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Post by ChrisLAdams on Dec 28, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -5
Some people are going to like different things and others aren't going to like them. People have been telling me since I was 8 how much I have to love 2001 since I like sci-fi. I've seen the movie 4 times and haven't liked it once. I get why some people do, but it just doesn't connect with me. You don't have to look further than this board, just mention John Milius's Conan the Barbarian :-) Sometimes the media does take a big role in pushing something, but at some point things are going to stand on their own and connect with people or they're not. Again, look where we are, how many more "popular" authors have fallen by the wayside but REH still resonates. Well put. I think it depends a great deal on your frame of mind when you first experience these things, and then, too, on how they mix the genres. Sci-fi is rarely pure sci-fi in and of itself, being most often intermingled with a horror theme (Aliens), or a silly theme (Spaceballs) etc. It can be dystopian (Fahrenheit 451), and even western (Firefly). If the viewer finds even one of these intermingling of themes distasteful (perhaps you found 2001 unlikable because it is such a complex story, touching on themes such as existentialism, evolution, Etc) then they will very likely not enjoy it. Speaking for myself, I can enjoy any and all of these themes, loving at the same time everything from Aliens to Galaxy Quest, Interstellar to Guardians of the Galaxy, and Star Wars to Star Trek. And yes, Spaceballs. I was 8 when I saw Star Wars in 1977 and must say, it made quite the impact on me. I recall mailing the cereal proofs of purchase and receiving my X-Wing fighter with Luke pilot figure in the mail. That said, I never follow anything blindly. I used to be a huge Metallica fan, but they lost me at Death Magnetic. I was just a big of Star Wars fan but gads, portions of the prequel trilogy were hard to swallow. Rogue One was interesting to me because of its direct tie-in with a movie that made such a tremendous influence in my life, directing my thoughts and dreams in directions they might not otherwise have taken.
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Post by thedarkman on Dec 28, 2016 17:47:24 GMT -5
I was 12 years old when I seen Star Wars at the local drive-in in the summer of '77. And it rocked my world. I became a fan forever, loved the original trilogy (especially Empire) and even found something to like in the prequel trilogy. The Force Awakens brought the adventure back up to standards, and I expect Rogue One will be awesome ( I no longer go to the local cinema due to idiots with cellphones and such) when I buy the blue ray and watch it in the comfort of my home. Star Wars means different things to different people, but to those who were there as young children in the summer of '77, it will always be special. And I will continue to journey to a galaxy far, far away whenever the opportunity arises...
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Post by Erik on Dec 28, 2016 20:31:07 GMT -5
Likewise. Been a fan of these films since I saw the original in theaters as a small boy, and I was simply amazed by Rogue One. I put it up there with Empire Strikes Back, even as far as the general tone goes with (slight SPOILER perhaps)... that bittersweet ending . This was a different kind of Star Wars film too, as it was more of a war story that wasn't so tightly tied to the original myth, and the action was exciting, suspenseful and fantastic all the way through. I rarely buy movies on videos these days, but I might make an exception for this one when it's released. And regarding Lady Gaga...maybe not the best example. I'm not a fan either, but I do recognize the fact that that woman can really sing.
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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 28, 2016 20:46:03 GMT -5
I just cant see how the empire ever got anywhere when their soldiers are so incompetent, they cant shoot straight, they never fight from cover, just blunder blindly into the rebels fire. I suspect their helmets distort their vision and the emperor secretly enjoys watching them die by the thousands
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Post by Erik on Dec 28, 2016 21:06:15 GMT -5
I just cant see how the empire ever got anywhere when their soldiers are so incompetent, they cant shoot straight, they never fight from cover, just blunder blindly into the rebels fire. I suspect their helmets distort their vision and the emperor secretly enjoys watching them die by the thousands That seemed to be more of an issue with the original trilogy to me. At least in Rogue One, dozens of rebels were getting blasted to Hell too. But yeah...those stormtrooper helmets don't allow the best peripheral vision, do they?
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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 28, 2016 23:08:18 GMT -5
someone could suggest a little camo too, not siding with the empire here, just thinking most of those stormtroopers were just kids right out of high school looking for their first real job
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 4, 2017 4:27:25 GMT -5
I saw Passengers...an extremely well developed sci fi drama...best pic Ive seen in a while. Jennifer Lawrence is smokin too
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 4, 2017 8:05:13 GMT -5
someone could suggest a little camo too, not siding with the empire here, just thinking most of those stormtroopers were just kids right out of high school looking for their first real job
Well rumor has it they may have been less than perfect versions of Boba Fett.
