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Post by kemp on Jun 20, 2020 6:33:16 GMT -5
Russia, China and the US will be bandied around more than most because of their major world power status, all have made their historical contributions and all have made foreign and domestic policy mistakes in my humble opinion.
On other threads I have noted the historical, artistic and cultural contributions made by various cultures from the four corners of the world.
The above mentioned players have an effect on human social and cultural development ( or loss of culture ) as a whole so it stands to reason to mention them in the context of the collapse of civilization.
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Post by trescuinge on Jun 20, 2020 14:54:47 GMT -5
There are a number of causes that may be responsible for the collapse of human civilization, including war, pestilence, depopulation and natural catastrophe. ‘A collapsed society could revert to a more primitive state, be absorbed into another one, or completely cease to exist. Various models and theories explaining societal collapse have been proposed, involving things such as environmental effects, depletion of resources, loss of creativity, rising inequality,unsustainable complexity, and decay of social cohesion as factors contributing to the decline and fall of a society. Such a disintegration may be relatively abrupt, as in the case of Maya civilization, or gradual, as in the case of the fall of the Western Roman Empire.’ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#:~:text=Societal%20collapse%20(also%20known%20as,or%20completely%20cease%20to%20exist. Somewhere down there, Michael York and Jenny Agutter are visiting Peter Ustinov The fall of civilization might not be too bad with Jenny Agutter along!
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Post by kemp on Jun 23, 2020 9:09:40 GMT -5
'1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Turning Points in Ancient History)' ‘In 1177 B.C., marauding groups known only as the "Sea Peoples" invaded Egypt. The pharaoh's army and navy managed to defeat them, but the victory so weakened Egypt that it soon slid into decline, as did most of the surrounding civilizations. After centuries of brilliance, the civilized world of the Bronze Age came to an abrupt and cataclysmic end. Kingdoms fell like dominoes over the course of just a few decades. No more Minoans or Mycenaeans. No more Trojans, Hittites, or Babylonians. The thriving economy and cultures of the late second millennium B.C., which had stretched from Greece to Egypt and Mesopotamia, suddenly ceased to exist, along with writing systems, technology, and monumental architecture. But the Sea Peoples alone could not have caused such widespread breakdown. How did it happen? In this major new account of the causes of this "First Dark Ages," Eric Cline tells the gripping story of how the end was brought about by multiple interconnected failures, ranging from invasion and revolt to earthquakes, drought, and the cutting of international trade routes. Bringing to life the vibrant multicultural world of these great civilizations, he draws a sweeping panorama of the empires and globalized peoples of the Late Bronze Age and shows that it was their very interdependence that hastened their dramatic collapse and ushered in a dark age that lasted centuries. A compelling combination of narrative and the latest scholarship, 1177 B.C. sheds new light on the complex ties that gave rise to, and ultimately destroyed, the flourishing civilizations of the Late Bronze Age―and that set the stage for the emergence of classical Greece.’ www.amazon.com/1177-B-C-Civilization-Collapsed-Turning/dp/0691168385#:~:text=In%201177%20B.C.%2C%20marauding%20groups,most%20of%20the%20surrounding%20civilizations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:46:25 GMT -5
'1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Turning Points in Ancient History)' ‘In 1177 B.C., marauding groups known only as the "Sea Peoples" invaded Egypt. The pharaoh's army and navy managed to defeat them, but the victory so weakened Egypt that it soon slid into decline, as did most of the surrounding civilizations. After centuries of brilliance, the civilized world of the Bronze Age came to an abrupt and cataclysmic end. Kingdoms fell like dominoes over the course of just a few decades. No more Minoans or Mycenaeans. No more Trojans, Hittites, or Babylonians. The thriving economy and cultures of the late second millennium B.C., which had stretched from Greece to Egypt and Mesopotamia, suddenly ceased to exist, along with writing systems, technology, and monumental architecture. But the Sea Peoples alone could not have caused such widespread breakdown. How did it happen? In this major new account of the causes of this "First Dark Ages," Eric Cline tells the gripping story of how the end was brought about by multiple interconnected failures, ranging from invasion and revolt to earthquakes, drought, and the cutting of international trade routes. Bringing to life the vibrant multicultural world of these great civilizations, he draws a sweeping panorama of the empires and globalized peoples of the Late Bronze Age and shows that it was their very interdependence that hastened their dramatic collapse and ushered in a dark age that lasted centuries. A compelling combination of narrative and the latest scholarship, 1177 B.C. sheds new light on the complex ties that gave rise to, and ultimately destroyed, the flourishing civilizations of the Late Bronze Age―and that set the stage for the emergence of classical Greece.’ www.amazon.com/1177-B-C-Civilization-Collapsed-Turning/dp/0691168385#:~:text=In%201177%20B.C.%2C%20marauding%20groups,most%20of%20the%20surrounding%20civilizations. As someone who owns this book I feel like I have to warn everyone not to spend your money. Although the book is well written there just isn't enough information from that time period to fill a book and it repeats itself at least 4 times in an attempt to increase the word count.
