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Post by finarvyn on Apr 3, 2019 5:29:40 GMT -5
My dislike for them comes down from the fear that the transporter might be killing you and making a copy of you at destination. So Star Trek transporters avoid the copies problem because they store the original matter, and associated consciousness throughout, even if said person is not thinking whilst they are being transported ( sort of like sleep or under anesthesia ). Continuity of consciousness is never broken. The transporter buffers in a transporter beam store the neural energy of the individual: their memories, personality, sense of self, consciousness; the essence of their being. Basically, their brain gets stored, the body gets taken apart and put back together, and their brain then gets reinserted. It is the same person. A copy is not made. Basically cut and paste as opposed to copy and paste to put it in simple terms. If I recall correctly, James Blish includes an interesting discussion of this in the novel Spock Must Die! from the (early?) 1970's. IIRC, McCoy was asking the question if Starfleet was essentially murdering everyone by sending them through transporters. Love the "cut and paste" analogy!
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Post by kemp on Apr 3, 2019 7:41:38 GMT -5
There are things that I wish existed, but but I am consoled that the above only exists in sci fi. Myself, I prefer star ships, also temporary worm holes to travel between vast galactic points, kind of like in Stargate... Kemp, couldn't agree more. Many of my stories involve worm holes or super-fast ships for traveling enormous distances, which often involve time as well. I've never included a transporter device because I can't see subjecting my characters to a science I wouldn't trust myself to. I have one story, The Cosmos of Despair, that involves a worm hole at one point, and a faster-than-light vessel later that they use to go back in time. Fun stuff. I should probably check out Cosmos of Despair. www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Despair-Tales-Book-ebook/dp/B06XWCNG1VI view travelling between worm holes at any given location, and faster than light star vessels as employing the same sort of thing, namely fold space technology. They could have just as easily included temporary worm holes in their transporter rooms, about the size of a human, to send people though. Perhaps if someone had informed Gene Roddenberry back in the beginning that’s what the Federation would have been using in the series. It still would have saved on budget, and perhaps a little more plausible. The difference would be that emphasis would be placed on creating a gateway between two locations in space, anything that could fit through the wormhole could enter into that corridor, it wouldn’t have anything to do with deconstructing the matter of the object going through, be it animal, vegetable or mineral. The main difficulty ( in my over simplified fan analysis ) would be keeping the wormhole stable enough for the time it took for the object to pass through it, I mean you would not want to be standing around like an idiot with your arm in the wormhole and joking about the fact that you are grabbing something on a planet in a distant star system whilst standing on a ship in space or on Earth only to have the gate collapse taking your arm off. In any case I favour wormholes over teleport transporters….just jump through it quickly before it collapses.
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Post by kemp on Apr 3, 2019 7:50:00 GMT -5
My dislike for them comes down from the fear that the transporter might be killing you and making a copy of you at destination. So Star Trek transporters avoid the copies problem because they store the original matter, and associated consciousness throughout, even if said person is not thinking whilst they are being transported ( sort of like sleep or under anesthesia ). Continuity of consciousness is never broken. The transporter buffers in a transporter beam store the neural energy of the individual: their memories, personality, sense of self, consciousness; the essence of their being. Basically, their brain gets stored, the body gets taken apart and put back together, and their brain then gets reinserted. It is the same person. A copy is not made. Basically cut and paste as opposed to copy and paste to put it in simple terms. If I recall correctly, James Blish includes an interesting discussion of this in the novel Spock Must Die! from the (early?) 1970's. IIRC, McCoy was asking the question if Starfleet was essentially murdering everyone by sending them through transporters. Love the "cut and paste" analogy! McCoy has transporter phobia, he is not alone on that one
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Apr 3, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -5
Kemp, couldn't agree more. Many of my stories involve worm holes or super-fast ships for traveling enormous distances, which often involve time as well. I've never included a transporter device because I can't see subjecting my characters to a science I wouldn't trust myself to. I have one story, The Cosmos of Despair, that involves a worm hole at one point, and a faster-than-light vessel later that they use to go back in time. Fun stuff. In any case I favour wormholes over teleport transporters….just jump through it quickly before it collapses... Speaking of worm holes collapsing, I wonder why they are so often portrayed as being so unstable? I've not studied the science/theory behind them, so maybe that is just inherent in them due to how they are created/constructed? Dude, if you want that Cosmos tale, PM me your email and I'll hook you up with a coupon for a free copy from Smashwords. And that goes for anybody on Swords. You guys are my pals, and I ain't out to make a buck off any of you. But before you read it, you might want to read it's short-story prequel, Valley of Despair. Now,after having said that I'd never plop a transporter in a story, danged if I didn't do so just this week in a Tarzan yarn I'm working on! But the reason I did so was because I needed its fallibility! And it worked--perfect. Or, well, imperfectly.
