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Post by KiramidHead on May 11, 2017 11:29:26 GMT -5
Nope, sadly not.
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Post by BlackHeart on May 11, 2017 14:01:54 GMT -5
Me neither. Like it doesnt exist.
Enyway, I find where I read about Boaz Yakin take on Conan. I quote:
Warner Bros. Pictures has commissioned Boaz Yakin (The Rookie, Remember the Titans) to write the script for a motion picture based on the character Conan the Barbarian created by Robert E. Howard. The studio intends to ready the script for an early 2007 start.
"We are excited about working with Boaz and Paradox Entertainment to create what will be a successful and innovative series of motion pictures," said Jeff Robinov, President of Production, Warner Bros. Pictures.
Warner Bros. plans on releasing the film later in 2007.
Of course, this is prety much it. No clues,no more information, no script, no nothing. I wonder what they had in mind, do.
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Post by Aryeh on May 21, 2017 12:09:03 GMT -5
Yeah, "King Conan: Crown of Iron" second draft seems to be safely locked in Fort Knox or something like that, since there is no trace of it anywhere.
I wonder if the second draft dispenses with the sequel that the first draft is promising? Namely, first draft ends with: "to be concluded...", and then it announces "King Conan: Beneath My Sandaled Feet". I suppose that Milius had at least a synopsis for that one...
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Regarding the subject of this thread -- "Conan Unmade" -- I guess we can now add probably two more written sequels which will not be filmed: 1.) Andrea Berloff's rewriting of David Gemmell's "Legend" (supposedly, her "Legend of Conan" script was based on that non-Conan novel); 2.) Will Beall's script also for "Legend of Conan", but with Conan who is still a king, as opposed to "Legend" story where the protagonist is at a stage in life where he left it all behind himself and is now a hermit in the woods, etc.
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Post by BlackHeart on May 22, 2017 0:34:57 GMT -5
I think u re right, friend. Acording to Arnold & co, this project "still lives", there is even some words about 2019 release, but this seems to me like its swan song. I would love to read it, though. REH or no REH, i doubt not it could've been good S&S movie.
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Post by KiramidHead on Apr 13, 2018 12:03:06 GMT -5
Alright, bit of an announcement to make: I just recently, within the past week and a half, acquired two different unmade Conan scripts. One is a draft of Legend of Conan by Will Beall, dated November 6, 2015. The other is the Boaz Yakin script mentioned above, titled Conan of Cimmeria, dated June 1, 2006. Now, I want to be very, very clear that I will not be sharing the scripts themselves, as my source asked me not to, but I'm open to answering any questions about them. So, ask away, and I'll get on them.
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Post by Aryeh on Apr 13, 2018 13:19:03 GMT -5
Alright, bit of an announcement to make: I just recently, within the past week and a half, acquired two different unmade Conan scripts. One is a draft of Legend of Conan by Will Beall, dated November 6, 2015. The other is the Boaz Yakin script mentioned above, titled Conan of Cimmeria, dated June 1, 2006. Now, I want to be very, very clear that I will not be sharing the scripts themselves, as my source asked me not to, but I'm open to answering any questions about them. So, ask away, and I'll get on them. Well... Lucky you Seriously, glad you got to read them. Some questions (will probably have more): 1. Are they good? Did you like them? Which one's better? Which one's more fun? Which one has more fantasy and challenging themes? 2.1. Is Legend of Conan by Will Beall based on David Gemmell's "Legend"? 2.2. If 'Yes', Conan is obviously taking the place of Druss. Is Conan fighting some barbarian horde, the same way Druss is in the novel? Also, is Conan getting Valeria in the end? Are there more connections to the Milius Conan movie? 3. Is "Conan of Cimmeria" by Boaz Yakin based on a REH story? If 'yes', which one? If 'no', then can you say what it is about?
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Post by KiramidHead on Apr 13, 2018 14:07:30 GMT -5
1. I thought both were fairly good, but each had certain issues. I actually preferred Yakin's script by a fair bit. That one has more fantasy and more themes, and really gets into the nitty gritty of the decadence and corruption of civilization. Legend had some very good bits, but certain things didn't work, and the connections to the 1982 film were a bit baffling.
2.1. It's labelled as being based on Gemmell's Legend on the cover page.
2.2. I haven't read that book yet, but yes, Conan is fighting against a barbarian horde. Valeria doesn't even warrant a mention, and while we're on that, neither does Subotai. The Wizard gets a very, very brief and fleeting mention. There are connections to Milius' film, though:
-It opens with Conan on the throne in Aquilonia, recreating the final shot of the original. He abandons the throne after one too many assassination attempts, and lives in the wilderness near where his old village used to be.
-The main threat is a horde led by Thugra Khan, an acolyte of Thulsa Doom who is marching on Shadizar to destroy the city and King Osric (who plays a major supporting role) for their part in Doom's fall.
-It's also later revealed that Thugra Khan is Doom's son, who was watching when Conan killed him, and he wants to retrieve the Eye of the Serpent (which is hidden in Shadizar and not with Conan for reasons that are never fully explained)and use its magic to resurrect his father. Doom briefly cameos as a spirit, his face formed from slithering snakes.
-There are a few references to music cues, including one particularly cool nod to Anvil of Crom near the end. There are also more than a few cases of recycled dialogue, which range from reasonable to cringey.
3. Conan of Cimmeria is based on a few Howard stories, one De Camp/Carter story, and is wrapped around a central plot that's original. It specifically draws major elements from The Frost Giant's Daughter and The Tower of the Elephant, with looser influence from Rogues in the House and A Witch Shall Be Born. It also adapts The Thing in the Crypt, but the corpse comes to life here and fights Conan.
