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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 14:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 14:34:05 GMT -5
There was a novel awhile back called Shadows Bend. REH is a character in it. I haven't read (much of) it, but it sounds like the novel drops the ball as a work of fiction and as a portrayal of REH. www.sfsite.com/12a/sb94.htmdustandcorruption.blogspot.com/2010/05/shadows-bend-by-david-barbour-and.htmlHere's a sample. This prose doesn't read well to me. www.oocities.org/ifenkl/shadows.htmlProbably 10yrs before that book was published, I came up with the idea of stories about characters based on REH, CAS and HPL set at the end of the Thurian Age. "Based on" would be the operative phrase there. You could put all three through adventures they could only dream of, and if some characteristic was slightly "off" it wouldn't be nearly as bad as screwing up the actual people like this novel. I still think the idea sounds fun.
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 14:43:49 GMT -5
This is just wacky. Howard's The Shadow Kingdom (1st King Kull story) was published in August, 1929. Almost exactly a year later, Michael J. Cullen started the first modern supermarket and named his chain " King Kullen": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kullenwww.kingkullen.com/about-us/Probably a coincidence, but wacky. I bet they sold Marvel's "King Kull" comics on their newsracks in the '70s.
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Post by kullagain on Mar 14, 2016 17:05:31 GMT -5
There was a novel awhile back called Shadows Bend. REH is a character in it. I haven't read (much of) it, but it sounds like the novel drops the ball as a work of fiction and as a portrayal of REH. www.sfsite.com/12a/sb94.htmdustandcorruption.blogspot.com/2010/05/shadows-bend-by-david-barbour-and.htmlHere's a sample. This prose doesn't read well to me. www.oocities.org/ifenkl/shadows.htmlProbably 10yrs before that book was published, I came up with the idea of stories about characters based on REH, CAS and HPL set at the end of the Thurian Age. "Based on" would be the operative phrase there. You could put all three through adventures they could only dream of, and if some characteristic was slightly "off" it wouldn't be nearly as bad as screwing up the actual people like this novel. I still think the idea sounds fun.I always wanted to write a fan fic with Lovecraft and Howard together in some form because I'm one of those "team Howard" fans that just doesn't get how much he and others admired Lovecraft so much, while still understanding it on some level. I thought a fan fic would have been a great avenue for that since we could see them arguing and maybe sharing tender moments of friendship where they explain the inspiration for their viewpoints from events they have encountered in their lives. Not too long ago, I finished a non-fanfic story that ended with two detectives beginning to investigate a massacre at a rich man's ritual in the near future. The two were just intended to represent certain aspects of a seemingly supernatural entity but I thought in a spin off they would work additionally as at least slight analogues to Howard and Lovecraft, I even named the more REH one Gorman lol.
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 17:28:27 GMT -5
The first "King Kull" in comics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kull_(DC_Comics)KK was created by Otto Binder. Otto worked for Otis Adelbert Kline. Kline was an author (not very good) and also a literary agent. Howard's literary agent. We even have a letter from Binder talking about REH's suicide. It is likely (but not proven) that Binder took the unfinished REH Almuric draft and (using REH's detailed synopsis) completed the novel. Not much doubt where Binder got the name and some of the concepts for his "King Kull". I'd have to say he was probably a Howard fan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Binder
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Post by zarono on Mar 15, 2016 7:43:31 GMT -5
There was a novel awhile back called Shadows Bend. REH is a character in it. I haven't read (much of) it, but it sounds like the novel drops the ball as a work of fiction and as a portrayal of REH. www.sfsite.com/12a/sb94.htmdustandcorruption.blogspot.com/2010/05/shadows-bend-by-david-barbour-and.htmlHere's a sample. This prose doesn't read well to me. www.oocities.org/ifenkl/shadows.htmlProbably 10yrs before that book was published, I came up with the idea of stories about characters based on REH, CAS and HPL set at the end of the Thurian Age. "Based on" would be the operative phrase there. You could put all three through adventures they could only dream of, and if some characteristic was slightly "off" it wouldn't be nearly as bad as screwing up the actual people like this novel. I still think the idea sounds fun. I've read it and didn't like it, pretty dull as I recall. Clark Ashton Smith also makes a brief appearance in it, it may be the only work of fiction I know of where he is presented as a character using his real name, so maybe that counts for something.
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Post by zarono on Mar 15, 2016 7:58:38 GMT -5
The vampire snake people on the "From Dusk to Dawn" tv series can cast the illusion of being their recent victims so maybe they took some inspiration from REH's serpent men. A character also mentions the movie version of Thulsa Doom and another immortal character was a prolific pulp writer so I guess those could be tips of the hat to Howard.
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Post by deuce on Mar 15, 2016 8:07:01 GMT -5
The vampire snake people on the "From Dusk to Dawn" tv series can cast the illusion of being their recent victims so maybe they took some inspiration from REH's serpent men. A character also mentions the movie version of Thulsa Doom and another immortal character was a prolific pulp writer so I guess those could be tips of the hat to Howard. We know Rodriguez is a Howard fan.