You can gain just as much information about the Bronze age collapse by reading the wikipedia article, which sadly is not much because it is a very interesting period.
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Post by kemp on Jun 24, 2020 3:07:27 GMT -5
The Wikipedia article on the Late Bronze Age collapse and the transition into a Dark Age ( Greek Dark Ages ) is probably not that generous when it comes to information, but it does provide an adequate cursory overview of the invasions, destruction and population movements that occurred around 1200 BC, and also provides a regional breakdown on those events. The possible causes for the collapse include environmental and cultural factors. 'In the specific context of the Middle East, a variety of factors – including population growth, soil degradation, drought, cast bronze weapon and iron production technologies – could have combined to push the relative price of weaponry (compared to arable land) to a level unsustainable for traditional warrior aristocracies. In complex societies that were increasingly fragile and less resilient, the combination of factors may have contributed to the collapse.' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
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Post by linefacedscrivener on Jun 26, 2020 10:56:33 GMT -5
One man with a godamned hammer Can batter a statue down And four with an apeish clamor Can tear off a virgin's gown. We, with our sneers and lying, Since the day when the dawns were young, Built Gomorrah with our spying And Sodom we reared and sung. And we curse all the birds for flying, And the sod whence the flowers sprung, As we go selling and buying, Building a world of dung. -Robert E. Howard to Tevis Clyde Smith, November 1928
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Post by kemp on Jul 1, 2020 9:20:58 GMT -5
I have heard people use the term ‘the new normal’, but it's really a BS term. More like a return to the old normal or rather one of the old normals. For instance, some of the reactions to coronavirus are similar to the stuff that went back on in the 1918/19 flu pandemic. In between that and now all these other things happened. A hundred years later and we have done a full circle, albeit with a 21st century makeover. I prefer the term 'there is nothing new under the sun'.
