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Post by gary on Apr 27, 2024 12:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by terryallenuk on Apr 27, 2024 12:31:53 GMT -5
Excellent article
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Post by Von K on Apr 27, 2024 16:55:32 GMT -5
Thanks Gary that's a great thorough overview! Whoever picks up the Conan RPG license next would be wise to get Vincent on their team.
In one of my Conan fanfics The Shadow in the Flame (the shadow being an eidolon of Thoth) Conan gets caught up in a feud between Thoth-amon and the last of the rebel wizards he threw down. Thoth barely even acknowledges Conan's existence in that yarn, much less treat him like a nameless spear carrier.
One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB?
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Post by alexander on Apr 28, 2024 5:44:31 GMT -5
Thanks Gary that's a great thorough overview! Whoever picks up the Conan RPG license next would be wise to get Vincent on their team. In one of my Conan fanfics The Shadow in the Flame (the shadow being an eidolon of Thoth) Conan gets caught up in a feud between Thoth-amon and the last of the rebel wizards he threw down. Thoth barely even acknowledges Conan's existence in that yarn, much less treat him like a nameless spear carrier. One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB? Hi Von K, Is this fanfic available somewhere? |
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Post by Von K on Apr 28, 2024 19:27:13 GMT -5
Thanks Gary that's a great thorough overview! Whoever picks up the Conan RPG license next would be wise to get Vincent on their team. In one of my Conan fanfics The Shadow in the Flame (the shadow being an eidolon of Thoth) Conan gets caught up in a feud between Thoth-amon and the last of the rebel wizards he threw down. Thoth barely even acknowledges Conan's existence in that yarn, much less treat him like a nameless spear carrier. One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB? Hi Von K, Is this fanfic available somewhere? It was written back in 2013, about 12,000 words, set in Yaralet, and followed the material in REH's Yaralet fragment; but I've never yet re-posted it since the old Conan forum was retired.
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Post by alexander on Apr 29, 2024 8:26:00 GMT -5
Hi Von K, Is this fanfic available somewhere? It was written back in 2013, about 12,000 words, set in Yaralet, and followed the material in REH's Yaralet fragment; but I've never yet re-posted it since the old Conan forum was retired.
Too bad. I've read Solomon Kane fanfic that were way better than the official pastiches (including the most recent one). I've got my hands on The Tomb of the Ykarhu and plan to read it tomorrow while I travel. |
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Post by gary on Apr 30, 2024 12:08:21 GMT -5
One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB? I believe that to be so. If you look at the original version of "The Phoenix on the Sword" published in the Del Rey book, it suggests that further confrontations with Thoth-amon would occur. REH obviously liked the character using him in different stories. But, yeah, I think the rejection of "The God in the Bowl" was a turning point. I think we would have gotten more Thoth otherwise. But, of course, only speculation. |
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Post by Von K on Apr 30, 2024 17:10:52 GMT -5
It was written back in 2013, about 12,000 words, set in Yaralet, and followed the material in REH's Yaralet fragment; but I've never yet re-posted it since the old Conan forum was retired.
Too bad. I've read Solomon Kane fanfic that were way better than the official pastiches (including the most recent one). I've got my hands on The Tomb of the Ykarhu and plan to read it tomorrow while I travel. Thanks! Like my other REH fanfics it was probably written with a kind of naive enthusiasm, and maybe wears it's fanfic-ness on it's sleeve to some degree. I'll look into dusting off Shadow and perhaps re-posting it after some editing.
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Post by Von K on Apr 30, 2024 17:19:54 GMT -5
One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB? I believe that to be so. If you look at the original version of "The Phoenix on the Sword" published in the Del Rey book, it suggests that further confrontations with Thoth-amon would occur. REH obviously liked the character using him in different stories. But, yeah, I think the rejection of "The God in the Bowl" was a turning point. I think we would have gotten more Thoth otherwise. But, of course, only speculation. Glad to know that someone else agrees with the potential for that speculation! I guess you already know how REH was a big fan of Sax Rohmer with several of Sax's books in his collection. Now I'm gonna have to re read that original Phoenix version because I managed to miss that last time I read it.
Do you know if SdC had read the original version of Phoenix?
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Post by gary on Apr 30, 2024 20:39:24 GMT -5
Doubtful that Sprague read the original transcript before the Gnome or Conan series. I believe Glenn found the original in "the trunk." There is a paragraph toward the end of the original transcript that talks about the hand of Stygia. That suggests REH was planning a bigger role for Thoth-amon IMHO.
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Post by Von K on May 1, 2024 12:50:07 GMT -5
Doubtful that Sprague read the original transcript before the Gnome or Conan series. I believe Glenn found the original in "the trunk." There is a paragraph toward the end of the original transcript that talks about the hand of Stygia. That suggests REH was planning a bigger role for Thoth-amon IMHO. Thanks for the info Gary. I'll be giving the original version of Phoenix a re-read soon to refresh my memory.
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Post by BlackHeart on May 4, 2024 3:27:54 GMT -5
Thanks Gary that's a great thorough overview! Whoever picks up the Conan RPG license next would be wise to get Vincent on their team. In one of my Conan fanfics The Shadow in the Flame (the shadow being an eidolon of Thoth) Conan gets caught up in a feud between Thoth-amon and the last of the rebel wizards he threw down. Thoth barely even acknowledges Conan's existence in that yarn, much less treat him like a nameless spear carrier. One speculation I wondered regarding Thoth-amon is - was REH angling toward building him into a kind of Fu Manchu of the Hyborian Age, but nixed the idea after FW rejected tGitB? I remember a fanfic on an old forum, where Thoth made a golem Conan, and sent him to kill (with the aim of turning the city authorities on his rival?)... I don't remember who wrote it. But I would like to read it again. I miss the old site. |
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Post by Von K on May 4, 2024 16:17:54 GMT -5
You should focus on your own stuff Blackheart, and maybe the deep well of Serbian/Balkan history from which you can draw for inspiration. Do for Serbian S+S what Sapkowski did for Polish perhaps? How is your medieval Byzantium empire yarn going?
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Post by BlackHeart on May 5, 2024 17:34:28 GMT -5
I salute you, my friend VK 🍻😎 I'm working on it. I have a character that I am developing through a variant of the history/sword and sorcery adventure, who was actually a historical figure. Prince Vlastimir, the last Serbian pagan ruler. One story was even published in a fantasy magazine here. There is interest for more, so I started working on the collection. Almost three are done.
As for Byzantium novel, I can say we're currently in "development hell" with that story ✌️ Although there is interest for it as well, because most of what was written was liked by the people I work with.
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Post by Von K on May 5, 2024 18:24:23 GMT -5
I salute you, my friend VK 🍻😎 I'm working on it. I have a character that I am developing through a variant of the history/sword and sorcery adventure, who was actually a historical figure. Prince Vlastimir, the last Serbian pagan ruler. One story was even published in a fantasy magazine here. There is interest for more, so I started working on the collection. Almost three are done. As for Byzantium novel, I can say we're currently in "development hell" with that story ✌️ Although there is interest for it as well, because most of what was written was liked by the people I work with. Great to hear you're working on a short story collection Blackheart! That was how Sapkowski got his start. You will no doubt pick up skills and knowledge writing that which will hopefully help you out with the novel at a later stage. We can talk more about this in your thread in the Fan section if you want (don't want to derail Gary's thread).
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