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Post by kemp on Apr 3, 2019 7:57:53 GMT -5
In any case I favour wormholes over teleport transporters….just jump through it quickly before it collapses... Speaking of worm holes collapsing, I wonder why they are so often portrayed as being so unstable? I've not studied the science/theory behind them, so maybe that is just inherent in them due to how they are created/constructed? Dude, if you want that Cosmos tale, PM me your email and I'll hook you up with a coupon for a free copy from Smashwords. And that goes for anybody on Swords. You guys are my pals, and I ain't out to make a buck off any of you. But before you read it, you might want to read it's short-story prequel, Valley of Despair. Now,after having said that I'd never plop a transporter in a story, danged if I didn't do so just this week in a Tarzan yarn I'm working on! But the reason I did so was because I needed its fallibility! And it worked--perfect. Or, well, imperfectly. Thanks, might take you up on the book offer. As for Tarzan, just as long you don't merge him with a fly or something
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Apr 3, 2019 8:14:07 GMT -5
Speaking of worm holes collapsing, I wonder why they are so often portrayed as being so unstable? I've not studied the science/theory behind them, so maybe that is just inherent in them due to how they are created/constructed? Dude, if you want that Cosmos tale, PM me your email and I'll hook you up with a coupon for a free copy from Smashwords. And that goes for anybody on Swords. You guys are my pals, and I ain't out to make a buck off any of you. But before you read it, you might want to read it's short-story prequel, Valley of Despair. Now,after having said that I'd never plop a transporter in a story, danged if I didn't do so just this week in a Tarzan yarn I'm working on! But the reason I did so was because I needed its fallibility! And it worked--perfect. Or, well, imperfectly. Thanks, might take you up on the book offer. As for Tarzan, just as long you don't merge him with a fly or something Tarzan and the And Men . . . Starring Jeff Goldblum as Tarzan!
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Post by charleshelm on Apr 3, 2019 19:37:32 GMT -5
Speaking of worm holes collapsing, I wonder why they are so often portrayed as being so unstable? I've not studied the science/theory behind them, so maybe that is just inherent in them due to how they are created/constructed? Last time I checked the theoretical physicists said the presence of matter in the worm hole woudl make it unstable and cause collapse...but that was a while back.
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Post by Erik on May 31, 2019 21:12:10 GMT -5
I loved The Dark Crystal when I was a kid, so I'm really looking forward to this. Looks great so far!
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Post by terryallenuk on Jun 1, 2019 13:10:54 GMT -5
NO SPOILERS : Deadwood the Movie , really well done continuation of the series. Saying nothing else yet!
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Post by Von K on Jun 1, 2019 18:28:50 GMT -5
I loved The Dark Crystal when I was a kid, so I'm really looking forward to this. Looks great so far! That CGI looks cool, like a bewildering sensorama almost as good as Avatar.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 1, 2019 20:06:28 GMT -5
Anyone check out the Deadwood movie last night? It made me want to rewatch the three seasons again. The characters are just so well done. The plot and storylines are nothing special but the cast is excellent.
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Post by terryallenuk on Jun 2, 2019 14:18:14 GMT -5
Anyone check out the Deadwood movie last night? It made me want to rewatch the three seasons again. The characters are just so well done. The plot and storylines are nothing special but the cast is excellent. Yes terrific , I'd just finished my re-watch the day before. Quite right it was the cast's performances that made it so great. Amazing they managed to get nearly_everyone_ back together after 13 years.
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Post by Erik on Jun 3, 2019 10:01:09 GMT -5
I loved The Dark Crystal when I was a kid, so I'm really looking forward to this. Looks great so far! That CGI looks cool, like a bewildering sensorama almost as good as Avatar. Agreed! And it doesn't appear too overwhelming either, since they're still using the puppets for all the characters.
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Post by Aryeh on Jan 26, 2020 23:13:16 GMT -5
Britannia season 3 confirmed: www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/21/britannia-season-3-fans-call-for-more-sky-atlantic/page/1/It's on the low budget side; I wish the characters would speak in a more archaic fashion à la Milius' Rome; that said, it is one of the most Howardian things I have ever seen. ...I am generally against Conan being adapted for TV (because TV is a family medium), but if there is someone I would trust to do a Conan adaptation for TV properly, that would certainly be Jez Butterworth. Namely, from what I saw here, Butterworth is capable of going full pagan. Possibly, he is the only one who is successful at that from all who are working in films and TV today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 12:35:40 GMT -5
The last season of Game Of Thrones was a massive turd and Vikings has been a mess since Ragnar died, so this is a welcome arrival. This season is even more bonkers than the first, but if you can tune into the British aesthetic, that's a good thing. Still, it has to be asked: if something like this can secure funding and get on air, why not a Conan series? ...... From what I have seen some of it looks good and the rest looks like a 21st century version of Carry on Cleo.
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