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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 0:48:01 GMT -5
Yep. Hand drawn animation is mostly just for TV anymore and I don't even know how much of that is hand drawn either. For a Fleischer animated Conan film instead of Mr. Bug Goes To Town... I'm unfamiliar with those names. Upon looking up there animation style...I can't say it would fit very well. Maybe a style more in vain with the traditional concept art shown for this film. Or outsource the animation to a Japanese animation studio that would be capable of pulling off the right look. Yeah, I agree, hand-drawn animation would be the best way to go for an adaptation for a Conan movie or series. The problem is that it is so time consuming these days it really has to be a labor of love. Very few modern animators have the the necessary skills to animate through observation with drawn keyframes, they rely on rotoscoping by tracing over video footage of a character/actor in movement. I know it was popular to send the storyboards/animatics or rough keyframes to Japan a few years ago - it then shifted over to Korea.
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Post by johnnypt on May 10, 2019 7:06:49 GMT -5
Yep. Hand drawn animation is mostly just for TV anymore and I don't even know how much of that is hand drawn either. For a Fleischer animated Conan film instead of Mr. Bug Goes To Town... I'm unfamiliar with those names. Upon looking up there animation style...I can't say it would fit very well. Maybe a style more in vain with the traditional concept art shown for this film. Or outsource the animation to a Japanese animation studio that would be capable of pulling off the right look. I was thinking a Fleischer film in the style of Gulliver's Travels and the Superman series, with rotoscoping and their innovative use of 3-D traveling models for the backgrounds (Popeye Meets Sinbad the Sailor would also be a template for some of this). These days, hand drawn animation would unfortunately be done on the cheap.
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Post by mindboggled on May 18, 2019 20:44:05 GMT -5
I'm unfamiliar with those names. Upon looking up there animation style...I can't say it would fit very well. Maybe a style more in vain with the traditional concept art shown for this film. Or outsource the animation to a Japanese animation studio that would be capable of pulling off the right look. Yeah, I agree, hand-drawn animation would be the best way to go for an adaptation for a Conan movie or series. The problem is that it is so time consuming these days it really has to be a labor of love. Very few modern animators have the the necessary skills to animate through observation with drawn keyframes, they rely on rotoscoping by tracing over video footage of a character/actor in movement. I know it was popular to send the storyboards/animatics or rough keyframes to Japan a few years ago - it then shifted over to Korea. Have you seen Red Line? It came out back in 2009, it's fully animated by hand! Took six years to make, the film is a labor of love. If only Conan could get that kind of love and respect.
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Post by darthgall on May 22, 2019 15:56:35 GMT -5
My comment from the Black Gate article, cuz it's relevant here too:
I recently watched a few episodes of “Love, Death & Robots” on Netflix; there’s some hard science fiction stories with a very realistic animation style, and a dark Warhammer 40K aesthetic. I enjoyed the show, but part of me kept asking “Why can’t we get some good fantasy in this style? Conan? Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser? Hell, even Pathfinder?”
For this style of animation, see the episodes: “Sonnie’s Edge”, “Beyond the Aquila Rift”, “Shape-Shifters”, “Lucky 13” and “The Secret War” (this one gets bonus points for being very Lovecraftian).
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I get the appeal of hand-drawn, but the economic factors would not allow that. Hell, Disney has abandoned it and Disney practically owned the art form for half a century.
CGI, done right, would be a perfect vehicle with a good writer/director/composer.
And if David Fincher would get behind a project like that with Conan? Could be something really special...
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Post by theironshadow on Jan 6, 2020 13:54:52 GMT -5
Sorry to dig this one out of the archive, gents, but a thought occurred to me; Conan's has a new home at Marvel and by that also Disney,
1) How much of Red Nails The Movie was actually completed before they ran out of finance? Looking at the article that was published over at Blackgate suggested that the film never entered full production, but the full 1 minute of animation we have seen goes way beyond either pitch material or animations tests considerably. 2) Does Cabinet Holdings now old those assets after the film failed to be finished? 3) Could Malmberg convince Disney to finish the film to television standard to test the water for further Conan media, either live-action or otherwise?
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Post by terryallenuk on Jan 7, 2020 14:03:23 GMT -5
1. Don't know 2. Imagine so 3. IIRC the _plan_was to come out around the time of/just after the last film , so building on the success of that but of course that didn't happen so we might have to wait till a film/tv series ever gets made.Not sure if Conan would fit with Disney's animation plans and Marvel have plenty of their own characters to introduce.
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Post by attilaman66 on Jan 7, 2020 22:38:36 GMT -5
Disney might test the waters with their planned "What If" animated series on their service. We may see a Conan vs Cap what if episode.
