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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 3:27:15 GMT -5
Here's another fantastic photo of a Dukha woman by Alexander Khimushin. The Dukha are a Turkic speaking people of the Uriankhai tribe, they live in northern Mongolia and the Tuvan Republic in Russia. The Uriankhai consist of Turkic and Mongolian speaking tribes and to add a little more confusion to the mix the Yakuts also call themselves Uriankhai: Sakha Uriankhai to be correct. The great Mongol general Subutai was also from the Uriankhai tribe. Big thanks to Deuce for finding the photography of Alexander Khimushin.
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Post by kemp on Dec 26, 2019 8:19:09 GMT -5
The Yukhagir of SiberiaThe Yukhagir live mainly in the Sakha (Yakutia) republic and the Magadan Oblast in Siberia, Russia (that is remote even by Siberian standards). They are reindeer herders with a population of 1,597 of which around 600 still speak the language of their Yukhagir ancestors - most speak Russian and Yakut. Below you'll find a map from good ol' wikipedia demonstrating the extent of Yukaghir languages in the 17th (hatched) and 20th (solid) centuries: Wiki Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukaghir_languagesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukaghir_people I wonder if at some level there is a connection between the Yukaghir peoples and some of the native American peoples of North America. I also like that pic of the attractive Yukaghir woman in the beautiful traditional clothing, has a sincere quality that befits the look of the Siberian east.
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Post by kemp on Dec 26, 2019 8:36:38 GMT -5
Amazing, according to the wikipedia source there are a little over 1600 people that are designated as Yukaghir, that's quite a small population. I suppose a wider study on the indigenous peoples of Siberia would encompass Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Eskimo and the aforementioned Yukaghir speakers ( although more could be added to that list ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_SiberiaRight, here it is, something on the relationship of the indigenous peoples of the Americas to Siberia. 'Paleo-Indians from modern day Siberia are thought to have crossed into the Americas across the Beringia land bridge between 40,000-13,000 years ago. A Georgetown University study has suggested that migration across the land bridge resulted in the similarity of the North American Na-Dene languages and Siberian Yeniseian languages, uniting as the Dené–Yeniseian languages family.[21][better source needed] Analysis of genetic markers has also been used to link the two groups of indigenous peoples. Studies focused on looking at markers on the Y chromosome, which is always inherited by sons from their fathers. Haplogroup Q is a unique mutation shared among most indigenous peoples of the Americas. Studies have found that 93.8% of Siberia's Ket people's and 66.4% of Siberia's Selkup people's possess the mutation.[22] The principal-component analysis suggests a close genetic relatedness between some North American Amerindians (the Chipewyan [Ojibwe] and the Cheyenne) and certain populations of central/southern Siberia (particularly the Kets, Yakuts, Selkups, and Altays), at the resolution of major Y-chromosome haplogroups.[23] This pattern agrees with the distribution of mtDNA haplogroup X, which is found in North America, is absent from eastern Siberia, but is present in the Altais of southern central Siberia.[23] The genetic evidence points to a strong connection between Amerindians being related to indigenous people of the Altai Mountains region of Siberia.[24]' Yakuts with traditional musical instruments
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 2:21:56 GMT -5
Amazing, according to the wikipedia source there are a little over 1600 people that are designated as Yukaghir, that's quite a small population. I suppose a wider study on the indigenous peoples of Siberia would encompass Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Eskimo and the aforementioned Yukaghir speakers ( although more could be added to that list ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_SiberiaRight, here it is, something on the relationship of the indigenous peoples of the Americas to Siberia. 'Paleo-Indians from modern day Siberia are thought to have crossed into the Americas across the Beringia land bridge between 40,000-13,000 years ago. A Georgetown University study has suggested that migration across the land bridge resulted in the similarity of the North American Na-Dene languages and Siberian Yeniseian languages, uniting as the Dené–Yeniseian languages family.[21][better source needed] Analysis of genetic markers has also been used to link the two groups of indigenous peoples. Studies focused on looking at markers on the Y chromosome, which is always inherited by sons from their fathers. Haplogroup Q is a unique mutation shared among most indigenous peoples of the Americas. Studies have found that 93.8% of Siberia's Ket people's and 66.4% of Siberia's Selkup people's possess the mutation.[22] The principal-component analysis suggests a close genetic relatedness between some North American Amerindians (the Chipewyan [Ojibwe] and the Cheyenne) and certain populations of central/southern Siberia (particularly the Kets, Yakuts, Selkups, and Altays), at the resolution of major Y-chromosome haplogroups.