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 4, 2017 10:23:04 GMT -5
Bobba is the one star wars character I can truly relate to, maybe he was a former stormtrooper who lingered a bit behind when all his pals rushed out to be terminated at the sight of a rebel
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 4, 2017 10:29:52 GMT -5
the (short) life of a stormtrooper is brief and full of trouble when he is on guard duty he rarely pays attention His helmet prevents him from seeing what he aims at His full body armor protects him from nothing besides its only cheap plastic Darth Vader got the cool looking outfit and the big shots all got psuedo nazi gear but for the stormtrooper he got ? yes it sucks the pay is bad the lifespan tiny they never win a battle they cant fly their war ships everyone on the deathstar became dead they have no diversity everyone came from Utah I suppose and they must be followers of scientology obviously they pray to Tom Cruise for all the good it gets them its a tough job but somebody has to do it and they do it well whatever it is they do most drink themselves to sleep every night and dream of their heroes they guy in the red shirts on Star Trek
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jan 4, 2017 11:39:06 GMT -5
Bobba is the one star wars character I can truly relate to, maybe he was a former stormtrooper who lingered a bit behind when all his pals rushed out to be terminated at the sight of a rebel Boba Fett is raised as the 'son' of Jango Fett whose DNA was used to create the 'clone troopers' IE Stormtroopers. Technically Boba is also a clone of Jango, but Jango removed him from the 'speed up growth' cycle and raised him from a child (or something like that as I recall). Kamino and the Jango Fett stuff in the prequels was actually quite interesting and well done I thought. One of the best sound effects of any movie ever was the seismic bombs as launched by Jango and Boba when trying to destroy Obi Wan in the meteor belt as he chases them after they escaped Kamino. Quite a thrilling sound to hear exploding from the old sound system, fer sure. Couldn't stand all the 'Meeza so stoopid' crap in the prequels from Jar Jar though (and I hear meeza's not alone in that?) The further the clones are from the source the less 'viable' they become, sort of like copying a old cassette, then using that to dub another, and so on. By the time we get to Luke and Leia who knows what generation those clones were? Certainly they were better than the mechanical 'roger, roger' bots which were pure and simply cannon fodder. But that may go a bit to explain more about Boba, Jango, the efficacy (or lack thereof) of stormtroopers, their relation to Jango, etc. Although large chunks of the prequels blow for reasons that will become obvious as you watch them, they are insightful to gather an understanding of what comes later (Ep IV-VI for instance). Rock on, Thief.
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 4, 2017 11:48:15 GMT -5
I read a book called Star Wars the Bounty Hunters which is quie excellent. It featured a great Bobba Fett story so I became a fan. PS thanks for all the info...knowledge is power they say
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 4, 2017 12:14:51 GMT -5
Bobba is the one star wars character I can truly relate to, maybe he was a former stormtrooper who lingered a bit behind when all his pals rushed out to be terminated at the sight of a rebel Boba Fett is raised as the 'son' of Jango Fett whose DNA was used to create the 'clone troopers' IE Stormtroopers. Technically Boba is also a clone of Jango, but Jango removed him from the 'speed up growth' cycle and raised him from a child (or something like that as I recall). Kamino and the Jango Fett stuff in the prequels was actually quite interesting and well done I thought. One of the best sound effects of any movie ever was the seismic bombs as launched by Jango and Boba when trying to destroy Obi Wan in the meteor belt as he chases them after they escaped Kamino. Quite a thrilling sound to hear exploding from the old sound system, fer sure. Couldn't stand all the 'Meeza so stoopid' crap in the prequels from Jar Jar though (and I hear meeza's not alone in that?) The further the clones are from the source the less 'viable' they become, sort of like copying a old cassette, then using that to dub another, and so on. By the time we get to Luke and Leia who knows what generation those clones were? Certainly they were better than the mechanical 'roger, roger' bots which were pure and simply cannon fodder. But that may go a bit to explain more about Boba, Jango, the efficacy (or lack thereof) of stormtroopers, their relation to Jango, etc. Although large chunks of the prequels blow for reasons that will become obvious as you watch them, they are insightful to gather an understanding of what comes later (Ep IV-VI for instance). Rock on, Thief. Maybe that explains the klutz stormtrooper who bangs his head on the door in Star Wars (1977)
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jan 4, 2017 13:29:18 GMT -5
Boba Fett is raised as the 'son' of Jango Fett whose DNA was used to create the 'clone troopers' IE Stormtroopers. Technically Boba is also a clone of Jango, but Jango removed him from the 'speed up growth' cycle and raised him from a child (or something like that as I recall). Kamino and the Jango Fett stuff in the prequels was actually quite interesting and well done I thought. One of the best sound effects of any movie ever was the seismic bombs as launched by Jango and Boba when trying to destroy Obi Wan in the meteor belt as he chases them after they escaped Kamino. Quite a thrilling sound to hear exploding from the old sound system, fer sure. Couldn't stand all the 'Meeza so stoopid' crap in the prequels from Jar Jar though (and I hear meeza's not alone in that?) The further the clones are from the source the less 'viable' they become, sort of like copying a old cassette, then using that to dub another, and so on. By the time we get to Luke and Leia who knows what generation those clones were? Certainly they were better than the mechanical 'roger, roger' bots which were pure and simply cannon fodder. But that may go a bit to explain more about Boba, Jango, the efficacy (or lack thereof) of stormtroopers, their relation to Jango, etc. Although large chunks of the prequels blow for reasons that will become obvious as you watch them, they are insightful to gather an understanding of what comes later (Ep IV-VI for instance). Rock on, Thief. Maybe that explains the klutz stormtrooper who bangs his head on the door in Star Wars (1977)
Heh, yeah - maybe they should have called them InbredTroopers! "Close the blast door!" "Open the blast door!"
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Post by deuce on Feb 9, 2017 13:58:15 GMT -5
Neo-Pulpster, Jasyn Jones, argues that Star Wars brought pulp back to scifi: www.castaliahouse.com/star-wars-stole-pulp/His thesis is that scifi was actually at its most popular (pre-SW) before John W. Campbell shoved his concept of "Men with Screwdrivers Sci-Fi" down everyone's throats. Back when you had space princesses, desert planets and galactic empires being fought by rebels with rayguns. In other words: Space Opera. All of that was pooh-poohed by critic Damon Knight, the "New Wave" scifi guys and others. Star Wars simply made scifi popular again.
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