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Post by deuce on May 21, 2016 19:47:41 GMT -5
I agree about the similarities between Francis X. Gordon and Indiana Jones, though Indy has Doc Savage influences too. I would love to see an El Borak movie. FXG is my second favorite REH character, behind Sailor Steve Costigan. Joe Thoms I'm curious as to what "Doc Savage influences" you detect. I'm a huge FXG fan.
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Post by joethoms on May 25, 2016 12:08:04 GMT -5
Raiders of the Lost Ark could have easily been a Doc Savage 1930s era adventure like The Thousand Headed Man. It is a larger than life story involving potential treasure or a sacred totem to recover. While Indy does not have a cadre of aides like Doc's Fabulous Five, Dr. Indiana Jones is a man of letters, like Dr. Clark Savage, Jr.
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Post by kullagain on Mar 14, 2017 21:49:50 GMT -5
With "Alien Covenant" coming out, and re-reading about the winged race of painfully ancient times in QotBC, I can't help but think of how much the engineers of "Promethues" resemble the winged ones and their descent:
Both built and maintained old, magnificent civilizations with magic/technology beyond the ken of men. The descent of both only really spiraled with the introduction of a black liquid in their environment (in QotBC, it's obviously oil and it's all a metaphor for the corruption of communities by the boom of oil). Both are even capable of turning humans into subservient beasts!
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Post by deuce on Mar 29, 2017 17:13:16 GMT -5
Frank Miller thought of his Sin City character, Marv, as "Conan in a trench coat": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_(Sin_City)#PersonalityI have to say that I don't see it entirely; not REH's Conan, at least. More like Esau Cairn or Cormac FitzGeoffrey. But whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 18:03:39 GMT -5
Frank Miller thought of his Sin City character, Marv, as "Conan in a trench coat": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_(Sin_City)#PersonalityI have to say that I don't see it entirely; not REH's Conan, at least. More like Esau Cairn or Cormac FitzGeoffrey. But whatever. I agree, Marv's more Esau Cairn than Conan. I remember reading this page in Sin City: A Dame to Kill For. '... had the rotten luck of being born at the wrong time in history... He'd be right at home on some ancient battlefield, swinging an ax into somebody's face.'
I must of read Almuric round about the same time cos the above description of Marv reminded me of the description of Esau Cairn below. Many men are born outside their century; Esau Cairn was born outside his epoch. Neither a moron nor a low-class primitive, possessing a mind well above the average, he was, nevertheless, distinctly out of place in the modern age. I never knew a man of intelligence so littlefitted for adjustment in a machine-made civilization.
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Post by neilnv2 on Mar 30, 2017 9:26:13 GMT -5
rehsongcycle.com/wild_horses_outtake This also fits REH's picture of cowboys, I would have thought. Not just REH but many films, such as The Misfits (1961). The end of the era of irrational intelligence.
There is a mythical element to this I think is worth going into - see link (see also next Outtake due shortly)
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 27, 2017 12:50:41 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the right thread for this, by it here's something that pops up in my mind from time to time:
From Xuthal of the Dusk:
From the black shadows came sounds, incomprehensible and blood-freezing. She heard Thalis's voice pleading frenziedly, but no voice answered. There was no sound except the Stygian's panting voice, which suddenly rose to screams of agony, and then broke in hysterical laughter, mingled with sobs. This dwindled to a convulsive panting, and presently this too ceased, and a silence more terrible hovered over the secret corridor.
This sounds similar to what Ripley hears over the intercom while Lambert is being killed by the Xenomorph in Alien.
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Post by kullagain on Aug 14, 2017 22:00:09 GMT -5
From Xuthal of the Dusk: snip This is going to sound insane, but I actually got a strong XotD vibe flavor from Don't Breathe. But I see the Alien scream as well .
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Post by kullagain on Aug 14, 2017 22:04:31 GMT -5
From Moon of Skulls "The steams of the rotting jungle vegetation floated up to him as tangible as a thick fog, and making a wry face he strode away from the cliff, heading boldly across the plateau, sword in one hand and pistol in the other." Not tropical, but still:
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Post by zarono on Aug 15, 2017 5:46:14 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the right thread for this, by it here's something that pops up in my mind from time to time: From Xuthal of the Dusk: From the black shadows came sounds, incomprehensible and blood-freezing. She heard Thalis's voice pleading frenziedly, but no voice answered. There was no sound except the Stygian's panting voice, which suddenly rose to screams of agony, and then broke in hysterical laughter, mingled with sobs. This dwindled to a convulsive panting, and presently this too ceased, and a silence more terrible hovered over the secret corridor. This sounds similar to what Ripley hears over the intercom while Lambert is being killed by the Xenomorph in Alien. Could be an inspiration, Alien screenwriter Dan O'Bannon was a big Lovecraft fan so he could have read some REH in those days. It's a an effective scene for sure in both Xuthal and Alien, maybe some future film adaptation of Conan will include some focus on the horror elements of the Hyborian Age.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 15, 2017 7:36:45 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the right thread for this, by it here's something that pops up in my mind from time to time: From Xuthal of the Dusk: From the black shadows came sounds, incomprehensible and blood-freezing. She heard Thalis's voice pleading frenziedly, but no voice answered. There was no sound except the Stygian's panting voice, which suddenly rose to screams of agony, and then broke in hysterical laughter, mingled with sobs. This dwindled to a convulsive panting, and presently this too ceased, and a silence more terrible hovered over the secret corridor. This sounds similar to what Ripley hears over the intercom while Lambert is being killed by the Xenomorph in Alien. Could be an inspiration, Alien screenwriter Dan O'Bannon was a big Lovecraft fan so he could have read some REH in those days. It's a an effective scene for sure in both Xuthal and Alien, maybe some future film adaptation of Conan will include some focus on the horror elements of the Hyborian Age. I don't have much hope for a really great Conan film, which is sad when you consider all they need to do is a relatively faithful adaption of Beyond the Black River. Plenty of horror in that one, by Tarim!