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Post by kemp on Jul 1, 2020 9:30:27 GMT -5
Have we also, in some respects, returned to the middle ages. Now this is a bit of tongue in cheek, and I would take this with a pinch of salt, but maybe their is some grain of truth in it. ‘Wokeness: the return of Medieval madness' 'Witch hunts, excommunication and iconoclasm are back with a vengeance.’ 'How much of what went on in the Middle Ages and early-modern periods do we look back on with abhorrence and a certain amount of perplexity? Burning witches at the stake, lynch mobs, self-flagellation – what possessed people to do such things, we wonder. But take a step back, look about and you see many of these practices are still flourishing today, though they go by different names. Here are just some of them. ‘Let’s start with excommunication. Excommunication meant so much more than being banned from taking communion. It involved you being shunned, shamed, spiritually condemned, even banished. Only through some kind of heavy penance – often a very public, lengthy and humiliating contrition – could you and your reputation be redeemed. Excommunication became a powerful political weapon. It was dished out to enemies of the faith to destroy their legitimacy. Often it was used as a punishment for sins as minor as uttering the wrong opinion. What are No Platforming and cancel culture if not a modern form of excommunication? Qualified, competent professionals are hounded out of their jobs and publicly shamed just for uttering the wrong opinion, often simply for a misjudged choice of words. Even just the wrong pronouns. As often as not, their employer wants a quiet life, so he bows to activist pressure and sacks the target of the witch hunt. Cancel culture is excommunication. Today’s religions, however, are not the many sects of Christianity that once perforated Europe, but climate change, education, the NHS, gay rights, trans rights, the European Union and multiculturalism. Even coronavirus and the lockdown have become sacrosanct. Articulate any kind of wrongthink and you risk the baying mob lynching you on social media and elsewhere for your heresy. You are put in today’s equivalent of the stocks while people jeer at you and humiliate you. Your career and reputation are burnt at the stake. The recent spate of statue destruction shows that iconoclasm – the belief that icons, images and monuments should be destroyed for religious or political reasons – is alive and well, too. Smear someone with labels like far right, transphobe, homophobe or – most effective of all – racist, and if the label sticks, that person is effectively excommunicated. It doesn’t matter if it means misreporting, quoting out of context, strawman arguments or intellectual dishonesty. The important thing is to get the smear to stick. Innocence is no defence. Nor was it in the witch trials of Medieval times, which were held before kangaroo courts of the local clergy. Meanwhile, anyone who defends the witch is assumed to be another witch, so most stay quiet. The Inquisition began in 12th-century France as a way to combat heresy and dissent. Who are today’s inquisitors and today’s priests? Social-justice warriors, climate-change activists, Guardian journalists, organisations such as Antifa – there is no shortage of woke police. ‘ You can read the full article here.
www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/29/wokeness-the-return-of-medieval-madness/
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Post by themirrorthief on Jul 2, 2020 0:16:42 GMT -5
the world is populated by fools who have never thought for themselves...most people must be told what to think and they will be shocked if you think any different...the decline of liberalism is a sad thing ...it has disappeared for ever it seems to me...now control, control, control, is all you encounter...so sad
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Post by robp on Jul 2, 2020 4:19:12 GMT -5
Or....maybe people are just getting fed up with all the crap that's been going on for the past few hundred years
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Post by kemp on Jul 5, 2020 6:30:19 GMT -5
'Sunk 8.5million litres of beer': Shocking scenes as Londoners hit the pubs again’ ‘Massive crowds of Londoners relinquishing in their first night out at the pub in more than three months have been caught on camera ignoring social distancing rules. Residents can be seen dancing and hugging in the streets as police try to monitor the revellers. Pubs, restaurants and hair salons opened on Saturday (local time) after a lengthy coronavirus lockdown. Some bars started serving from 6 am, sparking worries of over-indulgence on what the media dubbed a “Super Saturday” of restrictions being eased. The Sun newspaper predicted that 8.5 million litres of beer would be sunk in England in just 24-hours.’ au.news.yahoo.com/shocking-images-londoners-hit-the-pubs-virus-lockdown-end-030946741.htmlI think this is good news for Hun. Social distancing out the window, oh well, we are humans and not Vulcans after all.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 6, 2020 9:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:40:34 GMT -5
Yeah, unfortunately, still a problem in Mongolia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 14:24:19 GMT -5
Yeah, unfortunately, still a problem in Mongolia. Luckily its easily treatable these days with antibiotics.
It also exists in North America, apparently armadillos carry it and can transmit it to humans.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 7, 2020 6:26:40 GMT -5
Yeah, unfortunately, still a problem in Mongolia. Luckily its easily treatable these days with antibiotics.
It also exists in North America, apparently armadillos carry it and can transmit it to humans.
Yep. And armadillos are proliferating in my neck of the woods.
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