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Post by lordyam on Apr 2, 2018 19:35:26 GMT -5
Last Jedi had moments but tried WAY to hard to deconstruct star wars as a whole. Force Awakens had good moments too but it was TOO close to the Originals. Say what you will about the prequels they at least tried something new rather than repeating the same stuff.
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Post by kemp on Apr 12, 2018 11:20:10 GMT -5
The Last Jedi was a different sort of Star Wars movie, in some ways standing apart from the older formula, no clear cut heroics, no X Wing fighter antics and lightsaber wielding Jedi to save the day. In fact the old swash buckling kind of heroics was frowned upon, like when Admiral Holdo scolds Poe for wanting a more direct and active stance against their First Order enemies. It had obvious political overtones contemporary to our times, which I actually found amusing and entertaining at the same time, like when Finn and Rose create mayhem on that casino world by saving some horse like animals from being exploited. The rebellion was getting their butts kicked from the start, and I had to orientate myself to the ‘new way’ of doing things. I think the emphasis was more on saving your allies at the expense of going after the bad guys and taking them out ( unless going after the bad guys is a carefully planned in advance kind of thing ). The dynamic between Kylo and Rey was interesting. Snoke is a little reminiscent ( for me at least ) of Peter Cushing's Grand Moff Tarkin. I would have liked to see more of Gwendolyne Christie as Captain Phasma, but maybe not so always covered up in all that chrome trooper gear.
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 12, 2018 11:57:26 GMT -5
I wonder if JJ is a little annoyed that whatever story he said he laid for Phasma is now...well, not worth carrying out.
The one plot point of TLJ that does stick out for I think some well received criticism is the *ahem* chase sequence. It's almost as if Burt Reynolds kept the Trans-Am under the speed limit and when Sally Field asks why, "I don't want Sheriff Justice to give us a ticket." So right as Jackie Gleason would catch him, Jerry Reed and Fred would drive the truck in between so they could get away. Hal Needham would've gotten that over with in about 2 1/2 minutes, Johnson stretched it out for the bulk of the film's running time! Would it have been SOOOO bad for Diane to let them know "Yes, I have a plan." and leave it there instead of turning Poe Dameron into Fletcher Christian?
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Post by themirrorthief on Apr 13, 2018 0:48:11 GMT -5
a bit surprised to see this thread still going. A bit off the topic but sort of related is the fact that I liked some of the Star Trek comics that marvel put out in the eighties and nineties...or was it just the nineties?? The Star Wars movies will be around forever Im sure but Im afraid they have lost me although I was a pretty casual fan at best I suppose
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Post by kemp on Apr 13, 2018 9:51:37 GMT -5
The best Star Wars to date in terms of continuity ( my opinion ) was definitely Rogue One, perhaps appealing more to the older fans. Nevertheless, Star Wars :The Last Jedi, is my current favourite. At first when I started to watch it I laughed out loud and said ‘what have you done ’ , but then the concept appealed to me. It is many things, pop culture at its finest, certainly made for our times, and I can relate to that aspect, but more than that, it took chances, it was funny, philosophical, and dare I say it almost arthouse. It raked in big at the box office, and I hope this reimagining continues in the last instalment of the new trilogy. I will watch it, but for different reasons. How can I explain it……Off topic, but it was like when I read somewhere that Tarantino was interested in doing an R rated Star Trek film. What the ?? www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-screenwriterYou know you have to watch it, and if it happens you will be at the movies for it.
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Post by andys on Apr 13, 2018 11:31:01 GMT -5
Tarantino is pretty open about being a Star Trek fan, down to his "we need warp power!" dialogue he added in his polishing of the Crimson Tide script. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what he has in mind, although I think people are sensationalizing it a bit, too. He's directed TV episodes before, such as for ER and CSI, that show that he has no problems about playing nice with other people's franchises, for instance. It's not like he's going to have Spock screaming "motherf$#!er!!!" all the time while Kirk's ear is cut off.
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Post by kemp on Apr 17, 2018 8:47:19 GMT -5
George Lucas said that he wanted to find every copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special and destroy it. I watched this as a kid, but there is no way I could sit through the whole thing now.
My apologies to this forum for unleashing this on you, but this is the epitomy of boring. I think some nations wanted to use this to interrogate suspects accused of the worst crimes, but the UN has banned it because it would be just to cruel and inhumane. You will understand why after watching this.
The Star Wars Holiday Special (Complete Movie)
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Post by deuce on Apr 17, 2018 9:44:12 GMT -5
George Lucas said that he wanted to find every copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special and destroy it. I watched this as a kid, but there is no way I could sit through the whole thing now. My apologies to this forum for unleashing this on you, but this is the epitomy of boring. I think some nations wanted to use this to interrogate suspects accused of the worst crimes, but the UN has banned it because it would be just to cruel and inhumane. You will understand why after watching this. The Star Wars Holiday Special (Complete Movie) I think we'll survive. I posted it on this thread 6 months ago. The animated segment is still cool. It's amazing how much buzz it created for Boba Fett before "Empire" even came out.
