whilst I don't agree with the speculation presented in the 2004 King Arthur movie, it seems likely that there is at least some influence from Sarmatian cavalry traditions at the root of certain core elements of the Arthurian legend. The Sword in the Stone seems like a modification of the Sarmatian Sword in the Mound. One prominent Irish clan of the period admired Sarmatian horse archery and invited a contingent over to Ireland, including offering them Irish wives. Quite a convincing speculation.
At the very least the mobile cavalry warband that provided such a central tactical advantage in that period to Arthur was almost certainly influenced by tactics learned from the Romans or Roman auxiliaries.
Imho they would have been better served with a House of the Dragon approach.
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Post by Von K on Aug 25, 2023 16:58:58 GMT -5
CDTU - that's an interesting way to look at it!
Between World Literature and Arthurian Romance, I had to read them all, including Perceval. Cliges is the one that’s only sort of connected. You've read way more Arthuriana than I have!
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Post by hyrkanian on Aug 29, 2023 9:20:26 GMT -5
Hungarians are making TV series about Janos Hunyadi.
Trailer:
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 19, 2023 19:48:40 GMT -5
That looks great, definitely didn't skimp on the budget. I'm not familiar with this period in history, so should be fun to watch. They're definitely going with a GoT feel, who knows maybe they even have some of the crew.
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Post by hyrkanian on Sept 20, 2023 4:34:22 GMT -5
Yes, solid budget (27 million Euros).
It seems that the actors in the series will speak the authentic language of their characters, although I don't know how successful they will be in that, because even though they hired actors from Turkey to play Turks, some of the foreigners in the series are played by Hungarian actors. Such as, for example, the wife of the Turkish Sultan, Mara Branković, who was a Serb, or the famous Vlad the Impaler.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 20, 2023 13:00:31 GMT -5
Anyone check out the Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon yet? I kind of got tired of the main show after a while, but I liked the first two episodes of this spin-off. It's set in France and has a cool look that's equal parts Hammer Horror and World War II flicks. It's only six episodes, but I think a season two has been confirmed.
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Post by Erik on Sept 20, 2023 15:40:09 GMT -5
Anyone check out the Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon yet? I kind of got tired of the main show after a while, but I liked the first two episodes of this spin-off. It's set in France and has a cool look that's equal parts Hammer Horror and World War II flicks. It's only six episodes, but I think a season two has been confirmed. Yeah, when the main series ended, I figured that'd be enough for me. So I haven't been watching any of the spin-offs, but I might check out the Daryl Dixon one now. Let us know if it continues to be good.
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Post by kemp on Sept 20, 2023 17:31:21 GMT -5
Hungarians are making TV series about Janos Hunyadi.
About time they made a series or major film production about the military exploits of Janos Hunyadi. I first came across Hunyadi in one one of the Osprey historical military books years ago and thought the story had the makings of an epic production.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 20, 2023 23:15:54 GMT -5
Anyone check out the Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon yet? I kind of got tired of the main show after a while, but I liked the first two episodes of this spin-off. It's set in France and has a cool look that's equal parts Hammer Horror and World War II flicks. It's only six episodes, but I think a season two has been confirmed. Yeah, when the main series ended, I figured that'd be enough for me. So I haven't been watching any of the spin-offs, but I might check out the Daryl Dixon one now. Let us know if it continues to be good. Will do. I will say that I like it better than the Maggie and Negan one, Dead City. I watched the first three episodes of that one since it's still on demand on YouTube TV and I'll probably finish it, but it kind of took those characters backwards a bit after the main series ended. I kind of want to check out Fear the Walking Dead, but I don't know if I can invest that much more time. It's wrapping up in October, I hear.
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Post by hun on Sept 21, 2023 11:13:10 GMT -5
Looks like potentially good stuff from the Magyars.
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Post by kemp on Sept 21, 2023 17:20:28 GMT -5
Yep, the Magyars and Ottomans are related peoples, ethnically similar belonging to the same wider language family, separated only by some cultural and religious regional differences due to where they respectively roamed and eventually settled. Janos Hunyadi, one of the most famous Magyars, would probably belong on the warriors of the steppe thread too .
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Post by Erik on Sept 23, 2023 9:46:46 GMT -5
Yeah, when the main series ended, I figured that'd be enough for me. So I haven't been watching any of the spin-offs, but I might check out the Daryl Dixon one now. Let us know if it continues to be good. Will do. I will say that I like it better than the Maggie and Negan one, Dead City. I watched the first three episodes of that one since it's still on demand on YouTube TV and I'll probably finish it, but it kind of took those characters backwards a bit after the main series ended. I kind of want to check out Fear the Walking Dead, but I don't know if I can invest that much more time. It's wrapping up in October, I hear. Fear the Walking Dead is the only one I'm still watching, and only because I started watching it at the beginning and want to finish it. Honestly, I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're a really big zombie show fan, but it certainly had its moments. These last two seasons haven't been that great, though, so I'm hoping the second half of this last season improves and ends with a bang. I didn't bother with Dead City, because I was never impressed with the TV version of Negan - I always thought he paled in comparison to the comic version. And Maggie got a little annoying hehe.
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