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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 14:12:56 GMT -5
Check in on this thread from time to time. Just want to give a quick shout out to the principals talking here; there's different opinions and some different political worldviews peeking through, but no insults or name calling or put downs, just calm, rational discussion and agreements/disagreements. Well done, to everyone; please keep this up. This thing is big and tough to grapple with and it's something that affects all of us, so we can disagree but all recognize we're in the same boat. Please keep it up! I feel like it's been like this everywhere. People are really coming together and doing their best to get over this situation. In the end we all just want to be safe and keep our families safe.
Let's all stay positive, we can beat this thing.
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Post by kemp on Mar 20, 2020 6:14:48 GMT -5
The Australia coronavirus death toll has hit seven now, with the latest an 81 year old woman from NSW. Most of the deaths are from NSW and exclusively amongst the elderly. ‘Prior to the woman’s death, five people aged 95, 90, 86, 82 and 77 had died in NSW while a 78-year-old man died in WA.’ au.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-seventh-person-australia-dies-covid-19-232234062.htmlIt seems that the greatest number of fatalities due to corona virus tends to be heavily congested areas with significant levels of air pollution, hence the numbers in Chinese cities, and now in overcrowded Europe. ‘The health damage inflicted on people by long-standing air pollution in cities is likely to increase the death rate from coronavirus infections, experts have said. Dirty air is known to cause lung and heart damage and is responsible for at least 8m early deaths a year. This underlying health damage means respiratory infections, such as coronavirus, may well have a more serious impact on city dwellers and those exposed to toxic fumes, than on others. However, strict confinement measures in China, where the coronavirus outbreak began, and in Italy, Europe’s most affected nation, have led to falls in air pollution as fewer vehicles are driven and industrial emissions fall. A preliminary calculation by a US expert suggests that tens of thousands of premature deaths from air pollution may have been avoided by the cleaner air in China, far higher than the 3,208 coronavirus deaths.’ www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/17/air-pollution-likely-to-increase-coronavirus-death-rate-warn-experts
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Post by kemp on Mar 20, 2020 6:24:06 GMT -5
Deaths due to influenza in 2017. ‘In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. This is a significant increase from 2016 where 464 influenza deaths were recorded. An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia. When grouped together, influenza and pneumonia accounted for 4,269 deaths, and were the 9th leading cause of death, moving from the 11th leading cause of death in 2016 (3,334 deaths). The majority of the increase was driven by the influenza virus (84.6%).’ www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Deaths%20due%20to%20influenza~5Those most at risk The people in the community most at risk for severe influenza are:• children, • pregnant women, • elderly people, • people with chronic medical conditions (such as asthma), • people who have compromised immune systems. For COVID-19, those most at risk are:• people who have recently been in a high risk country or region (mainland China, Iran, Italy or Korea), • people who have been in close contact with someone who has a confirmed case of COVID-19, • elderly people, • people with chronic medical conditions, • people who have compromised immune systems, • Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples (as they have higher rates of chronic illness). www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-20/how-coronavirus-covid-19-compares-to-flu/12073696
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 9:50:17 GMT -5
By Crom and Tengri, they've closed all the pubs in the UK.
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Post by kemp on Mar 21, 2020 21:04:52 GMT -5
By Crom and Tengri, they've closed all the pubs in the UK. The fascist bastards.
