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Post by megatron on Oct 1, 2018 11:03:01 GMT -5
Starting this thread as per requested on a different thread.
SJW's (Post-modernists and 3rd Wave Feminists) are ridiculous. Their negative effect on movies and other forms of entertainment is monumental or at least it was. Momentum has already begun to shift away from them. Recently it is easy to recognize the vast majority of people in North America see through the SJW's lies of moral superiority. However, there are still some SJW's in positions of influence and power that can still stir things up.
Case in point the recent Conan TV series on Amazon being cancelled. The new Head of Amazon TV Jennifer Salke is an SJW and 3rd Wave Feminist of the highest order. Conan - who I agree with moonlightshadow - is essentially a Libertarian type character and has no place anywhere in a company run by Salke, because according to SJW's anyone who isn't on the far extreme Left of politics must be a sexist, racist monster. I'm actually glad Amazon has passed on Conan now that Salke is in charge. Hopefully another studio or company will be able to pick up the ball and run with it now that it is free.
Star Wars has fallen to the SJWs. It has thus gone from being the most "surefire thing" in movie history to becoming an unprofitable disaster. Disney placed Kathleen Kennedy (SJW supreme commander) and they have lost out on billions of $ or profit. She had her postmodernist/3rd wave feminist agenda and she drove Star Wars right into the Trash Compacter (It's a Trap!!!). It remains to be seen whether the firing of Kennedy and the restructuring of Lucas Films will be enough to save Star Wars which is considered to be on Life Support at the moment.
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Post by moonlightshadow on Oct 1, 2018 11:26:28 GMT -5
Megatron, you know that I agree with the general gist of your post and I understand your anger but your language is highly polarizing and so you won't achieve anything but letting off steam and maybe getting a pat on your back by those who agree with you anyway.
BTW I think I read somewhere that Kathleen Kennedy's contract has been renewd for three years.
Anyway...I'm a big fan of old movies and TV series. I have close to 5000 movies and series on DVD and Blu-ray disc but I hardly watch new movies and TV series anymore. Why? Lame screenplays, endless CGI orgies and almost every movie these days is full of liberal propaganda.
Now I don't mind watching liberal movies. Steven Spielberg, Sidney Lumet, Robert Aldrich, John Ford...all great directors who have made some of my favourite movies. The problem today is that there is no variety anymore. A big budget movie that is not perfectly in line with the ruling leftist agenda has no chance of being produced anymore. ("Ruling" Hollywood and the media, not the country obviously.)
In the past we had John Ford AND Howard Hawks, Henry Fonda AND John Wayne, Robert Redford AND Clint Eastwood. The first Conan movie was directed by a man who calls himself a "zen fascist" and means it and the movie was great. (Not a good Howard adaptation but taken on its own terms it was a fantastic sword and sorcery movie).
Today every movie and TV series has the same messages: diversity is great, chinese are never the villains, old white guys are usually the villains, the strongest character is always a woman, we can't show armies of arab looking people because that would encourage alt-right racists to attack muslims. (Maybe the REAL arab armies and terrorists shown in the news are more to blame for that, aren't they?.)
It is getting SO tiring.
I have nothing against strong women and positive asian characters in movies. But put them in EVERY movie and it becomes propaganda. And propaganda is BORING.
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Post by moonlightshadow on Oct 1, 2018 11:40:13 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to mention the ridiculous "Rey" character from the new Star Wars movies. She's a feminist's wet-dream of a character. What does this character tell young girls and boys when they are watching the movies?
If you are a cute and nice girl you have to do nothing special to get better than even the best guys. There's no need for a hard training that takes many years, for sacrificing large parts of your private life and live on a godforsaken swamp planet, no need to confront your biggest fears. You only have to do this if you are a stupid farm boy like Luke Skywalker.
A cute girl has to do nothing special and she's just as good or BETTER than Luke Skywalker.
These are the kind of messages that are spoon-fed to young people again and again by Hollywood today.
If you watch a lot of movies like I do and if you have an antenna for the subtexts (which are not so "sub" anymore today) you feel like poor Winston in 1984 who has to listen to Big Brother's propaganda all day long, every day of his live. It's on TV, it's in the cinema, it's on streaming, it's in the newspapers...liberal propaganda that just won't stop.
