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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 18:41:28 GMT -5
What's wrong if we get black Conan? Well among other things it means a proper badass Imaro movie would get harder to make. "Black barbarian warrior, didn't they just do that?" Imaro movie or TV series sounds like a great idea. |
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Post by bonesaw on May 12, 2021 6:18:27 GMT -5
It would be much different if these casting decisions felt like they were happening organically. They aren't though.
For me it becomes a problem when it is constantly connected to politics and "social justice." Again- I will point to the very first element that went into the casting decision for The Force Awakens. Was it about what made sense for the overall story? No. Was it about what made sense for the overall character in the larger context of that fictional setting? No. What you have a director coming away from The Golden Globe Awards complaining about how white the room was- cause too much white people is bad, and connecting that to his first decision of how to cast the movie. It was immediately political and precisely where I wrote it off. It isn't even so much about what particular race is being replaced with whatever other race- it's that this platform of creativity and art is immediately tainted with a political agenda. It then becomes propaganda to me. Haven't watched a single one of the new Star Wars movies, never will and told my kids they were garbage. Just like I won't buy Coke products and now Disney. Take me back to the 80's where there was all kinds of movies and TV shows that were diverse and there was hardly a shred of this kind of undermining bullshit.
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Post by BlackHeart on May 12, 2021 7:29:22 GMT -5
I agree with Bonesaw. Everything today is political propaganda in this anti-white current. I have nothing against blacks, asians, hindi or characters of any race. Elba and L Jackson are among the favorite actors; as a kid I was in love with Halle Berry (ššš), but we need to step on the brakes with some things.
There are two alternate universe Superman - Val Zod and Calvin Ellis. The stories about them are good and that would be a very good film adaptation. But no - here Kal El will be turned into a black man purely to support a rather Gestapo vision of the world through rose-tinted glasses. And that's an idea that even most people in the black population condemn - I know. I had contacts with many people on social networks. Iām a big DC fan like many of them.
The same thing is happening now with Sonja, with many characters going through that forced blackwashing, and thatās a mistake. They did the same with Black Cannary in a very poor BoP flick, and she is a blue-eyed, blonde girl in comics.
Netflix has turned elves that are not found in African folklore into blacks. Witcher, as far as I remember, is based on Slavic mythology, and nowhere is there any mention of people with black skin in it.
I donāt like the famous āitās a fantasy worldā because itās no excuse. There are much more creative ways to show diversity, especially in Howard's world. The biggest fear that fans around the world have when it comes to Conan is just that - how much modern Hollywood will destroy him, adapting it to modern agendas. In one group, a picture of the Doctore from Spartacus was dropped, with the words that as younger, he would be an extraordinary Conan! šµ Many even supported the idea! So you think ...
There are so many beautiful things of African folklore, tribal history and what not, that are worth high-budget adaptations, that it is sad that no one invests in it. If you are going to support diversity already, do it the right way, not in this deceptive way. Therein lies a real treasure of different cultures, but the support of others is placed only through the butchering of already existing material.
A character who came into being as a white man should remain white. And, if we already do it this way today, why don't we have some future adaptation of Shaka Zulu with a leader who is white? He came from somewhere, stayed there and led the people into battle. Why wouldn't Gilgamesh be someone like Dolph Lundgren? Racism is also attacking whites persistently. All races are equal, right?
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Post by kemp on May 12, 2021 8:31:28 GMT -5
I suppose if you really wanted to portray Sonya the right way for a Hyrkanian you would make her look Eurasian, and not like a Vanir or a type of Hyborian. As Hun noted though, there is some variation amongst the Steppe peoples when it comes to their appearance, some may look European, many in the east will have Mongol features, and then you get a whole plethora of people with various Eurasian features. I donāt know, maybe they thought of a certain red haired Russian Slav when they gave her that look from the comics, also the vague relationship to the non Hyrkanian Sonya of Rogatino from REHās yarns, an eastern Slav by origin. Our favourite chainmail bikini clad heroine owes more to that white Slavic image than to REHās Turkic/Mongol Hyrkanians. Of course, as with many things there is some overlap. Interesting to note that the highest frequency of red hair in Europe comes from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and in the middle of European Russia.  |
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Post by johnnypt on May 12, 2021 8:45:39 GMT -5
Odd there's that one patch in NW Russia. Will have to ask the GF how prevalent redheads were in her area of Ukraine (a few hours south of Kiev).
But otherwise, it is sort of spread where the real world "Vanir" would've been and/or conquered.
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Post by kemp on May 12, 2021 8:52:59 GMT -5
With the red hair and chain/scale mail bikini, as in this cover work, Hannah John Karmen almost gets away with it as Red Sonya, not Roy Thomas creation pale, somewhat like REH's tall dark and slender westerly Hyrkanians, although I think Kamen's height is probably average or slightly above the average height for women and her features arguably more Euro African than Eurasian.  |
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Post by kemp on May 12, 2021 9:21:54 GMT -5
Interesting to note that historically redheads have traditionally faced a form of prejudice at different times, mostly depictions or associations. I think some call the term 'Gingerism'.
