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Post by korak on Jul 2, 2019 16:35:33 GMT -5
I find the older styles of boxing of more interest then the way people box now.Has anyone ever thought of personally reviving the old style and giving a demonstration at Howard Days?
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Post by ramos on Jul 11, 2019 13:22:39 GMT -5
I do boxing in my free time because it is addicting like chess. You build your craft and skill. I cannot connect the savage part of me that likes Conan world with boxing because I don't look at it like fighting but more like an art. When I train and spar with my friends I feel happy and not aggressive. Conan is more MMA XD
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Post by linefacedscrivener on Aug 25, 2019 9:44:53 GMT -5
"That reminded him of something he had done almost like that. He was particularly impressed with a fighter we had in Brownwood, Kid Dula. One day as he went home from the post office, Bob was thinking about Kid Dula, and, all of a sudden, he got an idea for a whopping fight yarn and began shadow boxing as he walked down the street, and even accompanied the shadow boxing with words! While we laughed at what we'd done, our reactions to the situations had been different. When I saw that somebody was watching me, I stopped rehearsing immediately and turned my car in the opposite direction. Bob kept on shadow boxing, telling himself that he didn't care what people thought of him. I knew he did care, very much, but was just too stubborn to admit it."
-- Novalyne Price Ellis, One Who Walked Alone Have you ever wondered who Kid Dula was? I sure did. When I first came across Howard talking about Kid Dula, I tried to find something about him, but came up short (this was in the pre-Internet days). More recently, I came across Howard's reference to Kid Dula, so I started looking around to find something on the web. The one thing I found was an article by Brian Leo on REH Two-Gun Raconteur. The only problem is: the website doesn't exist anymore. However, armed with the trusty Wayback Machine, I managed to find the 10 part story that talks about Kid Dula. Go to the link below and read part one. Then at the bottom of the page, it has the links to part 2, part 3, etc. The Wayback Machine will allow you to link to these preserved pages, so you should be able to read the entire article. Enjoy! Out of the Shadows, Finally - Kid Dula |
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Post by Von K on Aug 25, 2019 15:16:23 GMT -5
That's a fantastic series, and it's good to see that TGR is still online in some form. An awesome REH website even archived.
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Post by bleno11 on Aug 27, 2019 7:55:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words on my Kid Dula posts from years ago!
If interested I have an ebook on Amazon, "Ringside with Robert E. Howard." Some new stuff on Dula and essays on Battling Siki, Jim Tully and Howard.
Thanks again!
Brian Leno
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Post by deuce on Aug 28, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words on my Kid Dula posts from years ago! If interested I have an ebook on Amazon, "Ringside with Robert E. Howard." Some new stuff on Dula and essays on Battling Siki, Jim Tully and Howard. Thanks again! Brian Leno Thanks for stopping by, Brian! I don't think we've had a chance to chat since Howard Days 2007. Good times. The legendary REH scholar, Don Herron, gives this thread (and your new ebook) a shout-out here: donherron.com/two-gun-bob-the-kid-dula-10-parter-rediscovered/ |
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Post by deuce on Aug 31, 2019 12:06:20 GMT -5
I find the older styles of boxing of more interest then the way people box now.Has anyone ever thought of personally reviving the old style and giving a demonstration at Howard Days? For about 15yrs now, there has been an "exhibition" boxing match on the site of the old Cross Plains icehouse at Howard Days. I've personally witnessed four of them. |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on Sept 1, 2019 9:40:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words on my Kid Dula posts from years ago! If interested I have an ebook on Amazon, "Ringside with Robert E. Howard." Some new stuff on Dula and essays on Battling Siki, Jim Tully and Howard. Thanks again! Brian Leno Thanks for stopping by, Brian! I don't think we've had a chance to chat since Howard Days 2007. Good times. The legendary REH scholar, Don Herron, gives this thread (and your new ebook) a shout-out here: donherron.com/two-gun-bob-the-kid-dula-10-parter-rediscovered/ I just read Don Herron's post about Brian Leno's book. That is great! Even better, I am really interested in obtaining a copy of the new book after it is published. So, question for Brian if you are still reading: will it be available in paperback for us throwbacks who don't have a Kindle reader and hate reading stuff online? Hint, hint. |
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Post by korak on Sept 1, 2019 12:34:55 GMT -5
I find the older styles of boxing of more interest then the way people box now.Has anyone ever thought of personally reviving the old style and giving a demonstration at Howard Days? For about 15yrs now, there has been an "exhibition" boxing match on the site of the old Cross Plains icehouse at Howard Days. I've personally witnessed four of them. this is kool |
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Post by bleno11 on Sept 2, 2019 9:47:16 GMT -5
Hi Linefacedscrivener,
Yeah, this boxing history I'm working on will be published as a book, at least that's the plan right now. Nothing like a real book I totally agree but a few eye problems make my Kindle essential.
