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Post by kemp on Jan 4, 2019 7:37:33 GMT -5
let the russians do it, they are good with sword slinging flicks IMO...real good I used to think that they could possibly do a Conan movie, but I am not so sure now. The Russians are producing some really good historical and historical/fantasy films, but I don’t think they would do justice to Conan, not really, something would be missing, certain nuances. The Americans get Conan the best, all the original work by REH, the SSOC and Conan the Barbarian comics, CtB, are all produced by Americans, and it was the stuff that I enjoyed when it came to Conan and his world. You can draw your talent pool from an international cast, but the direction should be American, just like some things should be Australian and British. I mean, you wouldn’t get anyone apart from the Brits to do Dr Who, right!?!. Having said that, I don’t trust the big studio heads of Hollywood when it comes to handling REH's work, especially Conan, for various reasons. The project should be given to a director with the right vision, just make Conan for the fans and an American audience, and don't worry about anything else. Look at all the diehard fans on this forum. If it is correctly handled, it will also be appreciated ( and respected ) by fans the world over.
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 4, 2019 9:55:40 GMT -5
many would disagree but I think Conan is historical fiction...just that Howard made up the history and added a healthy dose of the supernatural...a very nice combination iMO
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Post by Grim Wanderer on Jan 4, 2019 12:00:40 GMT -5
What's needed is a producer/director combo that has heads for sword & sorcery fiction. Ideally, ones that are semi-successful so that a studio is willing to risk the money to produce the film and still hungry enough to take the risks needed to produce a truly great Conan film. Then they have to include Arnold in some way as King Conan. He was never perfect, but including him will give it immediate cache.
The story also needs to ignore Conan's origins. Just show a map with a dashed line showing the path of his life and a few snippets during the opening credits. Then drop the audience straight into the story, two-fisted and bloody. Lastly, the film has to show all sides of Conan; quick to anger, quick to laugh, and keenly intelligent and intuitive. A tall order at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 4:53:49 GMT -5
many would disagree but I think Conan is historical fiction...just that Howard made up the history and added a healthy dose of the supernatural...a very nice combination iMO Yeah I agree, a very significant and often overlooked aspect of REH's Conan yarns.
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Post by robp on Jan 5, 2019 7:50:30 GMT -5
All good points but I still can''t help thinking a TV series would be the better way to go for a screen Conan. Films always seem to go down the origins / revenge plot route, neither of which really fits the bill. And great observation, Mirrorthief!
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Post by kemp on Jan 7, 2019 7:38:48 GMT -5
The Hyborian Age is the most realistic and complete fantasy setting because it has a neo historical feel to it, what with REH adding elements from the myths and legends of an assortment of cultures, not to mention historical names of people and nations. You get the impression that the Hyborian Age might have existed, or at least elements of it in one or another form, that earlier civilisations have come and gone. When I read the Lebor Gabala Erenn about the history of Ireland and the Irish, I came across some information that made me think about REH’s Hyborian Age civilisations such as Hyperborea. ‘304. Thereafter the progeny of Bethach s. Iarbonel the Soothsayer s. Nemed were in the northern islands of the world, learning druidry and knowledge and prophecy and magic, till they were experts in the arts of pagan cunning. 305. There were four cities in which they were acquiring knowledge and science and diabolism: these are their names, Failias, Goirias, Findias, Muirias……’ archive.org/stream/leborgablare04macauoft#page/107/mode/1upI think the directors and producers making Conan films should draw their inspiration from the above sources.
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Post by Aryeh on Jan 7, 2019 21:03:40 GMT -5
The Hyborian Age is the most realistic and complete fantasy setting because it has a neo historical feel to it, what with REH adding elements from the myths and legends of an assortment of cultures, not to mention historical names of people and nations. You get the impression that the Hyborian Age might have existed, or at least elements of it in one or another form, that earlier civilisations have come and gone. When I read the Lebor Gabala Erenn about the history of Ireland and the Irish, I came across some information that made me think about REH’s Hyborian Age civilisations such as Hyperborea. ‘304. Thereafter the progeny of Bethach s. Iarbonel the Soothsayer s. Nemed were in the northern islands of the world, learning druidry and knowledge and prophecy and magic, till they were experts in the arts of pagan cunning. 305. There were four cities in which they were acquiring knowledge and science and diabolism: these are their names, Failias, Goirias, Findias, Muirias……’ archive.org/stream/leborgablare04macauoft#page/107/mode/1upI think the directors and producers making Conan films should draw their inspiration from the above sources.
Aren't historical Nemeds proto-Celtic, while Howard's Nemedians are proto-Germanic?