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Post by theironshadow on Jan 9, 2020 13:40:28 GMT -5
1. Don't know 2. Imagine so 3. IIRC the _plan_was to come out around the time of/just after the last film , so building on the success of that but of course that didn't happen so we might have to wait till a film/tv series ever gets made.Not sure if Conan would fit with Disney's animation plans and Marvel have plenty of their own characters to introduce. Disney could throw less than the full cost of an episode of The Mandalorian at this film and not break a sweat; Mando costs $15m per episode, so if Disney gave Cabinet $10m to finish the film with strict instructions on going over budget, i'm extremely confident that Malmberg could find an asian animated studio to complete the film. The number of direct-to-blu ray animated features that Warner produces is huge. Financial risk? Probably a pittance to the mighty Disney empire...
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 9, 2020 15:05:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed on that. Disney made tons of dough with the animated and Marvel films, but they certainly weren't thrilled with losing money on John Carter and Lone Ranger. They could've kept the John Carter rights and try to make it up in other ways, but they cut it loose. They're not going to spend money unless there's a clear plan to make it back.
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Post by theironshadow on Jan 11, 2020 8:23:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed on that. Disney made tons of dough with the animated and Marvel films, but they certainly weren't thrilled with losing money on John Carter and Lone Ranger. They could've kept the John Carter rights and try to make it up in other ways, but they cut it loose. They're not going to spend money unless there's a clear plan to make it back. John, if Disney aren't willing to drop $10m on finishing Red Nails, that would suggest the idea of a live action adaptation of Howard's works is not even a consideration. Seriously, finishing up RN is the best way to test the fan base interest without a massive investment. Or Cabinet could take it to Netflix (but not Prime i imagine.)
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 11, 2020 8:41:59 GMT -5
You have to remember this would also be the same film company that may make $1 billion on the latest Star Wars movie and consider it a disappointment because they probably overspent on production and marketing. Plus it’s always tricky picking up someone else’s project. They may end up salvaging what looked like a train wreck with New Mutants, but that was basically done and ended up in the laps with the Fox purchase. RN would be going out and trying to make a success out of a project the original makers couldn’t get off the ground. I think it’d be a hard sell even with a relatively small outlay and there’s no guarantee of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 8:50:37 GMT -5
Here's a recent twitter thread concerning the Red Nails animation (Fredrik Malmberg in red):
@conancomicbooks Follow Follow @conancomicbooks More Absolutely. Still disappointed that “Red Nails” never happened.
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10:30 am - 10 Jan 2020 19 Likes Grinosmar carlosmatthew coxAidan Half-Troll⚔️ David J. West ⚔️SFFaudioSami SadekSmokesnFeathersVarangian Vigilante 4 replies . 0 retweets 19 likes Reply 4 Retweet Like 19 New conversation
Sami Sadek@skullgrin140 19h19 hours ago More Replying to @conancomicbooks A really missed opportunity, especially seeing as this had quite a decent little voice cast behind this and we never heard much of them. 1 reply . 0 retweets 3 likes Reply 1 Retweet Like 3
⚔️ David J. West ⚔️@david_JWest 19h19 hours ago More I was really hankering for that one. The concept art was great. 0 replies . 0 retweets 3 likes Reply Retweet Like 3 End of conversation
Fredrik Malmberg@fredmalmberg 19h19 hours ago More Replying to @conancomicbooks A lot of people are. 0 replies . 0 retweets 2 likes Reply Retweet Like 2
Tanner Migneault (Or Maze for my Pen Name)@tanner4991 19h19 hours ago More Replying to @conancomicbooks It would have been CGI. The 2D art looks great, but I think they should have stuck to Cells. 0 replies . 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like
Jason Lenox - Illustrator@lenoxartist 15h15 hours ago More Replying to @conancomicbooks Agreed... bummed this didn't occur.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 11:00:27 GMT -5
Seeing as how it's becoming unlikely that we'll get any sort of live action Conan maybe they can try and use what exists of this project to try and get an animated series made. Something mature like Castlevania on netflix. It might be better than trying to resurrect a project which might look dated by now.
Interesting tidbit regarding red nails, apparently Mark Schultz was never paid for his art which was shown earlier in this thread.
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 11, 2020 12:49:20 GMT -5
Seeing as how it's becoming unlikely that we'll get any sort of live action Conan maybe they can try and use what exists of this project to try and get an animated series made. Something mature like Castlevania on netflix. It might be better than trying to resurrect a project which might look dated by now. Interesting tidbit regarding red nails, apparently Mark Schultz was never paid for his art which was shown earlier in this thread. The last statement is another reason why others won't want to go near this project, who knows how many other people like Mark there are that were involved in this and didn't get compensated for what they did. If someone wants to do anything, at this point best to start from scratch. We could've had that with Amazon but...
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Post by terryallenuk on Jan 11, 2020 13:48:24 GMT -5
Malmberg has been saying for years now things are happening , but no sign of a cartoon , film , TV series or even the pastiche novels. I think I've given up waiting for anything from Cabinet.
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