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Post by johnnypt on Feb 15, 2019 9:07:16 GMT -5
Okay, about the pirate's look: Howard describes Conan wearing a tricorn hat and a Long John Silver coat in Black Stranger*,so those pirates in the comic are REH accurate. *(I got slapped down on the old forum for suggesting his garb should be imagined as something more esoteric and "hyborian", and presenting a drawing of such.) I always have a hard time picturing it, basically Conan looking like Captain Morgan, but that's exactly how he's described. If I were to do a live action adaptation, I'd tone it down but for a comic version, it's legit.
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Post by Char-Vell on Feb 15, 2019 9:15:57 GMT -5
Okay, about the pirate's look: Howard describes Conan wearing a tricorn hat and a Long John Silver coat in Black Stranger*,so those pirates in the comic are REH accurate. *(I got slapped down on the old forum for suggesting his garb should be imagined as something more esoteric and "hyborian", and presenting a drawing of such.) I always have a hard time picturing it, basically Conan looking like Captain Morgan, but that's exactly how he's described. If I were to do a live action adaptation, I'd tone it down but for a comic version, it's legit. ok..not specifically tricorne: "The stranger was as tall as either of the freebooters, and more powerfully built than either, yet for all his size he moved with pantherish suppleness in his high, flaring-topped boots. His thighs were cased in close-fitting breeches of white silk, his wide-skirted sky-blue coat open to reveal an open-necked white silken shirt beneath, and the scarlet sash that girdled his waist. There were silver acorn-shaped buttons on the coat, and it was adorned with gilt-worked cuffs and pocket-flaps, and a satin collar. A lacquered hat completed a costume obsolete by nearly a hundred years. A heavy cutlass hung at the wearer's hip."
One could devise an exotic fantasy costume that jibes with that description, but yeah, pretty much Captain Morgan...
or Adam Ant.
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Post by kemp on Feb 15, 2019 9:36:12 GMT -5
Amazing, waited almost a quarter of a century for Marvel’s SSOC to hit the stands once again. The comic vendor agreed with me that SSOC should have been in black and white and magazine format.
Great Alex Ross cover art, not that it had much to do with what was inside, but that was also the case with many of the covers of the original SSOC, and that was ok by me.
The art by Ron Garney wasn’t as ‘sketchy’ as I feared it might be. It was passable. Like some of the people, I was pleased to see the return of the ‘AAEEEEIII’.
The story, script and narrative was good. So long since I have seen the Swords & Scrolls, and I know the letters will be pouring in, and some legends out there will still hand write the letters in. The flintlock gun didn’t bother me all that much, but It was a sign of laziness on the part of the artist ( escaped editing ).
The problem is that the format is the same as CtB. It doesn’t stand out for me. It’s not different in any fundamental way to CtB. Same size, colour interior, same amount of pages and a novella ( should be some comic back story ).
It’s not SSOC, it's not a mag. I pick up one of my old SSOC’s and compare it with the new SSOC and it is different. The original was a magazine, this one is a comic, it is also not fully fleshed out like the original was.
This one has too many ads, about 30 pages of story. The old SSOC had something like 45 pages for the main story, and 12 or so for the second feature. I would rather one issue per month of the old SSOC styled format as opposed to paying for the new SSOC every two weeks.
If you hold the new SSOC up against CtB it is exactly the same size. The promise of a new enemy and beautiful and mysterious adventurer is not enough to hook me in, not even the novella ‘The shadow of Vengeance’.
This time around will give SSOC a pass and stick with CtB.
Having said that, it was still a fun read with good art and story, just not for me.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 15, 2019 9:52:07 GMT -5
I always have a hard time picturing it, basically Conan looking like Captain Morgan, but that's exactly how he's described. If I were to do a live action adaptation, I'd tone it down but for a comic version, it's legit. ok..not specifically tricorne: "The stranger was as tall as either of the freebooters, and more powerfully built than either, yet for all his size he moved with pantherish suppleness in his high, flaring-topped boots. His thighs were cased in close-fitting breeches of white silk, his wide-skirted sky-blue coat open to reveal an open-necked white silken shirt beneath, and the scarlet sash that girdled his waist. There were silver acorn-shaped buttons on the coat, and it was adorned with gilt-worked cuffs and pocket-flaps, and a satin collar. A lacquered hat completed a costume obsolete by nearly a hundred years. A heavy cutlass hung at the wearer's hip."
One could devise an exotic fantasy costume that jibes with that description, but yeah, pretty much Captain Morgan...
or Adam Ant.
And the costume was obsolete by a century even back then!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 11:56:00 GMT -5
Just looks like Ron Garney's having a bit of fun.... hopefully this does not become a trend.
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Post by Char-Vell on Feb 15, 2019 13:12:58 GMT -5
here's a few goofy lacquered hats, a cutlass, some daggers with flintlock handles, and a bonus Frankenstein courtesy of a boring meeting..
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Post by lordyam on Feb 15, 2019 14:17:43 GMT -5
Not even close. One is a stretch, but believable under certain circumstances. The other break everything we know about Conan's world. Conan fighting along side Elric of Melnibone, as he did in the early original Marvel comics, is more believable. If I absolutely had to choose, I could more happily accept the presence of a firearm in Conan's time - maybe by magical means - than see him cavorting about with his new pals, the Picts. ...... If it's an enemy mine situation or a "certain individuals are cool but I hate the others" I wouldn't mind.