Thanks for the interest!
Deuce,
It's always great to hear from you and I remember Howard days very fondly. In fact my trip report for that year is included in my latest ebook. Good times!
Brian
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Post by korak on Oct 17, 2019 23:07:41 GMT -5
Hi Linefacedscrivener, Yeah, this boxing history I'm working on will be published as a book, at least that's the plan right now. Nothing like a real book I totally agree but a few eye problems make my Kindle essential. Thanks for the interest! Deuce, It's always great to hear from you and I remember Howard days very fondly. In fact my trip report for that year is included in my latest ebook. Good times! Brian ariding. Awesome |
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Post by linefacedscrivener on Mar 12, 2021 9:26:54 GMT -5
 "Jack Dempsey fought his way up . . . He became champion in spite of hell and high water. He made millions for himself and for others. During his reign the prize-fighting profession reached a height it will never reach again. He set a new style in fighting and in the literature of fighting men. Just as Corbett popularized scientific boxing and placed the game on a higher level, so Dempsey popularized the rushing, desperate style of fighting, the swift onslaught and unfaltering attack . . .Up to his time, in literature, the hero was usually a clever, “gentleman” type who won his fights by speed and science against a hairy slugger. But Dempsey made the slugger popular. It is not the Sailor Costigans alone, the wood-pulp heroes who emulate the terrific punch and iron man style of Dempsey. I have recognized him again and again in the more sophisticated type of stories that touched on fights and fighting men." -Robert E. Howard to H.P. Lovecraft, December 1934
I love how Howard writes of boxing to Lovecraft who could not have cared one iota! Doing a deep read of Howard and his writing of boxing tales, not to mention his letters on the subject, I, of course, kept coming across his discussions of Heavyweight Champion Jack Dempsey. I particularly liked his mention of Sailor Steve Costigan being based on the Jack Dempsey type of fighter to Lovecraft. In this letter and in several other places, he mentioned how Dempsey came on the scene and took the boxing world by storm. I decided I wanted to watch that fight, as my old love of boxing (no doubt sparked by Howard) was piqued. I found the July 4, 1919 match between Jack Dempsey versus the reigning heavyweight champion Jess Willard online and watched the entire fight. Robert E. Howard was 18 years old and had already developed a love of boxing when that match took place in Toledo, Ohio, but I can see why this fight really sparked his interest. What a match! It has been labeled the "most brutal fight in history." Fought over three rounds (well, into the fourth, but Willard wasn't able to come back out and the fight was over), but the first round is really key and perhaps the most interesting to watch. What makes it all the more surprising was when they came out to meet for instructions and to shake hands, Jess Willard towered over Dempsey. I mean, Dempsey was a big guy, 6 foot 1 inch and weighing 205 pounds, but Jess Willard was 6 feet 6 inches and weighed around 260 pounds. Dempsey looks almost puny in comparison. Dempsey, however, knew to stay well inside of Willard's long arms and with his speed and constant moving, he tore Willard apart in ways that just so incredible it has to be seen. Watch the fight for yourself and you'll see what I mean: |
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