When I visited the Coal Creek historical town in southern Victoria earlier in the year I noticed an old shop advert from the 1800's for new staff with a 'Redheads and Catholics need not apply' section.
'When red-headed people are above a certain social grade their hair is auburn.ā ā Mark Twain
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Post by monolith on May 12, 2021 11:07:59 GMT -5
Odd there's that one patch in NW Russia. Will have to ask the GF how prevalent redheads were in her area of Ukraine (a few hours south of Kiev). But otherwise, it is sort of spread where the real world "Vanir" would've been and/or conquered. There is a large number of redheads here in Scotland, perhaps historically all that Dane and Viking incomers influence is plain to see. Affectionately know as "Ginger haired" here. I have know quite a few Ukrainian redheads. It seems a geographically northern trait. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 11:53:46 GMT -5
I suppose if you really wanted to portray Sonya the right way for a Hyrkanian you would make her look Eurasian, and not like a Vanir or a type of Hyborian. As Hun noted though, there is some variation amongst the Steppe peoples when it comes to their appearance, some may look European, many in the east will have Mongol features, and then you get a whole plethora of people with various Eurasian features. I donāt know, maybe they thought of a certain red haired Russian Slav when they gave her that look from the comics, also the vague relationship to the non Hyrkanian Sonya of Rogatino from REHās yarns, an eastern Slav by origin. Our favourite chainmail bikini clad heroine owes more to that white Slavic image than to REHās Turkic/Mongol Hyrkanians. Of course, as with many things there is some overlap. Interesting to note that the highest frequency of red hair in Europe comes from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and in the middle of European Russia. That bit in Russia is very close to the area where you can find the Tatars, Chuvash, Mordvin & the Mari, it seems Red Hair is more prominent in Russia where the Altaic, Uralic and Slavic peoples converge.  |
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Post by johnnypt on May 12, 2021 14:06:20 GMT -5
You realize we've put far more thought into this than the filmmakers likely did.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 14:41:59 GMT -5
You realize we've put far more thought into this than the filmmakers likely did. By Crom & Erlik, you're right  I'm certain it'll still be a great movie with the Zingorian Empire forming an alliance with their Venndyian neighbours invading the Hirkanyans from the north. Thankfully, Red Sonja's Hirkanyans will fight to the last man, woman and pony culminating in a 4 hour long battle where the heroic Sonja and remaining valiant Hirkanyans make their defiant last stand at the Great Wall of Wang-Tengri! By Crom it'll be a movie of EPIC proportions |
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Post by kemp on May 13, 2021 2:13:10 GMT -5
That bit in Russia is very close to the area where you can find the Tatars, Chuvash, Mordvin & the Mari, it seems Red Hair is more prominent in Russia where the Altaic, Uralic and Slavic peoples converge. It is at that, interesting. I would think the red haired Turkish actress Elcin Sangu would have been perfect for Red Sonja, her features would have suited the comic book creation. Her background is Circassian, a people of the northern Caucasus.  |
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Post by johnnypt on May 13, 2021 7:58:59 GMT -5
It is at that, interesting. I would think the red haired Turkish actress Elcin Sangu would have been perfect for Red Sonja, her features would have suited the comic book creation. Her background is Circassian, a people of the northern Caucasus. You can just imagine the old fashioned Hollywood mogul looking for the star of his next big film, turning away everything he sees, gets this picture..."THAT'S HER!" In her imdb photos, she'd need to bulk up a little, but based on the hair, she'd get it   www.imdb.com/name/nm5724370/mediaviewer/rm2522627584/ |
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Post by crimsonblade on May 13, 2021 8:37:18 GMT -5
That bit in Russia is very close to the area where you can find the Tatars, Chuvash, Mordvin & the Mari, it seems Red Hair is more prominent in Russia where the Altaic, Uralic and Slavic peoples converge. It is at that, interesting. I would think the red haired Turkish actress Elcin Sangu would have been perfect for Red Sonja, her features would have suited the comic book creation. Her background is Circassian, a people of the northern Caucasus. Wow Ms. Sangu is stunning. She needs to be Sonja! |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 10:09:53 GMT -5
It is at that, interesting. I would think the red haired Turkish actress Elcin Sangu would have been perfect for Red Sonja, her features would have suited the comic book creation. Her background is Circassian, a people of the northern Caucasus. Yeah, she could definitely portray Red Sonja - she's also kinda connected to REH's Shadow of the Vulture in the advert below with Meryem Uzerli (Meryem portrayed Roxalana in the Turkish series the Magnificent Century). Meryem Uzerli | ElƧin Sangu | Elidor SaƧ Reklamı |
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