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Post by deuce on Mar 16, 2016 8:53:40 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Mar 16, 2016 10:51:36 GMT -5
This would be under "Poorly Researched REH Stuff in Pop Culture": thealexandrian.net/wordpress/37154/roleplaying-games/eternal-lies-books-of-the-los-angeles-cult-cults-library-part-1If you scroll down, you'll read this: "CHILDREN OF THE NIGHT AND NAHUA LEGENDS
This late-19th century volume is a curious blend of archaeological surmise and mythography. The author, Rupert Mulholland, catalogues a number of curiously anachronistic sites scattered throughout the eastern portion of Central America. Each site is marked by a cluster of earthen domes, with low doorways that are uniformly sunk into the ground. From the surface, these structures are largely unremarkable, but the dwelling-places are connected by underground corridors, so that the entire village would become like an ant-bed or a system of snake holes. Mulholland also reports some evidence that other subterranean corridors might run off under the ground, perhaps emerging long distances from the village (although he was never able to find their points of exit in wider surveys).
Mulholland links these curious communities to an obscure cycle of Nahua legends concerning the “children of the night” (or, in some translations, the “children of the earth”). These mischief-makers and outlaws are often described as being somehow reptilian in character with a particularly jaundiced complexion; some accounts even going so far as to describe them as being “yellow-scaled”.
In this, Mulholland draws heavily upon Evidences of Nahua Culture in Yucatan, despite this work apparently having been widely discredited by Professor Tussman of Sussex. Mulholland insists, however, that the linguistic inconsistencies highlighted in Tussman’s work are, in fact, evidence for an unrecorded epoch of cultural invasion among the Nahua tribes and that the legends of the Children of the Night are a reflection of that lost period of Mesoamerican history.
Of particular interest, perhaps, are the vestigial myth cycles which the author traces back to the obscure Nahua tribes which migrated to the Yucatan peninsula. These refer to the Children of the Night as being “chosen by the God of the Black Stone” and also claim that they “carry the legacy of the Isle of the Gods”. They are somehow connected to a people referred to as the Xoxul (which translates roughly as “the tribe of strangers”) and Mulholland is able to clearly delineate a myth cycle in which a “jewel” or “key” (or possibly “jewel-key”) is said to have been taken from the Xoxul and hidden away somewhere in Honduras. (The author makes some effort to correlate this legendry with tales from the Pipil tribes of El Salvador, the southern-most survivors of the Nahua migrations, but it seems that any surviving myths have become thoroughly muddled by a transmigration of Mayan cultural influences.)"The author, is Justin Alexander (aka "Justin Bacon"). He's known for his Legends and Labyrinths game. Obviously, he's read Howard's Children of the Night and The Thing on the Roof. How the hell he managed to shift everything 40-50yrs back to the 19th century, I just don't understand. You see this kind of slipshod crap all the time when it comes to REH in gaming.
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Post by deuce on Mar 19, 2016 18:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Mar 22, 2016 15:51:32 GMT -5
The Curse of the Golden Skull from 2005: www.imdb.com/title/tt0766209/Here's the single "review": "Your head will spin with the nonstop action and cutting edge effects. You like intrigue? You got it. You like men in suspicious outfits? You got it! You like myths? legends? heroes? No problem. The ever-sexy El Tigre Diablo will draw the ladies, and their menfolk will stay around for the DANGER. The plot revolves around a cursed skull and the hijinks of good versus evil as the skull changes hands time and time again. Who ends up with the precious object? You'll have to watch to find out! This movie is a fast-paced adventure filled with witty dialog, Three's Company scenarios, and goomba suits. Non-stop action provided by the Sacramento area's finest. Bring us more!" Shot in Sacramento for (apparently) $3500, this looks like a winner. What it has to do with the Kull story, I don't know, but any movie filmed in California's capital which features "lovecraft" and "luchador" as plot keywords has to be great. I'm not sure this clip of the same name has anything to do with the above:
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Post by deuce on Mar 22, 2016 16:07:23 GMT -5
I'd like to point out right now that, as far as extensive googling can determine, there was never a story/film/anything named "The Curse of the Golden Skull" before Howard's (semi-)Kull yarn was published in 1967. Somehow, a lot of people have heard of it, though none seem to have read it.
Here's the complete album from Clairvoyant (2011):
Not bad, actually, but the title tune has nothing to do with the REH story.
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Post by deuce on Mar 24, 2016 18:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Jan 19, 2017 13:43:21 GMT -5
Gary Lachman devotes almost an entire chapter to REH in Turn Off Your Mind: books.google.com/books?id=rGSnH3z3G84C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq="a.+merritt"+influence+moorcock&source=bl&ots=-SdPASbVZt&sig=qVpmRqsgKRl566LmEoDanvCnBgY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBg6DL6s7RAhUP22MKHYw_ApQQ6AEISTAJ#v=onepage&q=%22a.%20merritt%22%20influence%20moorcock&f=false He makes a few minor mistakes and posits some arguable theories, but he's done his research.
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