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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 10:48:03 GMT -5
We ride west, keeping north of the Kazakhs till we encounter the nomadic Bashkir and legendary epic of...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 10:54:58 GMT -5
Theme to the Mongol movie Sodura by Sarantuya. The movie is set amongst the Dukha tribe, the reindeer herders from the Khövsgöl region of northern Mongolia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukha_people
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Post by deuce on Mar 10, 2016 17:50:03 GMT -5
Jenghiz Khan by the legendary Roy G. Krenkel. Looks like he got the eyes right:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 3:44:47 GMT -5
Jenghiz Khan by the legendary Roy G. Krenkel. Looks like he got the eyes right: Very nice by Krenkel. Is that from a paperback of Harold Lamb's biography? Mongols tend to have wider and flatter faces - even if Genghis Khan had blue/grey eyes or the cat's eyes described by Juzjani, Genghis Khan still would have looked like a Mongolian. This rendition looks more like an Özbek, Uygur or Türkmen; they are a mixture of the sedentary Indo-Europeans and later Turko-Mongolian nomadic conquerors! Heading west from Mongolia beyond the Altai Mountains; the Tuvan, Khakass, Shor and various Altai tribes and Kazakhs, are a mixture with the Scythians, Yuezhi, Sarmations, Alans etc. This mixture gets more noticeable amongst the Tatars, Bashkirs and Chuvash, north of the Caspian sea along the Volga River.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 5:19:59 GMT -5
The Kırgız are one of the oldest nomadic tribes in Central Asia - they appear in Chinese sources as far back as 3rd century BC! First up, a Kırgız movie released in 2014. Kurmanjan Datka Queen of the Mountains en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurmanjan_DatkaThis one's a traditional Kırgız folk song Kara Jorgo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 5:42:48 GMT -5
The Kırgız epic of Manas
The Manas saga is very, very, very long. Today there are about sixty versions of the epic Manas recorded from various epic singers and oral poets. Its longest version, consisting of half a million poetic lines, was written down from one of the last master-manaschï (singers of Manas) Saiakbai Karalaev (1894-1971). The epic is indeed unique in its size. It is twenty times longer than the Homeric epics Iliad (15693) and Odyssey (12110) taken together and two and a half times the length of the Indian epic Mahabharata.
From wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas
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Post by Libaax on Mar 12, 2016 7:09:44 GMT -5
Great thread to read all about the steppes,nomads people, their art,epic etc. Its fascinating part of the world from Central Asia toward west and so on. As desecendent of ancient nomad people of the East African Savannah i was always fascinated by all the steppes people from the famous Mongols to the lesser famous peoples.
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Post by deuce on Mar 12, 2016 8:58:11 GMT -5
Temujin rides into a conquered city (McBride):
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Post by Libaax on Mar 12, 2016 11:01:13 GMT -5
The Mamluk warrior many of them had turkic,central asian origins and had empires even in India. Along with Japanese Samurai warrior, the Mamluks was the elite warriors, was the best in the world of their time. I have read Mongol art of War history books that are full of their greatness,innovation as an army,warrior but the scholars are clear that their similar mobile light cavarly archers as the mongols but with elite soldiers trained from birth was better than the avreage mongol soldier who was a goat herder when they werent in the army.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 2:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:16:40 GMT -5
The Mamluk warrior many of them had turkic,central asian origins and had empires even in India. Along with Japanese Samurai warrior, the Mamluks was the elite warriors, was the best in the world of their time. I have read Mongol art of War history books that are full of their greatness,innovation as an army,warrior but the scholars are clear that their similar mobile light cavarly archers as the mongols but with elite soldiers trained from birth was better than the avreage mongol soldier who was a goat herder when they werent in the army. Hello Libaax, The Mamluks certainly put a stop to the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260. I think the Mamluks may have been a little fortunate - just before the battle Möngke, Great Kaghan of all Mongols died. Hülegü khan, brother of Möngke had to attend the Khuriltai in Mongolia. Eventually, Möngke's other brother Khubilai became the 'Great Kaghan' and Hülegü became the founder of the Ilkhan Dynasty of Iran.