The overall plot is built around the Red Priest Nabodinus (that's how Yakin spells it), who is looking to subjugate all of Hyboria (Yakin's terminology, not mine) under a theocracy that only recognizes Mitra as truly divine. The different Howard elements are woven in pretty well, forming a coherent narrative.
It's also worth mentioning that Conan is not given an origin story as such here, and is first seen fighting Heimdul in Vanaheim. We hear about how he fought at Venarium, and that he had to leave Cimmeria because his chief put a price on his head, but we never see Cimmeria or other Cimmerians.
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Post by Aryeh on Apr 13, 2018 14:41:21 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks, KiramidHead! It is great to finally hear something about these!
I'd like to ask regarding the Yakin script, if Yag Kosha is in there, and maybe even other planets (like planet Yag mentioned in 'TSC')? Also, is there a special sword, like in the Milius film? If not, is there any other special artifact à la Heart of Ahriman or similar?
Now, some random comments I can't resist writing down:
- Strange they don't have Valeria in 'Legend of Conan', especially since the Eye of the Serpent can be used for resurrection, and that resurrection of Valeria was a motif in 'Conan the Destroyer'.
- I always thought Thulsa Doom cannot have children, like the immortals in 'Highlander'.
- I am glad to hear Boaz Yakin did that with the Mitra cult -- made it into a threat of theocracy. I always thought that sort of thing is exactly what was lacking the Milius' version, because the Thulsa Doom snake cult is there only an exception and not a rule, and therefore it doesn't show real threat that comes from civilization. This script sounds very promising, judging from what you said here.
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Post by KiramidHead on Apr 13, 2018 14:52:27 GMT -5
Yag Kosha is there, and his big speech to Conan is almost identical, complete with the mention of Yag. Things around him are played a bit differently, but he's pretty faithfully translated. Conan finds a sword in the crypt, and it's mentioned as being the "Sword of Kingship". Olgerd explains that it belonged to Tamuz, the first king of Zamora, and was given to him by Kull as a token of friendship. It doesn't really do anything special, though, and Nabodinus mocks the significance applied to it in the finale before breaking it. Not that that matters, since Conan has it at the end without explanation. Also, the Heart of the Elephant plays a major role, with Nabodinus trying to acquire it and raising hell in Shadizar to make people find it for him.
They do mention another past romance of Conan's in the Legend script, but it kind of screws with continuity.
My gripe with Yakin's treatment of Mitra is that the god is treated as something new, attempting replace the established pantheon. And Nabodinus outright states near the end that he created Mitra out of whole cloth as a means to subjugate people. It doesn't quite jive with Howard to me, and would have been better if a different god were chosen, IMO.
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Post by Aryeh on Apr 13, 2018 15:03:42 GMT -5
Yag Kosha is there, and his big speech to Conan is almost identical, complete with the mention of Yag. Things around him are played a bit differently, but he's pretty faithfully translated. Conan finds a sword in the crypt, and it's mentioned as being the "Sword of Kingship". Olgerd explains that it belonged to Tamuz, the first king of Zamora, and was given to him by Kull as a token of friendship. It doesn't really do anything special, though, and Nabodinus mocks the significance applied to it in the finale before breaking it. Not that that matters, since Conan has it at the end without explanation. Also, the Heart of the Elephant plays a major role, with Nabodinus trying to acquire it and raising hell in Shadizar to make people find it for him. They do mention another past romance of Conan's in the Legend script, but it kind of screws with continuity. My gripe with Yakin's treatment of Mitra is that the god is treated as something new, attempting replace the established pantheon. And Nabodinus outright states near the end that he created Mitra out of whole cloth as a means to subjugate people. It doesn't quite jive with Howard to me, and would have been better if a different god were chosen, IMO. Thanks! I hope you'll also do a podcast on this, and I look forward to others asking something interesting, something I couldn't think of right now.
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Post by KiramidHead on Apr 13, 2018 15:11:31 GMT -5
I may do another Conan episode down the line. I did skip over those early drafts of the reboot, and I'm still hoping against hope I can find that Crown of Iron rewrite, since everybody who had it doesn't anymore, and no one else has it period.
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Post by BlackHeart on Apr 16, 2018 8:36:27 GMT -5
Interesting...
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Post by KiramidHead on Aug 14, 2018 18:20:34 GMT -5
Thought this would be interesting, there's a copy of the original Roy Thomas/Edward Summer treatment from 1977 on file at the Margaret Herrick Library.
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Post by Aryeh on Aug 15, 2018 18:45:58 GMT -5
Thought this would be interesting, there's a copy of the original Roy Thomas/Edward Summer treatment from 1977 on file at the Margaret Herrick Library.
It would certainly make an interesting read. Now, because it is only 77 pages long, I'd say there are small chances this one was ever meant to be anything else except 1st draft, meaning, ambitions were not high regarding this one.
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Post by themirrorthief on Aug 15, 2018 19:46:26 GMT -5
if anyone in the film business had a snippet of a brain they would just do a film based on one of the early Conan comics by Thomas and Smith...great stories, the visuals already drawn, Conan portrayed like Howard wanted him IMO I mean, jeez its all there already, just build the sets, get an interesting Conan and start filming already...Thomas and Smith freaking nailed it...whats the problem???
Besides, I dont recall in any of Howards tales that Conan was a bodybuilder...although Howard was and they claim Conan and Howard were one in the same
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