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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:55:20 GMT -5
Greek gibberish may be "Scythian": news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140923-amazon-greek-vase-translations-science/I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this. The Scythians were Indo-Europeans. That's nailed down pretty tight. While very cool, the Circassians are not Indo-Europeans. Perhaps it's analogous to the Cossack situation 2000yrs later, where the original Cossacks (on the whole) were Slavic Indo-Europeans, but then they later incorporated a lot of Circassians. Yeah, this is a strange one. The Ossetic language, which is an Iranic language is still spoken in the Caucasus today. They are said to be the descendants of the Alans. But the expert on rare Caucasian languages Colarusso translates the 'gibberish' as ancient Circassian. 'On the vase, some characters speak decipherable Greek phrases, but the policeman says something that sounds like "noraretteblo," meaningless in Greek. Colarusso, blind to the scene on the vase, translated the phrase into "This sneak thief steals from the man over there" in ancient Circassian.'
Followed by another Caucasian language, Abkhazian! 'On the Amazon vases, Colarusso found an archer named Battle-Cry, a horsewoman named Worthy of Armor, and others with names such as Hot Flanks that probably had erotic connotations. On one vase, a scene of two Amazons hunting with a dog appears with a Greek transliteration for the Abkhazian word meaning "set the dog loose." ' What other languages were found in the translations was not stated - was there more Caucusian or an Indo-European language like ancient Ossetian? Maybe it's something like how the Greek and Roman historians would anachronistically call the Huns, Goths, Alans and other tribes Scythians? All three tribes spoke different languages, but that did not matter to the Romans. That's probably what the Greeks did with this 'gibberish' Any tribesman north of the Black Sea or Caucasus was simply seen as a Scythian; just like the Huns and Goths were centuries later.
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Post by trescuinge on Apr 12, 2016 22:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by ironhand on Apr 14, 2016 4:28:01 GMT -5
Greek gibberish may be "Scythian": news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140923-amazon-greek-vase-translations-science/I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this. The Scythians were Indo-Europeans. That's nailed down pretty tight. While very cool, the Circassians are not Indo-Europeans. Perhaps it's analogous to the Cossack situation 2000yrs later, where the original Cossacks (on the whole) were Slavic Indo-Europeans, but then they later incorporated a lot of Circassians. Yeah, this is a strange one. The Ossetic language, which is an Iranic language is still spoken in the Caucasus today. They are said to be the descendants of the Alans. But the expert on rare Caucasian languages Colarusso translates the 'gibberish' as ancient Circassian. 'On the vase, some characters speak decipherable Greek phrases, but the policeman says something that sounds like "noraretteblo," meaningless in Greek. Colarusso, blind to the scene on the vase, translated the phrase into "This sneak thief steals from the man over there" in ancient Circassian.'
Followed by another Caucasian language, Abkhazian! 'On the Amazon vases, Colarusso found an archer named Battle-Cry, a horsewoman named Worthy of Armor, and others with names such as Hot Flanks that probably had erotic connotations. On one vase, a scene of two Amazons hunting with a dog appears with a Greek transliteration for the Abkhazian word meaning "set the dog loose." ' What other languages were found in the translations was not stated - was there more Caucusian or an Indo-European language like ancient Ossetian? Maybe it's something like how the Greek and Roman historians would anachronistically call the Huns, Goths, Alans and other tribes Scythians? All three tribes spoke different languages, but that did not matter to the Romans. That's probably what the Greeks did with this 'gibberish' Any tribesman north of the Black Sea or Caucasus was simply seen as a Scythian; just like the Huns and Goths were centuries later. Graphic medium with pictures of sexy, exotic females, associated with captions and quotes? Sounds like a graphic novel to me...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:16:29 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a strange one. The Ossetic language, which is an Iranic language is still spoken in the Caucasus today. They are said to be the descendants of the Alans. But the expert on rare Caucasian languages Colarusso translates the 'gibberish' as ancient Circassian. 'On the vase, some characters speak decipherable Greek phrases, but the policeman says something that sounds like "noraretteblo," meaningless in Greek. Colarusso, blind to the scene on the vase, translated the phrase into "This sneak thief steals from the man over there" in ancient Circassian.'
Followed by another Caucasian language, Abkhazian! 'On the Amazon vases, Colarusso found an archer named Battle-Cry, a horsewoman named Worthy of Armor, and others with names such as Hot Flanks that probably had erotic connotations. On one vase, a scene of two Amazons hunting with a dog appears with a Greek transliteration for the Abkhazian word meaning "set the dog loose." ' What other languages were found in the translations was not stated - was there more Caucusian or an Indo-European language like ancient Ossetian? Maybe it's something like how the Greek and Roman historians would anachronistically call the Huns, Goths, Alans and other tribes Scythians? All three tribes spoke different languages, but that did not matter to the Romans. That's probably what the Greeks did with this 'gibberish' Any tribesman north of the Black Sea or Caucasus was simply seen as a Scythian; just like the Huns and Goths were centuries later. Graphic medium with pictures of sexy, exotic females, associated with captions and quotes? Sounds like a graphic novel to me... DC/Elseworlds presents: Hot Flanks the Circassian vs Wonder Woman
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Post by ironhand on Apr 18, 2016 5:47:22 GMT -5
A Crossover! Should it appear in a comic book or a vase?
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Post by deuce on Apr 21, 2016 9:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Apr 23, 2016 15:56:34 GMT -5
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Post by thatericn on Apr 25, 2016 23:38:24 GMT -5
Greek gibberish may be "Scythian": news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140923-amazon-greek-vase-translations-science/I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this. The Scythians were Indo-Europeans. That's nailed down pretty tight. While very cool, the Circassians are not Indo-Europeans. Perhaps it's analogous to the Cossack situation 2000yrs later, where the original Cossacks (on the whole) were Slavic Indo-Europeans, but then they later incorporated a lot of Circassians. I would think that many of the cultures butting up against the Caucasus, and visa-versa could pick up language elements and bits of population as they went by. Same for the Balkans. Running into some non-Indo-European words from neighboring region, seemed to have been helpful. The whole pageant of "eastern" IE horse cultures, Cimmerian, Scythian, Sarmatian, Alan, Saka, Tocharian, etc.. are quite fascinating. It seems that the nickname-name tradition has been known for a while, Pressfield's weird, wonderful "Last of the Amazons" has many of the lady warriors going by such names. Very interesting stuff.
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Post by deuce on Apr 26, 2016 8:03:20 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Apr 26, 2016 8:56:17 GMT -5
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