[23] This pattern agrees with the distribution of mtDNA haplogroup X, which is found in North America, is absent from eastern Siberia, but is present in the Altais of southern central Siberia.[23] The genetic evidence points to a strong connection between Amerindians being related to indigenous people of the Altai Mountains region of Siberia.[24]' Yakuts with traditional musical instruments Thanks for the post Kemp. Yeah, the connection is fascinating and is widely encouraged in the Turkish Republic mainly inspired in recent years by this book - it has been reprinted several times: The Turks and American Indians: Are the Indians of Turkish origin? The 20 year project by Ataturk by Reha Oguz Turkkan.The conclusions are ridiculous; full of pseudo-linguistics with words from different indigenous language groups scrunched together that coincidentally sound similar to some Turkic words - some of it's so silly that the Turkic word utilised to demonstrate the connection turns out to be a relatively modern loan word from Arabic or Persian. One example, according to this theory, when the ancient Turkic tribes encountered the Amazon River they were astounded by the length of the Amazon river and said Ama Uzun, Ama translates as but/yet and Uzun as long So it's kinda like saying wow that's a long river, Ama Uzun d'ya get it? According to historians like Turkkan even the Sumerians, Hittites and Etruscans were of Turkic origin and creators of all of these early civilisations. Of course they were eventually linguistically and culturally assimilated by their respective subjects and conveniently forgot their Turkic/Altaic origins. A quick search online and you will also find very similar Youtube videos and websites from Hungary. Interestingly, the Hungarians have observer status in the Turkic Council and expect to become a full member of Turkic Council in the near future. Here's a book I read years ago. In this book Ethel G. Stewart states that the ancestors of the Na-Dené people fled Central Asia after the destruction of the Tangut kingdom by the Mongol hordes in 1227AD! Ethel G. Stewart, The Dene and Na-Dene Indian Migrations 1233 A.D. : Escape from Genghis Khan to America, 1991 There is probably a certain amount of truth to a later migration of the Dene(Athapaskan) speakers to North America - I'd imagine way before the rise of Genghis Khan. The connections between Yeniseian Kets of Siberia and the Na-Dené languages of North America is explored in a more realistic manner by Dr. Edward Vadja. The Peopling of the Americas and the Dene-Yeniseian Connection by Dr. Edward Vague
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Post by kemp on Dec 27, 2019 9:42:02 GMT -5
Amazing, according to the wikipedia source there are a little over 1600 people that are designated as Yukaghir, that's quite a small population. I suppose a wider study on the indigenous peoples of Siberia would encompass Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Eskimo and the aforementioned Yukaghir speakers ( although more could be added to that list ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_SiberiaRight, here it is, something on the relationship of the indigenous peoples of the Americas to Siberia. 'Paleo-Indians from modern day Siberia are thought to have crossed into the Americas across the Beringia land bridge between 40,000-13,000 years ago. A Georgetown University study has suggested that migration across the land bridge resulted in the similarity of the North American Na-Dene languages and Siberian Yeniseian languages, uniting as the Dené–Yeniseian languages family.[21][better source needed] Analysis of genetic markers has also been used to link the two groups of indigenous peoples. Studies focused on looking at markers on the Y chromosome, which is always inherited by sons from their fathers. Haplogroup Q is a unique mutation shared among most indigenous peoples of the Americas. Studies have found that 93.8% of Siberia's Ket people's and 66.4% of Siberia's Selkup people's possess the mutation.[22] The principal-component analysis suggests a close genetic relatedness between some North American Amerindians (the Chipewyan [Ojibwe] and the Cheyenne) and certain populations of central/southern Siberia (particularly the Kets, Yakuts, Selkups, and Altays), at the resolution of major Y-chromosome haplogroups.[23] This pattern agrees with the distribution of mtDNA haplogroup X, which is found in North America, is absent from eastern Siberia, but is present in the Altais of southern central Siberia.[23] The genetic evidence points to a strong connection between Amerindians being related to indigenous people of the Altai Mountains region of Siberia.