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Post by Grim Wanderer on Feb 15, 2019 14:34:29 GMT -5
Just looks like Ron Garney's having a bit of fun.... hopefully this does not become a trend. That gun is just getting right on my fucking tits. I seriously want to flog the artist for that. Clearly the inspiration is from Pirates of the Caribbean and not Conan. The shite.
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Post by boot on Feb 15, 2019 15:58:37 GMT -5
Just looks like Ron Garney's having a bit of fun.... hopefully this does not become a trend. That gun is just getting right on my fucking tits. I seriously want to flog the artist for that. Clearly the inspiration is from Pirates of the Caribbean and not Conan. The shite. Getting on your tits?
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Post by Char-Vell on Feb 15, 2019 16:05:31 GMT -5
RIGHT on his tits.
Must be british?
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Post by kemp on Feb 15, 2019 17:47:23 GMT -5
No artists portfolio examples of work. In the original SSOC even the ads seemed to fit the mag for the most part, promotion of portfolios and magazines like Starburst, Marvel collections etc.....now it's cartooney Ms Marvel or Apocalypse and the Xtracts 'to teach the world to love'.
Hate to say it, but seems like a bit of quick money grab by Marvel, trying to ride the waves of the original SSOC, but too lazy and cheap to put real effort in and make it of the same quality, and hoping that it's enough to get enough people in. Well, no, not really.
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Post by Taurus on Feb 15, 2019 18:59:56 GMT -5
No artists portfolio examples of work. In the original SSOC even the ads seemed to fit the mag for the most part, promotion of portfolios and magazines like Starburst, Marvel collections etc.....now it's cartooney Ms Marvel or Apocalypse and the Xtracts 'to teach the world to love'. Hate to say it, but seems like a bit of quick money grab by Marvel, trying to ride the waves of the original SSOC, but too lazy and cheap to put real effort in and make it of the same quality, and hoping that it's enough to get enough people in. Well, no, not really. That is what I think. I don't understand the hype. The material has been mostly subpar. I read CtB #1 and by the middle of it I found myself earger for the story to end so that I could do something else.
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Post by Condottiero Magno on Feb 15, 2019 19:40:03 GMT -5
Any scenes with the pistol drawn? Could it be a crossbow pistol with foldable bow arms? A smaller version of this: link?Crossbow pistols tend to be associated with roguish elements in D&D...
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Post by kemp on Feb 15, 2019 23:53:11 GMT -5
No artists portfolio examples of work. In the original SSOC even the ads seemed to fit the mag for the most part, promotion of portfolios and magazines like Starburst, Marvel collections etc.....now it's cartooney Ms Marvel or Apocalypse and the Xtracts 'to teach the world to love'. Hate to say it, but seems like a bit of quick money grab by Marvel, trying to ride the waves of the original SSOC, but too lazy and cheap to put real effort in and make it of the same quality, and hoping that it's enough to get enough people in. Well, no, not really. That is what I think. I don't understand the hype. The material has been mostly subpar. I read CtB #1 and by the middle of it I found myself earger for the story to end so that I could do something else. I read it on the train back from work so it passed the time. As a standalone series, for someone not familiar with the old mags, I think it would be adequate, and some of the old fans will like it. Most of my criticism comes from comparing it to the original SSOC, something I can’t help. If it was called something else I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it. It’s too similar to CtB for my liking, though the story and premise didn’t interest me in the same way as the story in the new CtB. I think CtB is definitely more successful when it comes to continuing off from its original incarnation, more so than SSOC which failed miserably in that regard ( in my opinion ). I’m not going to comment on the future SSOC issues as I will not be reading them. This is a different product, a comic trying to ride on the coattails of the SSOC name. I know that Marvel is putting out black and white editions, but I hope that the printing is from true B & W pencil and ink as opposed to digital alteration alone. Some will like all three titles and collect them all. That’s cool. Having said that, I will still read Conan the Barbarian as I have started with the series and I like the story and art so far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 8:14:03 GMT -5
That is what I think. I don't understand the hype. The material has been mostly subpar. I read CtB #1 and by the middle of it I found myself earger for the story to end so that I could do something else. I read it on the train back from work so it passed the time. As a standalone series, for someone not familiar with the old mags, I think it would be adequate, and some of the old fans will like it. Most of my criticism comes from comparing it to the original SSOC, something I can’t help. If it was called something else I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it. It’s too similar to CtB for my liking, though the story and premise didn’t interest me in the same way as the story in the new CtB. I think CtB is definitely more successful when it comes to continuing off from its original incarnation, more so than SSOC which failed miserably in that regard ( in my opinion ). I’m not going to comment on the future SSOC issues as I will not be reading them. This is a different product, a comic trying to ride on the coattails of the SSOC name. I know that Marvel is putting out black and white editions, but I hope that the printing is from true B & W pencil and ink as opposed to digital alteration alone. Some will like all three titles and collect them all. That’s cool. Having said that, I will still read Conan the Barbarian as I have started with the series and I like the story and art so far. I checked out a copy with a Black & White cover today and only the cover is in B&W.
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