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Post by kemp on Jan 8, 2019 5:20:31 GMT -5
The Hyborian Age is the most realistic and complete fantasy setting because it has a neo historical feel to it, what with REH adding elements from the myths and legends of an assortment of cultures, not to mention historical names of people and nations. You get the impression that the Hyborian Age might have existed, or at least elements of it in one or another form, that earlier civilisations have come and gone. When I read the Lebor Gabala Erenn about the history of Ireland and the Irish, I came across some information that made me think about REH’s Hyborian Age civilisations such as Hyperborea. ‘304. Thereafter the progeny of Bethach s. Iarbonel the Soothsayer s. Nemed were in the northern islands of the world, learning druidry and knowledge and prophecy and magic, till they were experts in the arts of pagan cunning. 305. There were four cities in which they were acquiring knowledge and science and diabolism: these are their names, Failias, Goirias, Findias, Muirias……’ archive.org/stream/leborgablare04macauoft#page/107/mode/1upI think the directors and producers making Conan films should draw their inspiration from the above sources.
Aren't historical Nemeds proto-Celtic, while Howard's Nemedians are proto-Germanic? The Nemeds are connected to the early Irish at least, accounts relating to colonists from Scythia in Irish myth. I don't recall REH stating that his Nemedians were Proto Germanic, certainly one of the Hyborian nations. Howard was well versed in Irish mythology though. Of course, REH was also well versed in general history so his borrowings were extensive.
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Post by zarono on Jan 8, 2019 9:50:57 GMT -5
Through the mists of the Black Lotus I walk the astral path that overlooks many worlds and many possibilities--- I see, I see,--
Conan the Barbarian enters the MCU in a standalone feature in 2021, Vin Diesel stars as Conan wearing a very well crafted wig. Vin returns to the screen as Conan in a 2023 Avengers movie, early in the film his hair blasted off by Kang the Conqueror which results in Diesel going to his natural bald state and ushering in the age of bald Conan.
The mists fade, I plummet from the astral realms back to the world of solid matter where time runs in a single direction.
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Post by stubbs on Jan 8, 2019 10:44:05 GMT -5
Disney basically have all their MCU films planned out till 2022, so I don't see Conan appearing in the MCU anytime soon if it happens at all. Apart from some odd examples, there isn't much interest among big studios in making films other than pg-13 and I don't have much confidence they could make a satisfactory pg-13 Conan film. If they could make a TV show as good as the Netflix Daredevil or Punisher shows I'd be happy though.
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Post by emerald on Jan 8, 2019 11:29:39 GMT -5
"...early in the film his hair blasted off by Kang the Conqueror which results in Diesel going to his natural bald state and ushering in the age of bald Conan." Okay, I was drinking coffee when I read that and had to spit some of it back into my cup to keep from wearing it.
That was some Strong Black Lotus there, Mr. Zarono.
Careful with your consumption, brother. Take too much and you could wake up in another dimension. Or a dumpster. Or both.
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Post by Grim Wanderer on Jan 8, 2019 13:29:02 GMT -5
Through the mists of the Black Lotus I walk the astral path that overlooks many worlds and many possibilities--- I see, I see,-- Conan the Barbarian enters the MCU in a standalone feature in 2021, Vin Diesel stars as Conan wearing a very well crafted wig. Vin returns to the screen as Conan in a 2023 Avengers movie, early in the film his hair blasted off by Kang the Conqueror which results in Diesel going to his natural bald state and ushering in the age of bald Conan. The mists fade, I plummet from the astral realms back to the world of solid matter where time runs in a single direction. That's some nasty haga you've been chewing.
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Post by terryallenuk on Jan 8, 2019 14:06:07 GMT -5
Disney basically have all their MCU films planned out till 2022, so I don't see Conan appearing in the MCU anytime soon if it happens at all. Apart from some odd examples, there isn't much interest among big studios in making films other than pg-13 and I don't have much confidence they could make a satisfactory pg-13 Conan film. If they could make a TV show as good as the Netflix Daredevil or Punisher shows I'd be happy though. Plus they have to integrate the X-Men and FF characters and with Conan not belonging to Marvel can't see them being interested at all. Still hope the planned Amazon show gets picked up by someone else though its been a long time (September) since it was rumoured to have been dropped.
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Post by attilaman66 on Jan 8, 2019 19:59:13 GMT -5
Don’t know why, but I think I would rather see Conan on Netflix anyway.
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Post by zarono on Jan 8, 2019 22:00:48 GMT -5
Through the mists of the Black Lotus I walk the astral path that overlooks many worlds and many possibilities--- I see, I see,-- Conan the Barbarian enters the MCU in a standalone feature in 2021, Vin Diesel stars as Conan wearing a very well crafted wig. Vin returns to the screen as Conan in a 2023 Avengers movie, early in the film his hair blasted off by Kang the Conqueror which results in Diesel going to his natural bald state and ushering in the age of bald Conan. The mists fade, I plummet from the astral realms back to the world of solid matter where time runs in a single direction. That's some nasty haga you've been chewing. It better not be haga!
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