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Post by darklordbob on Feb 25, 2020 20:17:09 GMT -5
I suppose I'm just spoiled. When I look at Conan comics, this is what they get judged against:
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Post by Taurus on Feb 25, 2020 22:56:16 GMT -5
Thirteen year old boys are capable of drawing at this level. Marvel used to be a very good company back in the day. It's not too bad. Kinda reminds me of Mahmud Asrar's earlier work. When people get constantly exposed to bad things, they get used to it. You know, the art is not bad, I agree. But it is so far away from good. That is how I view it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 2:28:55 GMT -5
It's not too bad. Kinda reminds me of Mahmud Asrar's earlier work. When people get constantly exposed to bad things, they get used to it. You know, the art is not bad, I agree. But it is so far away from good. That is how I view it. By CROM & TENGRI, you're right. I know the art at Marvel is average at best. Nevertheless, I really can not expect any creative team to get anywhere near those great adaptations by Buscema, Alcala and the great filipino inkers of the 1970s. I'm kinda content with those early adaptations in the SSOC. In comparison, even Barry Windsor-Smith's rendition of Conan is found lacking, that includes Nord and Giorello, in my opinion, but that's just my own honest Hunnic opinion.
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Post by Taurus on Feb 26, 2020 7:19:02 GMT -5
I like Nord's take very much. His art even evolved by the time he abondoned Conan back in 2007. I am sure there are artists in Marvel that can do much better. But the problem is it is not of their interest to achieve better results. That I cannot understand.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 26, 2020 10:25:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately we're in an era of defining expectations down. You can have a good artist, but something just doesn't click (the Brian Ching run comes to mind, I liked his stuff previously but it didn't work on Conan). Sad to say, I'm happy when it's readable (the current one looks...ok to me) and that's all I expect. Something like what Cary & Tomas were doing, forget it. If it happens, that's great but I'm not expecting it. I'm also not running to spend any money this either.
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Post by wolfshead on Feb 26, 2020 11:22:59 GMT -5
I liked Cary Nord at first, then he got lazy. He literally had no background detail for pages on end. Regarding today's art, it's all cartoony flash without regard to anatomy, a hangover from the 1990's Manga and Rob Liefeld's cohort. The worst part of this is that it makes the Hyborian Age less real and therefore harder for a reader to suspend disbelief. When we look at the splash page for Black Colossus, that place is real, you can almost smell the atmosphere, and so everything else follows. Same for having a consistent chronology and backstory. Changing Conan's life story for little or no reason, makes him less substantial. Roy Thomas never tampered with Howard's vision, he added to it by scholarly study and reading between the lines, taking hints alluded to by Howard and expanding on them. It was all about respect. Now, it is only bombast. And whatever is written today, can be changed tomorrow. What's it all for, other than short-term profit?
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Post by mindboggled on Feb 27, 2020 0:25:24 GMT -5
The art looks like Asrar's, if you turn down the detail about twenty five percent.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 29, 2020 22:30:32 GMT -5
Read #13 tonight and the art is far from the problem here. I'd accept and take this artwork in a Conan comic, it's the creative direction from editorial that's not up to par.
#1 - Conan is 15 years old and left Cimmeria a few years ago...now he's in the Hyborian Age middle east? That doesn't fit with REH's continuity I don't think and seems like a stretch with him being so far East in only a few years.
#2 - Conan is able to best his foes in the feat of strength through "a lifetime of strength built through battle." He's only 15! That's not a very impressive lifetime even for a Cimmerian.
For the love of all the gods, was the editor asleep at his desk? This could all be easily solved by having Conan be 25 instead of 15. This is just nuts.
The continuity and weird choice for making Conan 15 aside, this was a pretty solid outing from Zub. I still don't think he's nailed Hyborian Age dialogue 100%, but I did like the addition of the interpreter and appreciated him bringing in a few different races of the Hyborian Age into this story.
Conan going up against another god is kind of redundant after we just had him going up against one in the opening arc, again, this is something the editor should have pointed out.
Do we know that this is going to be a 6 issue arc? If so, that's about 3 issues too many. Marvel really needs to keep these Sword & Sorcery tales to 3 or 4 issues at the very most.
First issue - Introduce the setting and place Conan in danger. Second and Third Issues - Action, Action, Action final issue - Wrap things up.
Conan, and sword-and-sorcery tales in general do not lend themselves to writing for the trade, unless you are adapting an existing REH yarn.
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Post by kemp on Mar 1, 2020 0:55:35 GMT -5
CtB 13 was a quick fun read, reminded me a little of one of those choose your own adventure fantasy gamebooks from the 80's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 2:30:29 GMT -5
CtB 13 was a quick fun read, reminded me a little of one of those choose your own adventure fantasy gamebooks from the 80's. Yeah, too much like one of those choose your own adventure fantasy gamebooks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 2:34:28 GMT -5
Why does Conan keep getting stabbed in the back on the last page whenever a new writer takes over CtB?
