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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 12, 2021 11:07:34 GMT -5
I have been meaning to create this thread for some time. Having just reread an excellent article by Leo Grin using the Wayback Machine, I thought perhaps I should finally start up this thread. One of the problems, I find, with Howardom, is that the really good articles are spread across such disparate sources, ranging from old forums, blogs, and other websites that are no longer available. The old Conan.com is gone, the old REHupa blog is gone, and the old Robert E. Howard Foundation, which had much more content than the current website has, is also gone. Gone, but not forgotten. Gone, but actually, by courtesy of the Wayback Machine, still available. If you are not familiar with the Wayback Machine, it is courtesy of the Internet Archive, which trolls through websites taking snapshots of them in time, so you can search websites at different points in time or, if the website is gone, still find it in their archive. I have used it to prove points, document things that people tried to scrub from the Internet, and to track down lots of old REH articles.  "In Defense of Hester Jane Ervin Howard" by Leo GrinOne of the best articles written about Hester Howard is by Leo Grin and is titled, "In Defense of Hester Jane Ervin Howard." It was posted on The Cimmerian blog. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine. You can read the article here: web.archive.org/web/20110708132217/www.thecimmerian.com/in-defense-of-hester-jane-ervin-howard/If you don't believe me that the article is great, read Rusty Burke's response to the article on the archived REHupa website: web.archive.org/web/20141231094557/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=450So, for anyone with time, trolling old long lost articles on Howard on the web using the Wayback Machine, post them here so they continue to be available to fans of REH today. |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 14, 2021 9:24:42 GMT -5
"The De Camp Controversy" by Morgan HolmesLately, for some unknown reason, I keep coming across articles written by Morgan Holmes, who most agree probably is probably the most knowledgeable person on the pulps, especially when it comes to Sword-and-Sorcery. One article I kept seeing referenced was the "De Camp Controversy." I finally found a website that had all 16 parts with links. Awesome. Until I linked to them. Unfortunately, the old REHupa website links on the web today take you to the REHupa Facebook page which is nowhere near as useful and, of course, the article was not there. Well, thanks to the trusty, though sometimes clunky, Wayback Machine, I found the article. If you have never read about the background regarding L. Sprague de Camp and Howard's fiction, you will probably find this of some interest. Part 1: web.archive.org/web/20120111090740/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=250Part2: web.archive.org/web/20141025010535/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=255Part 3: web.archive.org/web/20130614132200/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=258Part 4: web.archive.org/web/20130614143917/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=272Part 5: web.archive.org/web/20130616013340/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=286Part 6: web.archive.org/web/20141025010536/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=309Part 7: web.archive.org/web/20120131015629/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=330Part 8: web.archive.org/web/20141025010538/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=354Part 9: web.archive.org/web/20141025010539/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=373Part 10: web.archive.org/web/20140802073343/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=392Part 11: web.archive.org/web/20141025010536/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=454Part 12: web.archive.org/web/20140802073801/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=461Part 13: web.archive.org/web/20141025010540/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=480Part 14: web.archive.org/web/20141025010534/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=499Part 15: web.archive.org/web/20141025010538/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=545Part 16: web.archive.org/web/20140802085830/http://www.rehupa.com/?p=562 |
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Post by bulbous on May 14, 2021 9:56:39 GMT -5
Thanks, Line Faced for rescuing these articles. Rob Roehm's site, Howard History ( www.howardhistory.com ) has a few of his articles from his researches on it, but also lists several that he wrote for Damon Sasser's REH: Two Gun Raconteur site that can only be accessed by the wayback machine now. Interested folks should go find the article title that interests them and go find and read it from the wayback. I wish we had been able to get all of Damon's articles gathered together and saved to be placed elsewhere online for fans and scholars. |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 14, 2021 12:54:50 GMT -5
Thanks, Line Faced for rescuing these articles. Rob Roehm's site, Howard History ( www.howardhistory.com ) has a few of his articles from his researches on it, but also lists several that he wrote for Damon Sasser's REH: Two Gun Raconteur site that can only be accessed by the wayback machine now. Interested folks should go find the article title that interests them and go find and read it from the wayback. I wish we had been able to get all of Damon's articles gathered together and saved to be placed elsewhere online for fans and scholars. Thanks for the kind words. That is somewhat my motivation behind this thread--to make available some of the old articles by Sasser, Leo Grin, Rusty Burke, etc. I have found them to be incredibly helpful, but woefully difficult to find. The Wayback Machine is not the most stable of platforms by which to search or move around a website, but it is certainly better than nothing. If anyone else has a favorite article not available on today's web, but you can link to using the Wayback Machine--please, post it here! |
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Post by docpod on May 14, 2021 19:38:43 GMT -5
There are people such as John Gunnison and Doug Ellis who know more about the pulps than I do. What I do know is sword & sorcery type fiction in the pulps (and other venues). Now if you could just find all the installments I did on GHOR, KINSLAYER. I fear some are lost as there was never a back up at archive.org of that period.