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Post by megatron on Oct 1, 2018 12:32:30 GMT -5
Megatron, you know that I agree with the general gist of your post and I understand your anger but your language is highly polarizing and so you won't achieve anything but letting off steam and maybe getting a pat on your back by those who agree with you anyway. BTW I think I read somewhere that Kathleen Kennedy's contract has been renewd for three years. Anyway...I'm a big fan of old movies and TV series. I have close to 5000 movies and series on DVD and Blu-ray disc but I hardly watch new movies and TV series anymore. Why? Lame screenplays, endless CGI orgies and almost every movie these days is full of liberal propaganda. Now I don't mind watching liberal movies. Steven Spielberg, Sidney Lumet, Robert Aldrich, John Ford...all great directors who have made some of my favourite movies. The problem today is that there is no variety anymore. A big budget movie that is not perfectly in line with the ruling leftist agenda has no chance of being produced anymore. ("Ruling" Hollywood and the media, not the country obviously.) In the past we had John Ford AND Howard Hawks, Henry Fonda AND John Wayne, Robert Redford AND Clint Eastwood. The first Conan movie was directed by a man who calls himself a "zen fascist" and means it and the movie was great. (Not a good Howard adaptation but taken on its own terms it was a fantastic sword and sorcery movie). Today every movie and TV series has the same messages: diversity is great, chinese are never the villains, old white guys are usually the villains, the strongest character is always a woman, we can't show armies of arab looking people because that would encourage alt-right racists to attack muslims. (Maybe the REAL arab armies and terrorists shown in the news are more to blame for that, aren't they?.) It is getting SO tiring. I have nothing against strong women and positive asian characters in movies. But put them in EVERY movie and it becomes propaganda. And propaganda is BORING. I agree with everything you've said here... I would add that Kathleen's contract just happened and I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the heads up. It was widely believed that she was going to be reassigned - they apparently couldn't find anyone who wanted the position when they were thinking of firing her. The belief is that Disney doesn't dare outright fire her for fear of being labelled sexist etc. Well if she is actually still at the helm the franchise is doomed. I said that 3 years ago and I was correct... the proof is in the pudding. I too have a ridiculous collection of movies and DVD's. Some of my favorite characters of all time are Sarah Connor from T2, Ripley from the Alien movies and Leeloo from 5th Element. Another great female character that portrays strength of will and defiance is Cora Munro from Last of the Mohicans. I love a strong, capable woman character. I don't like Mary-Sue characters at all. Like you said Mary Sue characters are propaganda for an ideology driven narrative and that is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame. I believe in equal opportunity. I do not believe in equal outcome. The two can not exist together. If someone is cast in a role it should be because they are the best possible person to play that role. If it is a pre-existing character (mythology, comics, books, other movies etc.) then gender and race should be adhered to regarding the original said character. For example... I believe Anthony Hopkins is the best actor of our time yet I don't think he should be cast as Malcolm X in a new movie about the controversial character simply because he doesn't fit the race required to play that role. Likewise I love Denzel Washington and Sigourney Weaver but I don't want either of them cast as King Conan because again they doesn't fit the required race or gender to play that role. Its unfortunate that I even have to explain this but these are the times we live in. |
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Post by moonlightshadow on Oct 1, 2018 14:53:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I also agree with almost every word you said.
I could make long list of cool female, black and asian characters in movies and TV series that I love.
Ripley is indeed one of the greatest movie characters ever.
Denzel is one of my favourite actors.
The multi-ethnical crew of the original starship Enterprise made sense and was very cool. Back then Roddenberry and CBS had a lot of courage to have this multi-ethnic crew, including a russian in the middle of the cold war.
Yet when I say that I think it's ridiculous if James Bond would be played by a black actor undoubtedly some liberal would call me a racist.
Because leftists don't understand that it's not cool to put something or somebody in a movie JUST to further a political agenda or to signal their supposedly superior morality (which of course is anything but superior).
I'm also with you regarding equal opportunity.
It has been proven many times that an equal outcome philosophy is not working because people are inherently different from each other. Look at "progressve" countries like Sweden where most engineers are male and most nurses are female like in any other country in the world (except maybe North Korea).
Only communists and leftist-liberals think that they can make equal what nature has made un-equal.
So it is annoying when people who are not able to or don't want to understand this call you a sexist or a racist.
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Post by themirrorthief on Oct 1, 2018 15:23:19 GMT -5
I will stick to my old black and white Gunsmoke re runs...great plots and action...
