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Post by mingerganthecat on Jul 15, 2022 12:56:20 GMT -5
They also do it in the other direction. When my sister-in-law first moved to the South, she used to get mad about being called "ma'am" because she thought she wasn't old enough for it. Then she realized that her 10-year-old daughter was considered a "ma'am" down there too. Something your name reminds me of: a Southern man or woman who calls you "hun" probably isn't being deliberately condescending and isn't necessarily attracted to you. It's just the general Southern version of the Louisianan "cher." Fascinating, I think I've heard the southern version of 'hun' in movies/TV, books and stuff, same goes for 'ma'am' as you describe it. I probably first come across 'Cher' from Gambit in the X-Men. I'm from London, I find it amazing how much you can pick up from movies and TV, and obviously they sometimes get it very wrong - especially the other way round with Americans trying to speak in a Cockney accent. The only "TV Cockney" that I can remember was what I heard on Mary Poppins. You're not going to tell me that Dick Van Dyke was making that all up, are you?  Funnily enough, the only person I've ever actually known to use phrases commonly associated with the Cockney accent was a Welshman. |
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 15, 2022 14:00:50 GMT -5
per the story, Zenobia was a concubine of the Nemedian king, but he "never touched her"
Maybe she was a bit too old for the King? 30-35ish?
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Post by karasuthecrow on Jul 15, 2022 15:29:26 GMT -5
I'd imagine Zenobia is probably not a teenager, more likely in her twenties. REH did not use the word like that and the same can be said of Texans in general. Here's an extract from a post by our Deuce: In the South and all through Texas (and many of the border states) a female of any age may be referred to as "girl" or its dialectical variant, "gal". This includes old women saying it about other old women.swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/1627/threadHere's another example with REH talking to Novalyne Price: "I don't agree with a word you say about civilization, and unknown gods, and houses that appear and disappear and fall into ruin and suddenly build up again. But you've helped me more than anybody else who ever talked about writing."
His laugh was warm, exultant. He grabbed my hand and held it so tight I almost groaned.
"You stick with me, girl. I'll teach you a lot about civilization, about men, and about writing. You stick with me girl."As we drove back through Cisco, its main street with its dim, yellow street lights, looked wide and empty. The wind blew, and our car slipped silently through the town.
To make conversation, I said, " I really have to study my lessons for next week."
"What subjects did you tell me you teach?"
"I have one class in public speaking, two in freshman English, and two in ancient history."
"Ancient history? Now, there's a subject I'd like to teach. Do you study about Jenghiz Khan? A great man Jenghiz Khan. My favorite barbarian."
"Not in ancient history, but I've heard about him. An uncivilized barbarian, wasn't he?"
"Aha!" he said jubilantly. "That's where you're wrong. That's the tomfoolery they teach you in school. He was just as civilized, if you like the word, as the people he lived among. But what he wanted was different. The Mongols were warriors. Give a Mongol a good horse, and he'll conquer the world."I was inclined to argue. "When they conquered a city or state, didn't they destroy all the beautiful works of art?"
He shrugged that aside and went on with his story. " When his father died, he was just a kid, but his mother saw to it that he fulfilled his destiny. Any man who reaches greatness reaches it because of his mother."
I resented that statement.
Jenghiz Khan was a subject in which he seemed passionately interested. As he talked, with so much enthusiasm, I could think of him as a man whose eyes looked upon a time long since passed and forgotten by other men.
He described the land, the colors of Jenghiz Khan's robes, the horse he rode. As I listened, I knew what Jenghiz Khan experienced and thought. But I understood as one who plays a part in a play; you study the man ... you study the role ... you try to understand and experience him; then you try to reveal him to the audience. But in the final analysis, on stage, you create the illusion of reality. Bob was not acting. He was there. At that moment, he was Jenghiz khan, the barbarian, conqueror of an empire.
It overwhelmed me. " How do you know so much about him - Jenghiz Khan? History books don't tell you these things. History books don't describe. They recount."
"I was there, girl!" Exultantly. "I rode with Jenghiz Khan." Novalyne Price Ellis, One Who Walked Alone: Robert E. Howard, the Final Years, p.63-4 Thans for the information HUN, english its not my mother and language and also am not from the USA, making me sometimes to take the English too literal. |
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Post by zarono on Jul 18, 2022 7:36:34 GMT -5
per the story, Zenobia was a concubine of the Nemedian king, but he "never touched her" Maybe she was a bit too old for the King? 30-35ish? True, she could be that old. If the seraglio of Tarascus is anything like that of the Ottomans it probably consisted of hundreds (thousands?) of girls. I figure Zenobia to be early to mid 20's just based on how she is portrayed in the story. |
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Post by zarono on Jul 18, 2022 7:47:05 GMT -5
They also do it in the other direction. When my sister-in-law first moved to the South, she used to get mad about being called "ma'am" because she thought she wasn't old enough for it. Then she realized that her 10-year-old daughter was considered a "ma'am" down there too. Something your name reminds me of: a Southern man or woman who calls you "hun" probably isn't being deliberately condescending and isn't necessarily attracted to you. It's just the general Southern version of the Louisianan "cher." Fascinating, I think I've heard the southern version of 'hun' in movies/TV, books and stuff, same goes for 'ma'am' as you describe it. I probably first come across 'Cher' from Gambit in the X-Men. I'm from London, I find it amazing how much you can pick up from movies and TV, and obviously they sometimes get it very wrong - especially the other way round with Americans trying to speak in a Cockney accent. Hun, hunney, sugar/sugah, sweetie, darlin, travel through the southern states and eat at some Waffle Houses you'll hear them all eventually. |
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 18, 2022 7:51:09 GMT -5
An O'Charlie's waitress here in Tennessee referred to my wife as "Sweet Mamma".
My wife didn't like it much, but I picked it up and call her that when I'm feeling reckless.
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Post by zarono on Jul 18, 2022 8:15:10 GMT -5
An O'Charlie's waitress here in Tennessee referred to my wife as "Sweet Mamma". My wife didn't like it much, but I picked it up and call her that when I'm feeling reckless. You truly live without fear! |
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 18, 2022 9:51:55 GMT -5
An O'Charlie's waitress here in Tennessee referred to my wife as "Sweet Mamma". My wife didn't like it much, but I picked it up and call her that when I'm feeling reckless. Bless your heart. |
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Post by karasuthecrow on Jul 18, 2022 13:01:46 GMT -5
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