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Post by kemp on Mar 22, 2020 2:23:55 GMT -5
This virus really has the world governments in alert, the figures for the infected/fatalities vary from country to country, region to region, but looking at how the virus works, how it spreads, I have noticed that the cases are significantly more in places with higher air pollution levels. 'New Satellite Video Shows China Pollution Vanishing During COVID-19 Lockdown—Then Coming Back' 'The European Space Agency released new video this weekend that shows air pollution vanishing over China as the country goes into COVID-19 coronavirus lockdown, then returning as business resumes:' www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/03/22/video-watch-from-space-as-air-pollution-vanishes-over-china-during-coronavirus-lockdown-then-returns/#17d8f65535f0A ramp down in economic activity due to lockdowns, planes grounded, closing 'non essential' services, self isolation and working from home has likely meant that the air quality has improved, and thus reducing infections as a result of Covid-19. Of course there are other factors to be considered. At the moment governments are trying to control it. The problem is that if we are unable ( at point of writing ) to find the vaccine for this Covid-19, that means future economic ramp ups might not be possible with the threat of this thing breaking out everytime air pollution levels hit a particular level. No one is saying these things officially, maybe they can't, maybe I am dead wrong. This is causing no end of grief amongst those that run and direct the major industries and governments. I would hate to think that this planet has these safety mechanisms in place to hold us in check. Hope that is not the case, or this might change the way we do things permanently...or contribute in the collapse of civilization.
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Post by kemp on Mar 22, 2020 5:13:01 GMT -5
Booze panic buying 'Chaotic' crowds descend on Dan Murphy's bottle shops as borders shut’ ‘It started with toilet paper, but it now seems Australians are panic buying alcohol. After Victoria and NSW officials announced on Sunday a shutdown of non-essential services, Australians have been left pondering what exactly that means for their daily routine. Although states and territories are said to be working on more specific details during meetings over the next two days, it seems Aussies are worried about not being able to access their local bottle shop.’ au.yahoo.com/news/huge-crowds-descend-on-dan-murphys-bottle-shop-coronavirus-074525012.htmlALCOHOL RUNNING OUT IN AUSTRALIA !?! WE WILL HAVE A RIOT ON OUR HANDS SOON ENOUGH.
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Post by robp on Mar 22, 2020 5:35:37 GMT -5
Hope that is not the case, or this might change the way we do things permanently. That may be a good thing. The current world system obviously can't cope
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 7:32:57 GMT -5
Booze panic buying 'Chaotic' crowds descend on Dan Murphy's bottle shops as borders shut’ ‘It started with toilet paper, but it now seems Australians are panic buying alcohol. After Victoria and NSW officials announced on Sunday a shutdown of non-essential services, Australians have been left pondering what exactly that means for their daily routine. Although states and territories are said to be working on more specific details during meetings over the next two days, it seems Aussies are worried about not being able to access their local bottle shop.’ au.yahoo.com/news/huge-crowds-descend-on-dan-murphys-bottle-shop-coronavirus-074525012.htmlALCOHOL RUNNING OUT IN AUSTRALIA !?! WE WILL HAVE A RIOT ON OUR HANDS SOON ENOUGH. Australians seem to be setting the trend when it comes to panic buying - first the bog rolls and now Alcohol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 8:14:02 GMT -5
Just got myself a bottle of Bells
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Post by charleshelm on Mar 22, 2020 8:46:51 GMT -5
I am woefully undersupplied with Bourbon...
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Post by kemp on Mar 23, 2020 1:31:37 GMT -5
Great news, bottle shops have been listed as part of the essential services and will not close. Revolution just averted
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Post by kemp on Mar 23, 2020 1:35:23 GMT -5
The stash
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Post by kemp on Mar 23, 2020 1:56:43 GMT -5
Hope that is not the case, or this might change the way we do things permanently. That may be a good thing. The current world system obviously can't cope There is natural pollution and man made pollution, and the world can generously handle both up to a point, but we are probably reaching some tipping point, hence a virus where the severity of the effects of COVID-19 might be related to the levels of air pollution and damaged immunity systems in people.
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Post by kemp on Mar 25, 2020 16:11:58 GMT -5
Coronavirus: Trump wants US open for business amid pandemic www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52009108"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF," he tweeted, using the all-caps he reserves for matters of apparent urgency. "AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!’ The massive lockdowns only hold back the inevitable. At the end of is, it will still peak and do massive damage in many places. I’m thinking the economic damage might be longer lasting. People need to go out and about and do their business, all these massive closures and restrictions will come back to haunt us. Everyone will have a different opinion on this. The reality is somewhere in the middle.
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