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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 14:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 11, 2017 23:12:29 GMT -5
Thanks! Heh, that's nearly the whole damn issue!
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Post by lordyam on Jun 12, 2017 14:08:53 GMT -5
More like 1/3rd. Anyway it's looking good.
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Post by Erik on Jun 12, 2017 15:28:09 GMT -5
More like 1/3rd. Anyway it's looking good. He was being facetious. Anyhow, yes - looking forward to reading the rest of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 13:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by lordyam on Jun 28, 2017 23:01:16 GMT -5
So I read this. The art is as good as ever and octavia is VERY aesthetically pleasing if you catch my drift The story is good so far, and khostra is a god damned beast. Overall it's pretty good.
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Post by Erik on Jun 29, 2017 15:06:47 GMT -5
So I read this. The art is as good as ever and octavia is VERY aesthetically pleasing if you catch my drift The story is good so far, and khostra is a god damned beast. Overall it's pretty good. Yes, Khosatral Khel was pretty damn impressive! I love the blue flames burning like a crown on his head - nice touch. Exciting issue all around.
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Post by lordyam on Jun 30, 2017 18:00:15 GMT -5
Overall I prefer this to the savage one. We see buildup and I can see why Conan is into Octavia or falls for it. Octavia manipualting Conan into beating the shit out of her torturer was awesome; she shows cunning
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 15:27:24 GMT -5
Read this issue online. I am still not impressed. The Pages below are from SSOC and CtS and the words from the original yarn. Just an example of how Roy and John could discern what really matters when adapting a story and how mediocre the current creators can be. This particular page by Buscema is a lot more faithful to the original REH yarn and Conan looks like he's been in a fight to the death. CtS's Conan is not faithful to the original yarn, and the visual storytelling is really poor. Conan don't look like he's almost been crushed to death by a massive snake, and why is he not angry at Olivia? Then he was writhing on the glass steps with fold after slimy fold knotting about him, twisting, crushing, killing him. His right arm was still free, but he could get no purchase to strike a killing blow, and he knew one blow must suffice. With a groaning convulsion of muscular expansion that bulged his veins almost to bursting on his temples and tied his muscles in quivering, tortured knots, he heaved up on his feet, lifting almost the full weight of that forty-foot devil.
An instant he reeled on wide-braced legs, feeling his ribs caving in on his vitals and his sight growing dark, while his scimitar gleamed above his head. Then it fell, shearing through the scales and flesh and vertebrae. And where there had been one huge, writhing cable, now there were horribly two, lashing and flopping in the death throes. Conan staggered away from their blind strokes. He was sick and dizzy, and blood oozed from his nose. Groping in a dark mist he clutched Octavia and shook her until she gasped for breath.
"Next time I tell you to stay somewhere," he gasped, "you stay!"
Robert E. Howard, Devil In Iron.
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 2, 2017 20:22:30 GMT -5
I agree I don't get why Cullen decided to drop that exchange, it should have stayed. He & Sergio chose to use sound effects along with the images to convey the scene. Comparing it to Roy & Big John, yeah they're going to fall a little short. And if that's a criticism of the overall state of the industry, it's certainly legitimate. But is it an enjoyable version? To me it is and probably in today's environment, it might be among the best we'd get. I've noticed I've become a lot less picky about things as long as they're in the ballpark
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 0:33:37 GMT -5
I agree I don't get why Cullen decided to drop that exchange, it should have stayed. He & Sergio chose to use sound effects along with the images to convey the scene. Comparing it to Roy & Big John, yeah they're going to fall a little short. And if that's a criticism of the overall state of the industry, it's certainly legitimate. But is it an enjoyable version? To me it is and probably in today's environment, it might be among the best we'd get. I've noticed I've become a lot less picky about things as long as they're in the ballpark Hello Johnnypt. I know I can be overly critical about the series at times. I do feel overall, the series is back on track, and a vast improvement on the last couple of renditions. I can understand Dark Horse's attempt to experiment with their rendition of Conan with the Brian Wood run and Brian Ching art. There was a decline in sales, they went for a different direction, it did not work. Thankfully, since then they have gone back to basics. But, I fail to understand why Cullen and Davila keep skipping over certain details of the story, the end result lacks any impact. It only takes a couple of panels to demonstrate that Conan's almost been crushed to death by a massive snake and that he's angry at Olivia.