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Post by megatron on Oct 1, 2018 21:12:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I also agree with almost every word you said. I could make long list of cool female, black and asian characters in movies and TV series that I love. Ripley is indeed one of the greatest movie characters ever. Denzel is one of my favourite actors. The multi-ethnical crew of the original starship Enterprise made sense and was very cool. Back then Roddenberry and CBS had a lot of courage to have this multi-ethnic crew, including a russian in the middle of the cold war. Yet when I say that I think it's ridiculous if James Bond would be played by a black actor undoubtedly some liberal would call me a racist. Because leftists don't understand that it's not cool to put something or somebody in a movie JUST to further a political agenda or to signal their supposedly superior morality (which of course is anything but superior). I'm also with you regarding equal opportunity. It has been proven many times that an equal outcome philosophy is not working because people are inherently different from each other. Look at "progressve" countries like Sweden where most engineers are male and most nurses are female like in any other country in the world (except maybe North Korea). Only communists and leftist-liberals think that they can make equal what nature has made un-equal. So it is annoying when people who are not able to or don't want to understand this call you a sexist or a racist. Well said. |
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Post by megatron on Oct 1, 2018 21:12:30 GMT -5
I will stick to my old black and white Gunsmoke re runs...great plots and action... I love Gunsmoke! |
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Post by megatron on Oct 1, 2018 21:20:26 GMT -5
I will stick to my old black and white Gunsmoke re runs...great plots and action... I moved my response to your post on the other thread out of respect for those who don't want politics in that thread anymore and here it is as best I could do it. 5 hours ago themirrorthief said: "I dont think a real Conan has a chance in Hollywood, to much racism against powerful white males...it could get made in Russia though, lots of great sword slinging movies coming out of there in recent times " I agree with you that in the current political climate there is a ton of racism in Hollywood towards white people. Here is a direct quote from Abrams when he started Force Awakens and he entered a casting room "…you look around that room and you see the whitest fucking room in the history of time. It’s just unbelievably white. And I just thought, we’re casting this show and we have an opportunity to do anything we want, why not cast the show with actors of color?" How can anyone with a straight face claim this isn't 100% racist? |
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Post by lordyam on Oct 2, 2018 0:35:19 GMT -5
Starting this thread as per requested on a different thread. SJW's (Post-modernists and 3rd Wave Feminists) are ridiculous. Their negative effect on movies and other forms of entertainment is monumental or at least it was. Momentum has already begun to shift away from them. Recently it is easy to recognize the vast majority of people in North America see through the SJW's lies of moral superiority. However, there are still some SJW's in positions of influence and power that can still stir things up. Case in point the recent Conan TV series on Amazon being cancelled. The new Head of Amazon TV Jennifer Salke is an SJW and 3rd Wave Feminist of the highest order. Conan - who I agree with moonlightshadow - is essentially a Libertarian type character and has no place anywhere in a company run by Salke, because according to SJW's anyone who isn't on the far extreme Left of politics must be a sexist, racist monster. I'm actually glad Amazon has passed on Conan now that Salke is in charge. Hopefully another studio or company will be able to pick up the ball and run with it now that it is free. Star Wars has fallen to the SJWs. It has thus gone from being the most "surefire thing" in movie history to becoming an unprofitable disaster. Disney placed Kathleen Kennedy (SJW supreme commander) and they have lost out on billions of $ or profit. She had her postmodernist/3rd wave feminist agenda and she drove Star Wars right into the Trash Compacter (It's a Trap!!!). It remains to be seen whether the firing of Kennedy and the restructuring of Lucas Films will be enough to save Star Wars which is considered to be on Life Support at the moment. Oh please. Last Jedi sucked for other reasons (lack of focus, not a lot of plotting.) having more minorities in the cast was not a bad thing sincevthe galaxy is huge. The idea that everyone’s going to be white is stupid. And while rose had problems with characterization you’re deluded if you say that NONE of the critics were motivated by racism or sexism (more specifically Rose was Asian but not the exotic bombshell. Instead she was gasp PLUMP. Same with Rey. The character could have been better executed but many of the people shouting Mary Sue wouldn’t have a problem if Rey had a penis. I will stick to my old black and white Gunsmoke re runs...great plots and action... I moved my response to your post on the other thread out of respect for those who don't want politics in that thread anymore and here it is as best I could do it. 5 hours ago themirrorthief said: "I dont think a real Conan has a chance in Hollywood, to much racism against powerful white males...it could get made in Russia though, lots of great sword slinging movies coming out of there in recent times " I agree with you that in the current political climate there is a ton of racism in Hollywood towards white people. Here is a direct quote from Abrams when he started Force Awakens and he entered a casting room "…you