I wrote a couple related blog posts that tied into "The de Camp Controversy." One was about de Campistas and another was on watch out or Sprague will psychoanalyze you.
Morgan
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 14, 2021 19:54:30 GMT -5
There are people such as John Gunnison and Doug Ellis who know more about the pulps than I do. What I do know is sword & sorcery type fiction in the pulps (and other venues). Now if you could just find all the installments I did on GHOR, KINSLAYER. I fear some are lost as there was never a back up at archive.org of that period.
I wrote a couple related blog posts that tied into "The de Camp Controversy." One was about de Campistas and another was on watch out or Sprague will psychoanalyze you.
Morgan
Awesome! Glad to hear from you. I just finished writing a comment to you for the August issue of REHupa today. For about the past two months, I keep coming across many of your old articles, as well as new posts, and those by others who make the comment that you recommended some book to them. I have been ordering a lot of these books as of late and they range, in my opinion, from great to really awesome (You'll see in the June issue, I read a lot). I have probably another six in the TBR bookshelf and today I ordered two de Camp books (Gary would be proud), two of his historical novels, based on your recommendation in the "De Camp Controversy" article. I am always reading, "Morgan recommended this book to me . . ." Not sure why all of a sudden I have seen so many posts referencing you, but it seems everyone agrees that your knowledge of the pulps, especially for all things Sword-and-Sorcery, is quite impressive. Based on my luck with what you have recommended so far, especially those things I have never heard of, I am becoming a believer. I did see both of the de Camp articles you mentioned. I'll add those to this thread. Not sure about the GHOR, KINSLAYER though. What was that posted to? Will |
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Post by docpod on May 14, 2021 22:22:04 GMT -5
I did a blog post on every chapter of GHOR, KINSLAYER for REHUPA.com after I wrote "The de Camp Controversy." Some are at archive.org. Some I have not found. Like you said, wayback is clunky.
Morgan
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Post by Von K on May 17, 2021 11:44:18 GMT -5
I did a blog post on every chapter of GHOR, KINSLAYER for REHUPA.com after I wrote "The de Camp Controversy." Some are at archive.org. Some I have not found. Like you said, wayback is clunky. Morgan Hope you manage to track them all down Morgan. I'd like to read it. Did anyone community ever keep a full site backup? |
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Post by docpod on May 17, 2021 21:06:04 GMT -5
Someone does have a full back up but needs to put it back on a blog site but is not interested in doing it. So we are left attempting to find stuff at archive.org. I don't everything was backed up there and there are probably some things that are lost. Morgan |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 18, 2021 11:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by Von K on May 18, 2021 16:23:53 GMT -5
Someone does have a full back up but needs to put it back on a blog site but is not interested in doing it. So we are left attempting to find stuff at archive.org. I don't everything was backed up there and there are probably some things that are lost. Morgan It can be time consuming and complex dealing with backups, and also maintaining sites like rehupa and the rehf, but at least there's hope the missing chapters of your Ghor series may still exist in some form. |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 19, 2021 5:42:49 GMT -5
 It is my understanding that before The Swords of Robert E. Howard there was Conan.com message board. As docpod had me curious about how far back the Wayback Machine reaches, here is a link to the Conan.com Message Board from 20 years ago (May 16, 2001 snapshot). Click on Regular Version and then Message Board--though the rest of the old website is interesting too. web.archive.org/web/20010516015242/http://www.conan.com/ |
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Post by johnnypt on May 19, 2021 8:26:53 GMT -5
Boy, that was before I started there!
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 19, 2021 9:07:55 GMT -5
Boy, that was before I started there! It really is quite fascinating to troll through these old websites. Though much more "primitive," it is interesting that not much has changed. Plus, there are some really good articles out there. |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on May 19, 2021 9:14:16 GMT -5
REH: Two-Gun Raconteur (Post 1)In looking over the old REH: Two-Gun Raconteur website, it seems that it dates back to sometime in 2004/2005. Here is a screenshot of the June 24, 2005 capture:  And here is the Link: web.archive.org/web/20050624015449/http://www.rehtwogunraconteur.com/It seems it was mostly a vehicle for highlighting the physical publication of the zine by the same name from Sasser.
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