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 15, 2017 7:38:50 GMT -5
From Xuthal of the Dusk: snip This is going to sound insane, but I actually got a strong XotD vibe flavor from Don't Breathe. But I see the Alien scream as well . I need to see that one, I like what I've heard about it.
That last Rambo movie was Howardian as #### IMO.
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Post by kullagain on Aug 15, 2017 20:42:35 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the right thread for this, by it here's something that pops up in my mind from time to time: From Xuthal of the Dusk: From the black shadows came sounds, incomprehensible and blood-freezing. She heard Thalis's voice pleading frenziedly, but no voice answered. There was no sound except the Stygian's panting voice, which suddenly rose to screams of agony, and then broke in hysterical laughter, mingled with sobs. This dwindled to a convulsive panting, and presently this too ceased, and a silence more terrible hovered over the secret corridor. This sounds similar to what Ripley hears over the intercom while Lambert is being killed by the Xenomorph in Alien. Could be an inspiration, Alien screenwriter Dan O'Bannon was a big Lovecraft fan so he could have read some REH in those days. It's a an effective scene for sure in both Xuthal and Alien, maybe some future film adaptation of Conan will include some focus on the horror elements of the Hyborian Age. Curious you say that as Walter Hill rewrote the script not "largely" but changed in some super significant ways. I say it's curious cause another thread on here speculates that Hill was quite the Howard fan, judging by his inclusion of "RE Howard" on the macguffin list of the his film "Bullet to the head" which starred Momoa and climaxed in an axe battle between him and Stallone. Hill was also one of the main producers of the film (and all of the franchise actually). I'm pretty sure his script and Schlock O'Bannon's did not include that death for Lambert though, pretty sure it was improvised on set as the tale going up the leg that precedes it is actually the leg of Brent when the Alien makes its first full grown appearance. But with Hill there and Lambert at one point being intended to literally die from fright in a locker in one of the scripts, I think it's not too stretched to ascribe the scene to Hill's input. "The way the death was written plays out lame you say Ridley, well how about something like this scene from a nice little story I read once..." Ridley himself strikes me more as an REH head himself rather than a Lovecraft groupie, so he may have been the one to propose it, though that claim obviously is less firmly based.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 16, 2017 6:30:56 GMT -5
Curious you say that as Walter Hill rewrote the script not "largely" but changed in some super significant ways. I say it's curious cause another thread on here speculates that Hill was quite the Howard fan, judging by his inclusion of "RE Howard" on the macguffin list of the his film "Bullet to the head" which starred Momoa and climaxed in an axe battle between him and Stallone. Hill was also one of the main producers of the film (and all of the franchise actually). I'm pretty sure his script and Schlock O'Bannon's did not include that death for Lambert though, pretty sure it was improvised on set as the tale going up the leg that precedes it is actually the leg of Brent when the Alien makes its first full grown appearance. But with Hill there and Lambert at one point being intended to literally die from fright in a locker in one of the scripts, I think it's not too stretched to ascribe the scene to Hill's input. "The way the death was written plays out lame you say Ridley, well how about something like this scene from a nice little story I read once..." Ridley himself strikes me more as an REH head himself rather than a Lovecraft groupie, so he may have been the one to propose it, though that claim obviously is less firmly based. I'd not heard about the intent to have Lambert die of fright, that would have been odd. Good info there sir!
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Post by kullagain on Apr 9, 2022 22:37:33 GMT -5
www.mtv.com/news/2429805/neil-marshall-responds-to-conan-movie-rumors/There is no way Neil Marshal, who claims not be very familiar with Conan because “he’s not that into comics” is insane, and an insulting lie. Centurion and The Descent are CLEAR AS DAY inspired by Bran Mak Morn tales, his work on GOT shows his appreciation of the Howardian DNA in that show, because GRRM was even man enough to admit that Conan stories had their share of influence on him. I haven’t seen Dog Soldiers or the new Hellboy but the premises for those sound at the least slightly Howardian. Hellboy comics by Mignola I know were plenty influenced by Howard.
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