look around that room and you see the whitest fucking room in the history of time. It’s just unbelievably white. And I just thought, we’re casting this show and we have an opportunity to do anything we want, why not cast the show with actors of color?" How can anyone with a straight face claim this isn't 100% racist? Way to miss the point. The point is that there are a TON of actors of color who get overlooked in favor of white people even if the white people arent as good (see the first season of iron fist). When they ARE cast it’s in limited stereotypes (Asians are either nerds losers or exotic bombshells; Arabs middle easterners and Muslims are either savages, terrorists, con artists, billionaires, mysterious or exotic belly dancers). The point was you can EASILY have a female lead character, or a black leader, or an Asian action hero. You don’t just need the same white actors. White people are not being discriminated against. They’re being asked to share. And they should. |
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 0:37:38 GMT -5
Starting this thread as per requested on a different thread. SJW's (Post-modernists and 3rd Wave Feminists) are ridiculous. Their negative effect on movies and other forms of entertainment is monumental or at least it was. Momentum has already begun to shift away from them. Recently it is easy to recognize the vast majority of people in North America see through the SJW's lies of moral superiority. However, there are still some SJW's in positions of influence and power that can still stir things up. Case in point the recent Conan TV series on Amazon being cancelled. The new Head of Amazon TV Jennifer Salke is an SJW and 3rd Wave Feminist of the highest order. Conan - who I agree with moonlightshadow - is essentially a Libertarian type character and has no place anywhere in a company run by Salke, because according to SJW's anyone who isn't on the far extreme Left of politics must be a sexist, racist monster. I'm actually glad Amazon has passed on Conan now that Salke is in charge. Hopefully another studio or company will be able to pick up the ball and run with it now that it is free. Star Wars has fallen to the SJWs. It has thus gone from being the most "surefire thing" in movie history to becoming an unprofitable disaster. Disney placed Kathleen Kennedy (SJW supreme commander) and they have lost out on billions of $ or profit. She had her postmodernist/3rd wave feminist agenda and she drove Star Wars right into the Trash Compacter (It's a Trap!!!). It remains to be seen whether the firing of Kennedy and the restructuring of Lucas Films will be enough to save Star Wars which is considered to be on Life Support at the moment. Oh please. Last Jedi sucked for other reasons (lack of focus, not a lot of plotting.) having more minorities in the cast was not a bad thing sincevthe galaxy is huge. The idea that everyone’s going to be white is stupid. And while rose had problems with characterization you’re deluded if you say that NONE of the critics were motivated by racism or sexism (more specifically Rose was Asian but not the exotic bombshell. Instead she was gasp PLUMP. Same with Rey. The character could have been better executed but many of the people shouting Mary Sue wouldn’t have a problem if Rey had a penis. You've missed the point entirely. |
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Post by lordyam on Oct 2, 2018 0:46:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I also agree with almost every word you said. I could make long list of cool female, black and asian characters in movies and TV series that I love. Ripley is indeed one of the greatest movie characters ever. Denzel is one of my favourite actors. The multi-ethnical crew of the original starship Enterprise made sense and was very cool. Back then Roddenberry and CBS had a lot of courage to have this multi-ethnic crew, including a russian in the middle of the cold war. Yet when I say that I think it's ridiculous if James Bond would be played by a black actor undoubtedly some liberal would call me a racist. Because leftists don't understand that it's not cool to put something or somebody in a movie JUST to further a political agenda or to signal their supposedly superior morality (which of course is anything but superior). I'm also with you regarding equal opportunity. It has been proven many times that an equal outcome philosophy is not working because people are inherently different from each other. Look at "progressve" countries like Sweden where most engineers are male and most nurses are female like in any other country in the world (except maybe North Korea). Only communists and leftist-liberals think that they can make equal what nature has made un-equal. So it is annoying when people who are not able to or don't want to understand this call you a sexist or a racist. Except that in many cases they aren’t really given equal opportunity. Structural and Institutional Racism are things; there was a video game company where a woman proposed an idea and no one cared....and when a dude proposed the idea they loved it. There have been many cases where entirely qualified women and minorities are turned away even though they’re the better choice (statistically a white guy with a criminal record is more likely to get a call back than a black dude with no record. |
