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Post by hyrkanian on Feb 7, 2022 6:19:13 GMT -5
I hope we will see Asian actors in the roles of elves.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 7, 2022 6:41:20 GMT -5
I hope we will see Asian actors in the roles of elves.
Gotta be diverse Instead of announcing these things in advance "we're doing this in the name of that", they should just, you know, do it, cast whoever you want. People watching won't notice, but they actually will subconsciously.
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Post by bonesaw on Feb 11, 2022 14:09:17 GMT -5
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 11, 2022 14:29:14 GMT -5
There's the one picture of the dude that looks like he's hanging out at Starbucks that made me go "Why use that one?" But it generally looks like they're following the PJ template (for good or ill depending on how you like the films). I'll certainly give it a chance, but they could definitely screw it up. The thing with the Second Age is you don't have a story you strictly have to follow but it also gives you so much leeway you have to be disciplined to keep focus on the story you do end up telling.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 12, 2022 14:27:25 GMT -5
I do hope Glorfindel does show up and make Al Harron happy. He was NOT happy about the charge to Arwen in Fellowship (I was in favor of it instead introducing a character who really wouldn’t do anything the rest of the story, shades of Tom Bombadil). It sounds like they have a solid five season story planned so hopefully plenty of time to introduce other characters. They did mention including Isildur so it looks like the final season will included the Last Alliance in some form.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 13, 2022 21:23:51 GMT -5
Your minute long look is here
Some parts of it actually look like how I pictured how the Silmarillion would look so they've at least done well there. Story, acting...have to wait until September.
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Post by monolith on Feb 14, 2022 3:56:52 GMT -5
I always think a teaser trailer is like reading the back cover blurb on a book. Looks promising. As you say Johnny, we will know if it is a good adaption this September.
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Post by hyrkanian on Feb 14, 2022 4:18:33 GMT -5
It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.” - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series
"There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves." - Peter Jackson,
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Post by bonesaw on Feb 14, 2022 6:59:54 GMT -5
I actually introduced my eleven year old to the LOTR trilogy over the weekend- the special extended versions on bluray. He was completely captivated by it. One of my other three sons, an eight year old, wandered in and sat down close to the beginning of Fellowship and was also mesmerized....and this little guy who never sits still was like a statue, even during the slower dialogue heavy scenes. I was pretty amazed. I was hoping that through all the garbage that kids watch now that is out there on YouTube (though I try my best to limit their screen time) these movies would be special for them and man, was I happy to see them be taken by it. We got through a little more than half of the Two Towers ending when Sauromon reveals his army scene "A new Power is rising!" Perfect time to break from it.
Something occurred to me. And since the precedent is to talk this way these days within identity politics...I think the LOTR Trilogy is the last great white man's movie.
Top comment on YT...
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt” - J.R.R. Tolkien
Also, from the preview- when the girl stabs her dagger into the mountainside of ice...that looked pretty bad, did it not?
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Post by darthgall on Feb 14, 2022 12:57:19 GMT -5
Something occurred to me. And since the precedent is to talk this way these days within identity politics...I think the LOTR Trilogy is the last great white man's movie. Also, from the preview- when the girl stabs her dagger into the mountainside of ice...that looked pretty bad, did it not? Really don't know how to decode this comment... -last great movie made by a white man? (Also, are you seriously saying there's been no great white-directed movies since 2003?) -last great movie about a white man? -last movie about a great white man? About the preview... yes, some of the special effects looked too bright/painterly/animated... maybe that's the look they want for some shots, but for the action ones I'm guessing the SFX people just hadn't gone through and applied the "grit" filter...
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 14, 2022 13:41:43 GMT -5
Also, from the preview- when the girl stabs her dagger into the mountainside of ice...that looked pretty bad, did it not? Funny thing is that's the shot that made me say "that's how the Silmarillion looks in my mind!" I do need to get the Extended Editions on Blu-ray, but I would want the ones that have the Appendicies with them instead of just the movies. Those appendicies for both LoTR and the Hobbit should be watched by every film student on how a film gets made, all you have to do, what could go wrong, etc. They are streaming on HBO Max and I have the downloaded versions of the Hobbit ones. I'd love for my son to watch them, but he has to balance out his screen time between school, having fun and all. We just did the Great Escape this weekend, that was one of the longest films he's seen.
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Post by bonesaw on Feb 14, 2022 14:28:07 GMT -5
Something occurred to me. And since the precedent is to talk this way these days within identity politics...I think the LOTR Trilogy is the last great white man's movie. Also, from the preview- when the girl stabs her dagger into the mountainside of ice...that looked pretty bad, did it not? Really don't know how to decode this comment... -last great movie made by a white man? (Also, are you seriously saying there's been no great white-directed movies since 2003?) -last great movie about a white man? -last movie about a great white man? About the preview... yes, some of the special effects looked too bright/painterly/animated... maybe that's the look they want for some shots, but for the action ones I'm guessing the SFX people just hadn't gone through and applied the "grit" filter... I consider the LOTR film trilogy to be among the timeless, classic movies, like Gone With the Wind, The Godfather, Casablanca and others that are considered in that elite category. I mean, that's just me. They click on all cylinders that way hitting perfect tens in almost every category- the source material, casting, acting, dialogue, cinematography, score, etc. There is an argument for it at least. Sometime, I don't know, maybe ten years ago around Obama's era when identity politics and literal demographic quotas started to show up everywhere and are now institutionalized, it marked a new era in fiction for me- a very, very unlikable one. While yes, there has always been elements of politics in some movies and TV, it was never to this degree. It is a major problem when, and I mean this quite literally, the first decisions about how to create a piece of fiction revolves around representation of racial demographics in order to maintain a level of perceived "diversity," quotas regardless of anything else- that piece of work has now become propaganda that is necessary and driven primarily from one side of the political spectrum. Now, when you take Tolkien's obvious themes, tradition and history and how he described his beloved creation, I am again pretty sure this is an extreme example of that same agenda destroying something in the name of diversity above all else. I'm pretty sure Tolkien would not approve of what this looks like. (On a side note: Did read somewhere that this is also going to include sex scenes??? Yeah, again, not Tolkien at all.) Only now, after ten years of sifting through propaganda in media searching for anything that does not appear to be politically driven (regardless of race) am I forced to recognize this as a conclusion. The LOTR trilogy existed before any of this propaganda-saturated timeline. It was made from a white man's tremendous vision based on European lore and literature and it casted white people and was unashamed to do so in its staying accurate to the source material. It could never be made today because it would have too many white people in it.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 14, 2022 17:35:38 GMT -5
No, no sex scenes. The showrunner shot that one down. This show will sort of act as a counterpoint to Game of Thrones if it's done correctly and if it carries its story all the way through. I think Wheel of Time will end up sort of in the middle, grittier than LOTR but not as rough as GoT at its best.
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Post by robp on Feb 15, 2022 4:56:04 GMT -5
Something occurred to me. And since the precedent is to talk this way these days within identity politics...I think the LOTR Trilogy is the last great white man's movie. Top comment on YT... “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt” - J.R.R. Tolkien Also, from the preview- when the girl stabs her dagger into the mountainside of ice...that looked pretty bad, did it not? "In 1968, Tolkien objected to a description of Middle-earth as "Nordic", a term he said he disliked because of its association with racialist theories."
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 17, 2022 11:19:47 GMT -5
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