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Post by Libaax on Mar 13, 2016 10:04:11 GMT -5
The Mamluk warrior many of them had turkic,central asian origins and had empires even in India. Along with Japanese Samurai warrior, the Mamluks was the elite warriors, was the best in the world of their time. I have read Mongol art of War history books that are full of their greatness,innovation as an army,warrior but the scholars are clear that their similar mobile light cavarly archers as the mongols but with elite soldiers trained from birth was better than the avreage mongol soldier who was a goat herder when they werent in the army. Hello Libaax, The Mamluks certainly put a stop to the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260. I think the Mamluks may have been a little fortunate - just before the battle Möngke, Great Kaghan of all Mongols died. Hülegü khan, brother of Möngke had to attend the Khuriltai in Mongolia. Eventually, Möngke's other brother Khubilai became the 'Great Kaghan' and Hülegü became the founder of the Ilkhan Dynasty of Iran. Yeah Mamluks was lucky when it came to facing the Mongol warmachine, their superior pro army, like you said the death of Möngke helped them. Also it took long time for Mongol to conquer their way to western Asia where they faced Mamluks, they surprised in battle or two but the Mongol army always learned from their defeat like in Ain Jalut. My military history professors raved about the Mongols ability to copy, learn from their few defeats and turn them in to victories in the same war. Thats their greatest strenght according to military scholars. Im a student of military history and we analyzed the comparisons to between their military,skills. Before Möngke,Hulegu the Mongol didnt set out to conquer the Arab lands into Bagdad. Mamluks like other muslim armies couldnt stop the shocking end of Islamic empire rule that lasted between 600s to 1258 and the destruction of Bagdad. The Mamluks was great soldiers, the mongols couldnt beat them in close combat warfare but they learned to beat their similar nomad warfare with their usual tactics. The Mamluks was so elit that they were too few to be a match to 10-20 tumans of mongol army that fought millions of arab,chinese armies before them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 17:28:45 GMT -5
The Sarıg Yugur, or Yellow Uygurs from Gansu, ChinaThe Yugur tribe speak Turkic, Mongolian, Tibetan and Chinese! The Yugur are considered as descendants of the Uygur Kaghanate, who were the ruling tribe of Mongolia between the years 745-840 AD. Have you always wanted to name your body parts in Yugur?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 4:10:36 GMT -5
Hello Libaax, The Mamluks certainly put a stop to the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260. I think the Mamluks may have been a little fortunate - just before the battle Möngke, Great Kaghan of all Mongols died. Hülegü khan, brother of Möngke had to attend the Khuriltai in Mongolia. Eventually, Möngke's other brother Khubilai became the 'Great Kaghan' and Hülegü became the founder of the Ilkhan Dynasty of Iran. Yeah Mamluks was lucky when it came to facing the Mongol warmachine, their superior pro army, like you said the death of Möngke helped them. Also it took long time for Mongol to conquer their way to western Asia where they faced Mamluks, they surprised in battle or two but the Mongol army always learned from their defeat like in Ain Jalut. My military history professors raved about the Mongols ability to copy, learn from their few defeats and turn them in to victories in the same war. Thats their greatest strenght according to military scholars. Im a student of military history and we analyzed the comparisons to between their military,skills. Before Möngke,Hulegu the Mongol didnt set out to conquer the Arab lands into Bagdad. Mamluks like other muslim armies couldnt stop the shocking end of Islamic empire rule that lasted between 600s to 1258 and the destruction of Bagdad. The Mamluks was great soldiers, the mongols couldnt beat them in close combat warfare but they learned to beat their similar nomad warfare with their usual tactics. The Mamluks was so elit that they were too few to be a match to 10-20 tumans of mongol army that fought millions of arab,chinese armies before them. It's interesting that you're studying military history. Is it a certain geographical area or period that you study? It's also interesting that your professors talk about the Mongol ability to adapt, and overturn potential defeats into victory. Most of the nomadic empires from Mongolia, initially seem to overrun large areas of land. For example the Türk tribe (Göktürks) became masters of Mongolia in 552. The Türk Empire was almost a dress rehearsal for the Mongol Empire. The Wei dynasty paid them tribute with silk, gold, wine etc. They crushed the Hepthalites in Central asia, dividing the territory with the Sassanid Empire. Chased the Avars on to the Hungarian plains - and formed an alliance with The Byzantine Empire in Constantinople in 568. When they found out the Byzantine's were paying tribute to the Avars, they raided Chersonesus in the Crimea in 576! Within the span of 25 years the Türks led simultaneous campaigns in Eastern Europe and in Manchuria and in Northern China! There already existed a couple of military 'institutions' from the earliest times in Mongolia. 1. The organisation of the army using the decimal system - Tümen (10,000 warriors) was introduced from the time of the Xiongnu (Huns?) in 209BC. 2. The steppe code, a nomad constitution if you like. The Türks mention the importance of this in the Orkhon Inscriptions in Mongolia. Genghis reintroduced this with the Yassa! All the nomads needed was a charismatic leader of genius like Genghis Khan - or a Modu Chanyu, first king of the Xiongnu to tap in to their natural abilities and potential. Of course the problem with a nomadic empire was when and how to get off that horse and govern sedentary people without losing your identity. That is why most most nomadic empires were short lived. Ironically, the weaker tribes tended to seek refuge amongst the sedentary Chinese. Their leaders were sometimes adopted as sons of the Chinese Emperor, and served as border guards. This created a Turko/Mongol-Chinese aristocracy that ruled northern China for centuries after the fall of the Han Dynasty. Thanks Libaax
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 7:55:59 GMT -5
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