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 0:47:22 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to mention the ridiculous "Rey" character from the new Star Wars movies. She's a feminist's wet-dream of a character. What does this character tell young girls and boys when they are watching the movies? If you are a cute and nice girl you have to do nothing special to get better than even the best guys. There's no need for a hard training that takes many years, for sacrificing large parts of your private life and live on a godforsaken swamp planet, no need to confront your biggest fears. You only have to do this if you are a stupid farm boy like Luke Skywalker. A cute girl has to do nothing special and she's just as good or BETTER than Luke Skywalker. These are the kind of messages that are spoon-fed to young people again and again by Hollywood today. If you watch a lot of movies like I do and if you have an antenna for the subtexts (which are not so "sub" anymore today) you feel like poor Winston in 1984 who has to listen to Big Brother's propaganda all day long, every day of his live. It's on TV, it's in the cinema, it's on streaming, it's in the newspapers...liberal propaganda that just won't stop. Not sure how I missed this earlier but yeah my man you are spot on!!! |
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 1:07:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I also agree with almost every word you said. I could make long list of cool female, black and asian characters in movies and TV series that I love. Ripley is indeed one of the greatest movie characters ever. Denzel is one of my favourite actors. The multi-ethnical crew of the original starship Enterprise made sense and was very cool. Back then Roddenberry and CBS had a lot of courage to have this multi-ethnic crew, including a russian in the middle of the cold war. Yet when I say that I think it's ridiculous if James Bond would be played by a black actor undoubtedly some liberal would call me a racist. Because leftists don't understand that it's not cool to put something or somebody in a movie JUST to further a political agenda or to signal their supposedly superior morality (which of course is anything but superior). I'm also with you regarding equal opportunity. It has been proven many times that an equal outcome philosophy is not working because people are inherently different from each other. Look at "progressve" countries like Sweden where most engineers are male and most nurses are female like in any other country in the world (except maybe North Korea). Only communists and leftist-liberals think that they can make equal what nature has made un-equal. So it is annoying when people who are not able to or don't want to understand this call you a sexist or a racist. Except that in many cases they aren’t really given equal opportunity. Structural and Institutional Racism are things; there was a video game company where a woman proposed an idea and no one cared....and when a dude proposed the idea they loved it. There have been many cases where entirely qualified women and minorities are turned away even though they’re the better choice (statistically a white guy with a criminal record is more likely to get a call back than a black dude with no record. I'm certainly not suggesting that racists don't exist. I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't happen. When it does and there is evidence to back up the allegations then those situations need to be highlighted and the actual real racists need to be called out and held accountable for their behavior. I haven't seen anyone on this forum who is arguing against what I've just said. I think everyone is in agreement on this. Please elaborate on what you mean by structural and institutional racism. I'm very sure I know what you are going to say but I want to give you the opportunity to be as clear as possible. What are your honest thoughts on this example: A female, Native-American, who is a highly qualified artist and a successful veteran high school Visual Art teacher is head hunted by a school and it's school board (in a bigger school division) for a job teaching an Advanced Placement High School Art class. After interviews and meeting with all the appropriate administrators she is verbally told she is to have the job. She was introduced to the class as the new AP Art Teacher and had met with the students on more than one occasion. Two days before the contract is to be signed and take effect immediately she is informed that she will no longer be getting the position as the school board has been ordered by the Provincial Ministry of Education that there is a "MUST PLACE" teacher from another division, who has been given the position instead. Now this other teacher is a white male. Their area of discipline is not in Visual Art. They have no experience what so ever in teaching Visual Art to any grade level. I think you and I could agree on this example as being absolutely racist and sexist and that it should be called out as such and those responsible should be held accountable. Would I be correct in this assumption on your behalf? |
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Post by robp on Oct 2, 2018 3:11:44 GMT -5
I will stick to my old black and white Gunsmoke re runs...great plots and action... I moved my response to your post on the other thread out of respect for those who don't want politics in that thread anymore and here it is as best I could do it. 5 hours ago themirrorthief said: "I dont think a real Conan has a chance in Hollywood, to much racism against powerful white males...it could get made in Russia though, lots of great sword slinging movies coming out of there in recent times " I agree with you that in the current political climate there is a ton of racism in Hollywood towards white people. Here is a direct quote from Abrams when he started Force Awakens and he entered a casting room "…you look around that room and you see the whitest fucking room in the history of time. It’s just unbelievably white. And I just thought, we’re casting this show and we have an opportunity to do anything we want, why not cast the show with actors of color?" How can anyone with a straight face claim this isn't 100% racist? Er....because he is looking to be inclusive to all races and not just have one race represented? Seems kind of the opposite of racism to me. |
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