[24]' Yakuts with traditional musical instruments Thanks for the post Kemp. Yeah, the connection is fascinating and is widely encouraged in the Turkish Republic mainly inspired in recent years by this book - it has been reprinted several times: The Turks and American Indians: Are the Indians of Turkish origin? The 20 year project by Ataturk by Reha Oguz Turkkan.The conclusions are ridiculous; full of pseudo-linguistics with words from different indigenous language groups scrunched together that coincidentally sound similar to some Turkic words - some of it's so silly that the Turkic word utilised to demonstrate the connection turns out to be a relatively modern loan word from Arabic or Persian. One example, according to this theory, when the ancient Turkic tribes migration led to the Amazon river they were astounded by the length of the Amazon river and said Ama Uzun, Ama translates as but/yet and Uzun as long So it's kinda like saying wow that's a long river, Ama Uzun d'ya get it? According to historians like Turkkan even the Sumerians, Hittites and Etruscans were of Turkic origin and creators of all of these early civilisations. Of course they were eventually linguistically and culturally assimilated by their respective subjects and conveniently forgot their Turkic/Altaic origins. A quick search online and you will also find very similar Youtube videos and websites from Hungary. Interestingly, the Hungarians have observer status in the Turkic Council and expect to become a full member of Turkic Council in the near future. Here's a book I read years ago. In this book Ethel G. Stewart states that the ancestors of the Na-Dené people fled Central Asia after the destruction of the Tangut kingdom by the Mongol hordes in 1227AD! Ethel G. Stewart, The Dene and Na-Dene Indian Migrations 1233 A.D. : Escape from Genghis Khan to America, 1991 There is probably a certain amount of truth to a later migration of the Dene(Athapaskan) speakers to North America - I'd imagine way before the rise of Genghis Khan. The connections between Yeniseian Kets of Siberia and the Na-Dené languages of North America is explored in a more realistic manner by Dr. Edward Vadja. The Peopling of the Americas and the Dene-Yeniseian Connection by Dr. Edward VagueI wouldn't knock the Turks too much about it, that pseudo historical analysis seems to be a favourite pastime in a number of European nations, so not surprised that some Turkish writer adopted the practise in their own writings to make wild conclusions based on a few word extrapolations. Similar to some of the lost tribe of Israel guys trying to make ridiculous connections between Isaac sons and Saxons ( Saac sons ). My take on the relationship between the original native American and northern Siberian people is that there was a connection by way of the early crossings over the land bridge that connected Siberia to North America at one time, but that was so long ago that I don't think anyone can draw any 'direct' relationship between the Turks or the Kets ( youtube you supplied ) and native Americans. Obviously, there seem to be some commonalities, especially with the Yeniselan Kets. From the little I have read on the subject it seems that many of the modern day Kets have been assimilated with the various Turkic peoples. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ket_peopleKhanty family
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 15:45:36 GMT -5
Looks like an interesting book - coulda been a little more imaginative with the cover. Edited by Xiao Li, Non-Han Literature Along the Silk Road (Silk Road Research Series (SRRS), Springer; 1st ed. 2020 edition (April 2, 2020)
Description: This volume includes outstanding scientific articles on documents written in ancient languages such as Tocharian, Sogdian, Khotanese, and Old Uyghur. Its chief aims are to contribute to the present state of research by adding essential findings on newly discovered historical documents; to present a multi-dimensional investigation of diverse aspects including the history, religion, art, literature, and social life along the Silk Road; and to outline potential future research directions for non-Han literature studies and inspire research into other aspects, such as economics and comparative studies.About the Author (editor) Dr. Xiao Li, a professor at the School of Chinese Classics, Renmin University of China, has participated in archaeological fieldwork and pursued extensive research on the prehistoric and historical periods in northwestern China and Central Asia. With his outstanding experience, both in fieldwork and theoretical research, he has considerable expertise in the archaeology and history of Xinjiang, the origin and development of the central Asian civilizations, and the modes of interactions between Xinjiang and Central Asia. Link: www.amazon.com/Non-Han-Literature-Along-Silk-Research/dp/9811396434
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 14:15:53 GMT -5
Pour yourself some Kumiz, relax and listen to the words of Bilge Kaghan of the Türük Empire (Göktürk).
The Orkhon Inscriptions // Göktürk Primary Source // Bilgä Qaghan (683 - 734)
Description: After the Huns, before the Mongols, the Second Turkic Qhaganate ruled the Steppe.
Here we have an extract from an ancient memorial stone found in the very centre of Mongolia, The Orkon Valley. The entire inscription speaks of the legendary origins of the Turks, and gives us the first recorded example of Turkic script in history.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 0:44:37 GMT -5
Some throat singing from Tuva, Russia
Teve-Khaya (translates as Camel rock or mountain) by Alexey Khovalyg.
Ayalgam-dyr (translates as My Melody)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:55:13 GMT -5
A new series on Netflix based on Mehmet the Conqueror and the Conquest of Constantinople:
Rise of Empires: Ottoman
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Post by thedarkman on Jan 28, 2020 17:49:26 GMT -5
A new series on Netflix based on Mehmet the Conqueror and the Conquest of Constantinople: Rise of Empires: Ottoman I’ve watched the first four episodes, and I’ve really enjoyed it so far. The scripted portions have high production standards and good acting.
