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Post by lordyam on Dec 18, 2016 4:23:27 GMT -5
Maybe so but I was certainly caught off guard. Also Kyrylo already killed Tarsalyn; Conan killed Kyrylo and we realize that Kyrylo did in fact regret everything he'd done. Overall it was still a good issue and I'm looking forwards to Conan vs the ghostly benefactor
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Post by mrp on Dec 18, 2016 17:55:38 GMT -5
Maybe so but I was certainly caught off guard. Also Kyrylo already killed Tarsalyn; Conan killed Kyrylo and we realize that Kyrylo did in fact regret everything he'd done. Overall it was still a good issue and I'm looking forwards to Conan vs the ghostly benefactor It was a good issue except when you take into consideration I paid $4 to read a story I had already paid $4 to read from Cullen Bunn before. If I am going to keep paying $4 an issue, I expect more than rehashed plot twists from his previous work with the characters filed down and replaced with Conan and then served as something new. The problem is I have read a lot of Bunn's stuff before and I know he is capable of doing fantastic stuff. When he was announced I thought he would be a perfect fit based on his work on Helheim and The Sixth Gun. I just wasn't expecting to get his work from Helheim and The Sixth Gun reheated as a Conan story. -M
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 18, 2016 20:21:41 GMT -5
That's the issue sometimes when you're reading someone you know very well in a new gig. A couple of of Kurt's Conan issues dealt with some of the same issues he did in Avengers in the same type of "in between story arcs" issues. I didn't really know Bunn's work, so I don't have the same reference base. But as a Howard Hawks fan as well as Edgar Rice Burroughs, I've had the discussion more than once about whether an artist is being repetitive or dealing with new issues by telling the same story over again. Are they relying on the same bag of tricks or are they trying to fit it into a larger framework (like Mignola jamming frogs into Hall of the Dead).
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Post by mrp on Dec 18, 2016 22:03:46 GMT -5
That's the issue sometimes when you're reading someone you know very well in a new gig. A couple of of Kurt's Conan issues dealt with some of the same issues he did in Avengers in the same type of "in between story arcs" issues. I didn't really know Bunn's work, so I don't have the same reference base. But as a Howard Hawks fan as well as Edgar Rice Burroughs, I've had the discussion more than once about whether an artist is being repetitive or dealing with new issues by telling the same story over again. Are they relying on the same bag of tricks or are they trying to fit it into a larger framework (like Mignola jamming frogs into Hall of the Dead). Exploring the same themes is one thing, that's part of the author's voice. Using the same exact plot twists over and over though, ooh it's undead that when you kill it another undead pops out of it, shocking except when Bunn uses the trick every time he writes undead, so as soon as you see Conan vs. the undead, you're like wait for it, he'll kill one and another pops out to attack him when he's not expecting it. And then you build up a villain and finally put the hero against him and the hero's going to kill him, oops it was really a supporting cast member hidden by some magic trick the hero killed, oooh the drama, oh that pathos, oh the surprise (not) now give me my paycheck. One is a writer expressing their voice (thematic exploration) another is lazy hack work passed off on the unsuspecting consumer. If you are repeating the same thing so your stories are paint by number, you're probably only in it for the paycheck. I really like Bunn's original series that he does on a creator owned basis, but everything I read from him that is owned by someone else reads like a phone in job, and this Conan arc is turning into that more and more as each issue comes out. -M
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Post by lordyam on Dec 18, 2016 22:11:06 GMT -5
Technically no there was differences. Tarsalyn wasn't accidentally killed by Conan. Kyrylo already got him.
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Post by mrp on Dec 19, 2016 0:17:05 GMT -5
Technically no there was differences. Tarsalyn wasn't accidentally killed by Conan. Kyrylo already got him. When you are slicing things that thin to be an apologist all I can think of is Vannila Ice's trying to explain a difference where there is none... -M
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Post by ironhand on Dec 19, 2016 3:26:00 GMT -5
If you want to pick nits, you could say that Bunn's earlier plot device of the female monster who only wants to use Conan to sire sons is like the TV episode of "Conan the Adventurer" the tv show, or the "Savage Tales of Conan" story of Conan and the human/Termite queen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:06:47 GMT -5
Here's something I noticed within the first 3 issues. I posted this on the 'Conan the Slayer 3' thread.
'The first story arc of Conan the Slayer seems to have a few parallels with DH's take on 'The Frost Giant's Daughter'. The leader (Niord/Mykylo) of the (Aesir/Kozak) takes in Conan. There's the jealous tribesman (Sjarl/Kyrylo) who's willing to betray his people to get rid of Conan.
In the Frost Giant's Daughter, Atali, tells her brothers that she has '...brought you a man to slay! Take his heart. That we may lay it smoking on our father's board!' In this story arc 'Giant Vilayet Sea Trolls' say 'Look at what we've found! Brave little warriors... all softened up from battle... Seasoned with sweat and blood and beachgrit... Delicious little morsels to take back home to mother!'
Conan captures Atali and says 'You are cold as the snows girl! But I'll warm you-- warm you with the fire in my own blood..'
In this story the mother of the 'Giant Vilayet Sea Trolls' wants to have Conan's children!'
It's also interesting to read that Cullen Bunn is 'recycling' some of his plots/storylines from his previous work.
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