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Post by sorcerer on Sept 30, 2019 20:55:18 GMT -5
The next year there were many victories. The mountain that was beyond the valley and the hillside where the chestnut forest grew was captured and there were victories beyond the plain on the plateau to the south and we crossed the river in August and lived in a Gorizia that had a fountain and many thick shady trees in a walled garden and a--
Now I understand why I hate Hemingway.
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Post by sorcerer on Sept 30, 2019 21:09:57 GMT -5
Yes, that is good. And I would say what emerges from it is that the best way to formulate that statement is this:
Learn about what you write.
Under many circumstances learning is painful and boring. But if you're writing a story about vikings, suddenly you're interested in prows, and fjords, and spears, and the difference between Carls and Jarls and Thralls, or between runes and seidhr, and the way thorn and edh were lost from their phoneme set around the time of the black death. You learn these things as you go, and then your story becomes a fountain of knowledge for those who read it later. Eventually people stop writing their own vikings with horned helmets wandering through Siberian winterscapes, and you know at the last that you were victorious.
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Post by themirrorthief on Sept 30, 2019 21:43:31 GMT -5
The next year there were many victories. The mountain that was beyond the valley and the hillside where the chestnut forest grew was captured and there were victories beyond the plain on the plateau to the south and we crossed the river in August and lived in a Gorizia that had a fountain and many thick shady trees in a walled garden and a--
Now I understand why I hate Hemingway. Hemingway was a genius...I like his short works best...its not easy to understand what he was getting at sometimes but what a ride. And he was brutally honest about life and how tough it can be at times He is not for the sensitive
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Post by sorcerer on Oct 3, 2019 15:32:17 GMT -5
Now I understand why I hate Hemingway. Hemingway was a genius I will consider the possibility that what you say is true. Please select one of his works by which I may decide the case.
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Post by themirrorthief on Oct 3, 2019 16:17:28 GMT -5
A Clean Well Lighted Place and the 3 Day Blow are two of my favorites but there are many, many more just as good and some that are to graphic for me
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Post by Von K on Oct 4, 2019 16:33:15 GMT -5
* cf Leigh Brackett’s comment on plot earlier in this thread: “Plot is People.” I forgot to compare this also to the famous quote attributed to Heraclitus: Character is Destiny.
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Post by sorcerer on Oct 4, 2019 17:56:08 GMT -5
A Clean Well Lighted Place and the 3 Day Blow are two of my favorites but there are many, many more just as good and some that are to graphic for me OK; I'll take a look.
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jakmon
Wanderer
writer with a day job
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Post by jakmon on Oct 9, 2019 21:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Feb 24, 2020 0:41:04 GMT -5
I don't consider Elmore Leonard the be-all/end-all, but the man can write. Ten tips: www.theguardian.com/books/2010/feb/24/elmore-leonard-rules-for-writersPersonally, I don't think some of his "rules" are the best to use outside the hardboiled genre, but there is one that applies to everything: "Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip. Think of what you skip reading a novel: thick paragraphs of prose you can see have too many words in them."
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Post by Von K on Jul 26, 2020 13:49:09 GMT -5
Here's one from Ernest Hemingway. Roger Zelazny had this noted down on one of his early manuscripts and he apparently held it in high regard:
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Post by mindboggled on Aug 23, 2020 14:49:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any websites or magazines that take in short story submissions? Specifically horror, fantasy and odd stories.
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Post by themirrorthief on Aug 23, 2020 19:56:05 GMT -5
my best advice to writers is to give it up like I did...enjoy the free time!!!!
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Post by mindboggled on Aug 23, 2020 20:09:18 GMT -5
my best advice to writers is to give it up like I did...enjoy the free time!!!! To much free time always makes me feel restless. Makes me feel like I should be writing more.
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Post by themirrorthief on Aug 23, 2020 20:43:55 GMT -5
well I used to work 80 plus hours a week and did a lot of writing...now im a toal burnout
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Post by Von K on Aug 24, 2020 8:37:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any websites or magazines that take in short story submissions? Specifically horror, fantasy and odd stories. A good website for finding various markets is Ralans, all organised by pay rates with genres listed by entry and kept reasonably up to date. You'll likely find most of the major publications there: ralan.com/
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