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 17, 2018 9:46:56 GMT -5
Still haven't let my girlfriend's son watch it. He needs to be just a little older to fully handle it :-) As kids from the 70s, we were at least comforted when Harvey Korman and Art Carney showed up to try to make it bearable (Bea Arthur on the other hand...) He doesn't have that connection with them, so once you get past the 90 second cameos from Mark, Harrison and Carrie, there's just the Boba Fett cartoon.
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Apr 17, 2018 13:45:10 GMT -5
I just watched Last Jedi this weekend past. It looked to me they have now utilized most all the plot ideas from the original trilogy by this point.
ATAT attack on the rebel base = :: ME STARING UNBELIEVINGLY::
Did I just see that? Did they really that blatantly rip off the Hoth scene?
Maybe I missed something, though. Is it a goal of Disney's to re-tell the original story, but a little differently? Connect with all these millennials living in their mom's basements?
If so, I still prefer the original story.
If not?
Bad robot.
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 17, 2018 13:50:57 GMT -5
I just watched Last Jedi this weekend past. It looked to me they have now utilized most all the plot ideas from the original trilogy by this point. ATAT attack on the rebel base = :: ME STARING UNBELIEVINGLY:: Did I just see that? Did they really that blatantly rip off the Hoth scene? Maybe I missed something, though. Is it a goal of Disney's to re-tell the original story, but a little differently? Connect with all these millennials living in their mom's basements? If so, I still prefer the original story. If not? Bad robot. Yeah, basically, those bones have been picked and gnawed bone dry. If last film was A New Hope, this one was Empire and Jedi rolled into one, then turned on its head and inside out. Plus you get little nods to Rashomon, Guns of Navarone, Lawrence of Arabia and the Wild Bunch (and of course Mary Poppins). So once you get past the plot, you can enjoy these things.
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Apr 17, 2018 14:07:30 GMT -5
I just watched Last Jedi this weekend past. It looked to me they have now utilized most all the plot ideas from the original trilogy by this point. ATAT attack on the rebel base = :: ME STARING UNBELIEVINGLY:: Did I just see that? Did they really that blatantly rip off the Hoth scene? Maybe I missed something, though. Is it a goal of Disney's to re-tell the original story, but a little differently? Connect with all these millennials living in their mom's basements? If so, I still prefer the original story. If not? Bad robot. Yeah, basically, those bones have been picked and gnawed bone dry. If last film was A New Hope, this one was Empire and Jedi rolled into one, then turned on its head and inside out. Plus you get little nods to Rashomon, Guns of Navarone, Lawrence of Arabia and the Wild Bunch (and of course Mary Poppins). So once you get past the plot, you can enjoy these things. Was it me, or did those redesigned ATATs look like saber tooths with anthropoid arms?
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Post by themirrorthief on Apr 17, 2018 14:13:37 GMT -5
they could go a lot faster with wheels on them...but the empire dictated all tires be heavily taxed Im thinking
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Post by Char-Vell on Apr 17, 2018 15:57:27 GMT -5
I for one think the Holiday Special is great. It's a nice time capsule of a time when Star Wars was fun and full of possibilities. Just like the pre- Empire Marvel SW's comics were off-model and completely Gonzo, but entertaining as hell.
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Post by finarvyn on Apr 18, 2018 5:23:44 GMT -5
Maybe I said this in the thread already, but I don't want to re-read 9 pages just to check...
I think that the problem is that if they drift too far from what they did before folks will complain that it's "not Star Wars" but if they drift too close to what they did before folks will say they "keep recycling" material.
When I look at the prequel trilogy, for example, I find that I don't like the clonetroopers or robot soldiers as much as the classic stormtroopers from the original Star Wars. Now, I really can't say for sure if my dislike is because I don't like the prequels much or if it's because the stormtroopers really are cooler than clonetroopers. I know that they keep coming up with strange spacefighter ships that, to me, are never as cool as the X-wing. Again, is my dislike simply because they aren't ripping off their own X-wing design for other purposes, or because the new ships aren't as cool. It's hard to separate the two.
So suppose for a minute that Star Wars VII-VIII-IX removed stormtroopers, X-wings, all references to the force, didn't cast Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia, and so on. At that point it would be clear that they weren't relying on old stuff and were forced to be totally new. But would it be Star Wars just because the name was on the movie? Probably not. The trick would be to strike the RIGHT balance between old and new. I'm not sure if they have done a good job of that or not, but that would have to be the goal.
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