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Post by eja on Mar 16, 2019 10:13:56 GMT -5
It would appear that Marvel's first Conan run was already pretty much in canon to the main Marvel universe, i.e. Earth-616. The characters of Red Sonja and Kulan Gath, both of whom originated in the pages of CtB, went on to appear in an issue of MARVEL TEAM-UP where Spider-Man joined Sonja (whose spirit temporarily possessed the body of Mary Jane Watson via Sonja's ancient sword in a museum) to battle Gath. Gath went on to appear in a storyline spanning several issues of UNCANNY X-MEN where he transformed New York into a version of Hyboria, and was last seen in a story in an AVENGERS comic in the 90s.
Also, when Marvel were doing their ATLANTIS ATTACKS mega-storyline across the bulk of their comics, one comic briefly recounted the events of CONAN THE BUCCANEER (which I know originated as a prose novel, but Marvel had already adapted it in SSOC).
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Post by terryallenuk on Mar 16, 2019 13:32:24 GMT -5
To me the only canon MU is the one created by Stan , Jack , Steve etc. which of cause was based on the Timely one. Although Marvel have used elements of the Hyborian Age grafted on , incl.the odd cameo/guest appearance , it's no different to Rom , Micronauts , Transformers etc. which have since disappeared. That includes Red Sonja too of course as she's at Dynamite. BTW anyone with the CtB omnibus do they thank Dynamite for using the issues she's in?
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Post by eja on Mar 17, 2019 13:42:18 GMT -5
I also count all the Rom and Micronauts stuff as canon to Earth-616.
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Post by almuric on Mar 17, 2019 17:20:05 GMT -5
One of Kurt Busiek's early Avengers stories had Kulan Gath changing the modern world back into an age undreamed of, complete with She-Hulk in Red Sonja outfit.
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Post by eja on Mar 18, 2019 5:02:55 GMT -5
One of Kurt Busiek's early Avengers stories had Kulan Gath changing the modern world back into an age undreamed of, complete with She-Hulk in Red Sonja outfit. Yes, I have that. This to me proves that at least some of Marvel's first Conan run is canon to Earth-616. |
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Post by Kavyk Takayashi on Mar 18, 2019 10:11:32 GMT -5
In the early issues he runs into Odin. Ok, not officially Odin but the grim grey god is definitely him.
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Post by eja on Mar 18, 2019 11:48:32 GMT -5
In the early issues he runs into Odin. Ok, not officially Odin but the grim grey god is definitely him. I reckon that was Buri, Odin's grandfather. |
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Post by eja on Dec 7, 2019 5:54:38 GMT -5
Today I'd like to talk about how, in Marvel's Conan stories set in the modern era, Conan is apparently able to converse easily with characters from current times despite coming from many thousands of years in the past, long before the English language existed. Now in AVENGERS: NO ROAD HOME, when Wanda arrives in the Hyborian Age, she and Conan can talk to one another. But then Wanda is a super-powerful witch, so it wouldn't be difficult for her to cast a translation spell for herself here. But once other Avengers arrive in this time, they too can instantly understand not only Conan but other people in the Hyborian era too. The best explanation for this I can think of is that, since Wanda is nearby in all instances where Conan converses with the Avengers, she's likely broadcasting a wide-length translation spell to everyone in the immediate vicinity.
But, of course, the oddities don't end there. Once Conan is separated from Wanda and the others, finds himself marooned in the modern age's Savage Land, and shows up in SAVAGE AVENGERS, the language barrier still isn't a problem. So I'm thinking either Wanda's spell is still somehow active with him, despite her not being anywhere around, or something else happened to him between his final appearance in AVENGERS: NO ROAD HOME and his first in SAVAGE AVENGERS.
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Post by darklordbob on Dec 7, 2019 9:17:59 GMT -5
Doom mentions in the latest Savage Avengers that Conan has "a spell on his tongue so we can communicate." Wanda's magic must still be working its mojo. Either that or Cimmerian is indistinguishable from English.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 10:05:52 GMT -5
It would have been great if they allowed the Cimmerian to demonstrate his linguistics skills in the modern Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, it's an attribute of Conan that is often overlooked. It beats the dumbed down rendition of Conan we've had to tolerate in some of the recent comics by Marvel.
Conan don't really need the spell from the Scarlet Witch - he's a natural Polyglot.
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Post by wolfshead on Dec 7, 2019 11:03:28 GMT -5
This just shows the utter stupidity of bringing Conan to the present and beyond (Buzz Lightyear). Anything can be justified by "magic", but then nothing has meaning. What's the point of anything? Conan dies for one issue in CtB, becomes an immortal in 2099, and in the future, due to magic or a deux ex machina, anything and everything can happen and then be undone. What a waste of a truly unique and original character and concept (the Hyborian age).
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Post by boot on Apr 15, 2020 0:05:50 GMT -5
A friend of mine gave me an older copy of the Marvel Universe Encyclopedia (from 2008). It includes every character in the Marvel Universe up until the book was printed.
What's interesting is that Conan is not considered part of the Marvel Universe, at least, not back then, even though Conan The Barbarian was Marvel's number one best selling book.
That makes sense to me. He is a character of the Hyborian Age, not Marvel's universe.
Also interesting is that Kulan Gath, one of Conan's sorcerous enemies, IS part of the Marvel Universe (most likely due to the cross-overs the character has).
I do wish that was the case today. Keep Conan in the Hyborian Age. I despise the cross-overs into other worlds and universes.
And, Conan being Marvel's best selling book--you wouldn't know that by today's stuff. It's pitiful. I'm trying, desperately, to get through the Belit trade. And, I just don't like it. I have zero motivation to pick it up and finish it. My feeling to pick up and read the Conan titles is a little stronger, but not by much. I'm trying to get through Conan The Gambler (TPB) as well, and, again--I put it down, and it doesn't really call me back for more.
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Post by stubbs on Apr 15, 2020 3:26:31 GMT -5
Marvel didn't have the rights to Conan in 2008, so they couldn't include him. I'm assuming they retained the rights to Kulan Gath because he first appeared in a Marvel comic rather than in a Howard tale.
I'm pretty sure the Hyborian Age was considered the past of the Marvel Universe when they first had the rights to Conan, by some writers at least. Events like Atlantis Attacks referred to it, Ulysses Bloodstone was meant to be from Vanaheim, and characters like Varnae and Kulan Gath appeared in the Hyborian Age and the modern Marvel Universe. Whether Conan appeared in Marvel Handbooks etc at the time I'm not sure.
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Post by kemp on Apr 15, 2020 7:00:08 GMT -5
Back in the original SSOC era I never considered Conan's Hyborian Age as part of the Marvel Universe. I always viewed Conan' s world as eventually turning into our 'modern' world, not the one with The Avengers and Spider-Man.
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Post by terryallenuk on Apr 15, 2020 13:03:28 GMT -5
Marvel didn't have the rights to Conan in 2008, so they couldn't include him. I'm assuming they retained the rights to Kulan Gath because he first appeared in a Marvel comic rather than in a Howard tale. I'm pretty sure the Hyborian Age was considered the past of the Marvel Universe when they first had the rights to Conan, by some writers at least. Events like Atlantis Attacks referred to it, Ulysses Bloodstone was meant to be from Vanaheim, and characters like Varnae and Kulan Gath appeared in the Hyborian Age and the modern Marvel Universe. Whether Conan appeared in Marvel Handbooks etc at the time I'm not sure. Conan's Universe had its own handbook back in 1986 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Handbook_of_the_Conan_Universe |
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