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Post by stubbs on Mar 1, 2020 3:48:02 GMT -5
Read #13 tonight and the art is far from the problem here. I'd accept and take this artwork in a Conan comic, it's the creative direction from editorial that's not up to par. #1 - Conan is 15 years old and left Cimmeria a few years ago...now he's in the Hyborian Age middle east? That doesn't fit with REH's continuity I don't think and seems like a stretch with him being so far East in only a few years. #2 - Conan is able to best his foes in the feat of strength through "a lifetime of strength built through battle." He's only 15! That's not a very impressive lifetime even for a Cimmerian. For the love of all the gods, was the editor asleep at his desk? This could all be easily solved by having Conan be 25 instead of 15. This is just nuts. The continuity and weird choice for making Conan 15 aside, this was a pretty solid outing from Zub. I still don't think he's nailed Hyborian Age dialogue 100%, but I did like the addition of the interpreter and appreciated him bringing in a few different races of the Hyborian Age into this story. Conan going up against another god is kind of redundant after we just had him going up against one in the opening arc, again, this is something the editor should have pointed out. Do we know that this is going to be a 6 issue arc? If so, that's about 3 issues too many. Marvel really needs to keep these Sword & Sorcery tales to 3 or 4 issues at the very most. First issue - Introduce the setting and place Conan in danger. Second and Third Issues - Action, Action, Action final issue - Wrap things up. Conan, and sword-and-sorcery tales in general do not lend themselves to writing for the trade, unless you are adapting an existing REH yarn. Unless I missed it, the only reference to his age is "the past few years since he left Cimmeria", which suggests 17-19 to me. Still tricky to fit with with REH continuity, but why do you think he's meant to be 15?
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Post by Jason Aiken on Mar 1, 2020 10:31:30 GMT -5
Read #13 tonight and the art is far from the problem here. I'd accept and take this artwork in a Conan comic, it's the creative direction from editorial that's not up to par. #1 - Conan is 15 years old and left Cimmeria a few years ago...now he's in the Hyborian Age middle east? That doesn't fit with REH's continuity I don't think and seems like a stretch with him being so far East in only a few years. #2 - Conan is able to best his foes in the feat of strength through "a lifetime of strength built through battle." He's only 15! That's not a very impressive lifetime even for a Cimmerian. For the love of all the gods, was the editor asleep at his desk? This could all be easily solved by having Conan be 25 instead of 15. This is just nuts. The continuity and weird choice for making Conan 15 aside, this was a pretty solid outing from Zub. I still don't think he's nailed Hyborian Age dialogue 100%, but I did like the addition of the interpreter and appreciated him bringing in a few different races of the Hyborian Age into this story. Conan going up against another god is kind of redundant after we just had him going up against one in the opening arc, again, this is something the editor should have pointed out. Do we know that this is going to be a 6 issue arc? If so, that's about 3 issues too many. Marvel really needs to keep these Sword & Sorcery tales to 3 or 4 issues at the very most. First issue - Introduce the setting and place Conan in danger. Second and Third Issues - Action, Action, Action final issue - Wrap things up. Conan, and sword-and-sorcery tales in general do not lend themselves to writing for the trade, unless you are adapting an existing REH yarn. Unless I missed it, the only reference to his age is "the past few years since he left Cimmeria", which suggests 17-19 to me. Still tricky to fit with with REH continuity, but why do you think he's meant to be 15? Look at the top of the credits page in the introductory text. Says he's seen 15 winters or something along those lines. If he's 15 or 17, regardless, it still doesn't fit. Needs to be in his early to mid 20's at least for exploring this area.
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Post by stubbs on Mar 1, 2020 11:45:14 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, the only reference to his age is "the past few years since he left Cimmeria", which suggests 17-19 to me. Still tricky to fit with with REH continuity, but why do you think he's meant to be 15? Look at the top of the credits page in the introductory text. Says he's seen 15 winters or something along those lines. If he's 15 or 17, regardless, it still doesn't fit. Needs to be in his early to mid 20's at least for exploring this area. It says "After fifteen winters, Conan the Barbarian headed south from his home in frozen Cimmeria" , the story is set some "few years" after that. But, I do agree that it's tricky to fit in a journey this far east continuity wise until later than that suggests. Continuity issue aside, I thought it was a pretty solid issue, looking forward to seeing where it goes.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Mar 1, 2020 12:15:23 GMT -5
Look at the top of the credits page in the introductory text. Says he's seen 15 winters or something along those lines. If he's 15 or 17, regardless, it still doesn't fit. Needs to be in his early to mid 20's at least for exploring this area. It says "After fifteen winters, Conan the Barbarian headed south from his home in frozen Cimmeria" , the story is set some "few years" after that. But, I do agree that it's tricky to fit in a journey this far east continuity wise until later than that suggests. Continuity issue aside, I thought it was a pretty solid issue, looking forward to seeing where it goes. Same, I'm optimistic about Zub but editorial needs to be more alert.
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