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Post by buxom9sorceress on Jan 28, 2020 17:54:19 GMT -5
Tomb of the Silver DragonsArkhangai, Mongolia By ERIC A. POWELL January/February 2020 (Ren Xiao) Gilded silver dragon figuresIn north-central Mongolia, archaeologists have unearthed two lavish tombs built for nobles of the Xiongnu Empire. A nomadic people who dominated the eastern Eurasian steppes from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D., the Xiongnu frequently waged war against China’s Han Dynasty (206 B.C.– A.D. 220). To defend against these incursions, the Han built fortifications that eventually became part of the Great Wall. Both of the Xiongnu tombs, which were excavated by a team from Ulaanbaatar University and the Henan Provincial Institute of Cultural Heritage and Archaeology, contained sumptuous grave goods. In the larger tomb, researchers found wooden boxes that held silver rings, jade belt hooks, and a pair of gilded silver dragons that may once have served as handles on a vessel. The smaller tomb contained the remains of a man buried with a horse-drawn carriage, 15 horse heads, and 19 silver equestrian ornaments, each depicting a unicorn deity. The team also recovered part of a jade-decorated sword from this grave, the first to be found in a Xiongnu tomb. (Nie Fan) Unicorn equestrian ornamentSource: www.archaeology.org/issues/364-2001/features/8248-mongolia-xiongnu-tomb great news. many thanks for all your posts.
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Post by kemp on Jan 29, 2020 7:39:53 GMT -5
A new series on Netflix based on Mehmet the Conqueror and the Conquest of Constantinople: Rise of Empires: Ottoman Looks better than most of the stuff they are playing on Netflix. Worth checking out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:20:12 GMT -5
Tomb of the Silver DragonsArkhangai, Mongolia By ERIC A. POWELL January/February 2020 (Ren Xiao) Gilded silver dragon figuresIn north-central Mongolia, archaeologists have unearthed two lavish tombs built for nobles of the Xiongnu Empire. A nomadic people who dominated the eastern Eurasian steppes from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D., the Xiongnu frequently waged war against China’s Han Dynasty (206 B.C.– A.D. 220). To defend against these incursions, the Han built fortifications that eventually became part of the Great Wall. Both of the Xiongnu tombs, which were excavated by a team from Ulaanbaatar University and the Henan Provincial Institute of Cultural Heritage and Archaeology, contained sumptuous grave goods. In the larger tomb, researchers found wooden boxes that held silver rings, jade belt hooks, and a pair of gilded silver dragons that may once have served as handles on a vessel. The smaller tomb contained the remains of a man buried with a horse-drawn carriage, 15 horse heads, and 19 silver equestrian ornaments, each depicting a unicorn deity. The team also recovered part of a jade-decorated sword from this grave, the first to be found in a Xiongnu tomb. (Nie Fan) Unicorn equestrian ornamentSource: www.archaeology.org/issues/364-2001/features/8248-mongolia-xiongnu-tomb great news. many thanks for all your posts. Thanks Bux.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:22:14 GMT -5
A new series on Netflix based on Mehmet the Conqueror and the Conquest of Constantinople: Rise of Empires: Ottoman I’ve watched the first four episodes, and I’ve really enjoyed it so far. The scripted portions have high production standards and good acting. Thanks for the info Darkman. I'll probably watch this after episodes 4-7 of the Witcher.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 0:35:07 GMT -5
Newly Found Stakes Prompt Fresh Look At Vietnam's Defeat Of The MongolsBy Giang Chinh The wooden stakes used in the legendary ‘Battle of Bach Dang’ in 1288, found in northern Hai Phong City last Wednesday, have opened a new direction for research into the battle.
Excavations on a 950-square-meter site uncovered several ironwood poles in the Cao Quy rice field, Lien Khe Commune, Thuy Nguyen District. Archeologists said this is a large-scale, important finding relating to the Tran Dynasty’s famous Bach Dang Battle against an invasion by Mongolia’s Yuan Dynasty. Well-known historian Le Van Lan noted the discovery might show that the 1288 battle was actually a three-phase operation instead of an isolated river battle as previously thought. "The first phase was the launch of soldiers to exhaust the enemies’ resources and strength. Phase two involved Vietnamese soldiers blocking the Mongolian fleet from taking a shortcut via creeks, forcing them to go to the Bach Dang River. Phase three was the historic Bang Dang Battle." The stakes found at the Cao Quy rice field could be instrumental in phase two. The stakes are made of ironwood, teak and other species. Those found in Cao Quy are said to be much larger and demonstrate evenly sharpened trunks, unlike smaller and pointier ones found at Quang Yen Town in Quang Ninh Province, 15 kilometers away. The stake yard in Quang Ninh was first discovered in 1953 when locals were building a dyke. It was officially recognized as one of Vietnam’s historic vestiges in 1998.
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