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Post by johnnypt on Jul 3, 2017 7:50:09 GMT -5
I agree I don't get why Cullen decided to drop that exchange, it should have stayed. He & Sergio chose to use sound effects along with the images to convey the scene. Comparing it to Roy & Big John, yeah they're going to fall a little short. And if that's a criticism of the overall state of the industry, it's certainly legitimate. But is it an enjoyable version? To me it is and probably in today's environment, it might be among the best we'd get. I've noticed I've become a lot less picky about things as long as they're in the ballpark Hello Johnnypt. I know I can be overly critical about the series at times. I do feel overall, the series is back on track, and a vast improvement on the last couple of renditions. I can understand Dark Horse's attempt to experiment with their rendition of Conan with the Brian Wood run and Brian Ching art. There was a decline in sales, they went for a different direction, it did not work. Thankfully, since then they have gone back to basics. But, I fail to understand why Cullen and Davila keep skipping over certain details of the story, the end result lacks any impact. It only takes a couple of panels to demonstrate that Conan's almost been crushed to death by a massive snake and that he's angry at Olivia. . Yeah, I'm not sure why they skim over little details that are just as easy to put in. It'd make a good version that much better.
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Post by deuce on Jul 3, 2017 8:15:15 GMT -5
Hello Johnnypt. I know I can be overly critical about the series at times. I do feel overall, the series is back on track, and a vast improvement on the last couple of renditions. I can understand Dark Horse's attempt to experiment with their rendition of Conan with the Brian Wood run and Brian Ching art. There was a decline in sales, they went for a different direction, it did not work. Thankfully, since then they have gone back to basics. But, I fail to understand why Cullen and Davila keep skipping over certain details of the story, the end result lacks any impact. It only takes a couple of panels to demonstrate that Conan's almost been crushed to death by a massive snake and that he's angry at Olivia. . Yeah, I'm not sure why they skim over little details that are just as easy to put in. It'd make a good version that much better. I figured they left it out because "misogyny". As if Conan wouldn't have every right to be very angry. If it had been a Sonja comic, Red would've been slappin' the guy silly and everyone would cheer. Still, this is much better than Wood.
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Post by emerald on Jul 3, 2017 9:43:54 GMT -5
. Yeah, I'm not sure why they skim over little details that are just as easy to put in. It'd make a good version that much better. I figured they left it out because "misogyny". As if Conan wouldn't have every right to be very angry. If it had been a Sonja comic, Red would've been slappin' the guy silly and everyone would cheer. Still, this is much better than Wood. You may have a point with the "misogyny" angle, but that's the least of it as far as I'm concerned. The whole scene has been de-fanged. The ferocious, desperate intensity of the original combat as depicted by REH (and preserved by Thomas & Buscema) has been discarded. This I really don't understand. You have an opportunity to adapt a harrowing scene of violent, life-or-death action in a Conan comic in 2017, and produce a lower key, less intense interpretation than we saw in the 1970's, much less the 1930's prose original. It may be unfair to compare modern creators to Thomas & Buscema, but both creative teams are working from REH's story. So I'm with Hun on this.
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Post by Erik on Jul 3, 2017 10:53:48 GMT -5
He wasn't as angry at her because she apologized immediately. But I kind of agree with deuce about the misogyny reason. Oh well. Anyway, after Conan's struggle with Khosatral Khel, I always felt that the battle with the snake paled in comparison. The terrifying fight and chase through the halls just happened, and then Conan meets a lesser foe, so I never thought much of it. I agree that he doesn't appear as thrashed as he should, but I'm not bothered. I think this current team handled the most important part of the story very well, and no one's going to beat legends like Buscema and Thomas anyway.
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