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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Nov 28, 2019 12:54:14 GMT -5
I dunno exactly how they reproduce these editions. The DC books looks good, they do no use glossy paper for the interiors like Marvel. Here's a look at a classic Neal Adams Batman issue. This is not the greatest video but it kinda gives you a rough idea of what the Facsimile Editions look like. Just what I needed, hun, thanks. It's obviously been printed using modern techniques - which makes the colours look smoother and more intense, and without the blotchiness found in old comics - but apart from a few subtle touch-ups it seems pretty damn close to the original. Thank goodness they resisted the urge to use the hideous recoloured efforts that Adams came up with a few years ago. I just wish I could get it for the same sixpence I paid back in 1971. ...... I'm not a big fan of recoloring. The art was done by artists who KNEW (roughly) how their art would be colored. Even for stuff I had NEVER seen before (until recently), most recoloring looks wrong.
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Post by deuce on Nov 28, 2019 13:03:10 GMT -5
Found this article a couple of days ago. I dunno, this is no real surprise, anyways here's the article below by Rob Salkowitz at Forbes. Is extinction near for comic-book superheroes? New publishing data suggests reader tastes are changing.MARVEL/DISNEY
Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behindwww.forbes.com/sites/robsalkowitz/2019/10/08/surprising-new-data-shows-comic-readers-are-leaving-superheroes-behind/?fbclid=IwAR1XUn8fErQsUtcVyAw9Mnu6QxNV9itvcLkuQYQf8Jz_qnfu0bB83pjMYXo#35be23aa4d68A day after New York Comic Con put an exclamation mark on the media dominance that superheroes exert over today’s entertainment and popular culture, data was shared in a private industry conference indicating that a massive shift in the comics publishing industry has reached a tipping point. For the first time that anyone can remember, superheroes are being outsold in their native medium – American comic books and graphic novels – by other kinds of content, notably kid-oriented fare and Japanese (or Japanese-inspired) manga.
The sales trends behind this shift were laid out by longtime industry analyst Milton Griepp at a conference organized by his company ICv2 (disclosure: I am a contributor to ICv2 and participated in the conference), held at Pace University in downtown New York. ICv2, in conjunction with metrics site Comichron, gathers market data on the North American comics industry, tracking sales of periodicals, trade books (aka “graphic novels,”) and download-to-own digital comics.
Sizing the market for comics has become a complicated process. After comic books vanished from newsstands in the early 1980s, nearly all periodical comic books were sold through a network of independently-owned retail comic shops. The comics are distributed through a single firm, Diamond, in an arrangement known as the “direct market.” Because this inventory is non-returnable, the number of copies ordered and shipped to comic stores are counted as sales, even if they do not sell through to customers at retail.
Graphic novels are sold in the direct market and also to trade book stores, with consumer sales tracked through the book industry standard system Bookscan, now owned and managed by media metrics firm The NPD Group. Together, about 90% of comics and graphic novels in North America are sold through book stores or comic stores, with 9% going through digital services like Amazon’s Kindle or the Amazon-owned comiXology, and about 1% sold on newsstands or through Kickstarter.
ICv2 has estimated the total value of this market at $1.095 billion in the US and Canada in 2018, up modestly from 2017’s $1.015 billion. North American Comic Sales through 2018, as calculated by ICv2 and ComicChronCOMICHRON/ICV2Typically, increases in the overall market are driven by the comic industry’s two largest companies, Marvel (owned by Disney), and DC (a part of AT&T’s WarnerMedia group), which both publish corporate-owned superhero comics almost exclusively and together account for about 80% of all comics sold through the direct market. But for the last several years, the trade book channel has become an increasingly significant driver of revenue, gaining double-digit year over year increases as comic store sales have declined. ICv2 estimates that bookstore sales accounted for $465M in 2018, compared to $510M in the direct market. When you add in the digital and other channels, direct market sales fell under 50% of the total for the first time since comic shops overtook newsstand distribution in the early 1980s. While comic shops tend to focus on longtime fans - often older readers who grew up on and collect superhero comics – mass-market bookstores sell to everyone, including younger readers and those outside of traditional comics fandom. Consequently, the books that are selling in bookstores are, generally, not superhero-oriented. According to Bookscan data shared at the conference, kid-oriented comics and graphic novels account for a whopping 41% of sell-through at bookstores; manga is 28%. Superhero content is less than 10%, down 9.6% year-over-year. US Comic and Graphic Novel share by Category, YTD 9/21/19, shared by NPD Group/Bookscan at ICv2 Conference, October 7, 2019.THE NPD GROUPThat trend away from capes and cowls is also starting to be reflected even within the more insular comic store market with the arrival of a more diverse audience with different tastes. ICv2 notes a massive shift in the past two years, with kid-oriented titles for readers age 6-18 up 20% in comic store sales and 39% in bookstores, manga up 41% in comics stores and 5% in bookstores, while superhero graphic novels (typically collections of previously-issued periodicals) fell 10% in bookstores and 15% in comic shops.
Though full-year 2019 data is not yet available, it’s clear that the popularity of younger-reader material has accelerated with the unprecedented success of Dav Pilkey’s latest Dog Man graphic novel (initial print run: 5 million) and YA graphic novelist Raina Telgemeier’s latest, Guts, rocketing to the top of the overall best seller list in its first week of release.
Meanwhile, despite the media dominance of superheroes on every screen, the superhero side of the publishing business has been mired in a slump, outside of a few isolated successes like Marvel’s new X-Men relaunch, sporadic DC releases like Doomsday Clock and landmark issues of long-running series.
As Griepp pointed out in his presentation, the sales of superhero-oriented trade books generally follow the trends of periodicals by about 12-18 months (the usual time it takes for publishers to issue collected editions of recent storylines), so those numbers are likely to be even worse when 2019 data is tabulated. Superhero-adjacent genres like horror and science fiction also saw a slump in trade sales with the declining popularity of longtime best-seller The Walking Dead and the breakout series Saga on a publishing hiatus.
Meanwhile, sales of Asian-style manga – already one of the decade’s fastest-growing content categories – have benefited from the availability of animated series on streaming networks like Hulu and Netflix. Another presenter at the conference, NPD Executive Director of Business Development Kristen McLean, shared data showing a clear correlation between binge-watching of popular anime series and subsequent purchase of related manga content.
When you put all that together, it paints a stark picture. Superheroes represent a declining share of the fastest-growing segments and channels of the comics market. They still dominate in single-issue sales in comic shops, but both single issues as a format and comic shops as a channel represent a much smaller and shrinking share of the overall market than has been the case in years’ past.
Disney and AT&T are probably not losing too much sleep over this. The worldwide box office of a single, average-grossing superhero blockbuster feature is as large as the entire comics publishing industry, and the profits on mega-hits like Avengers: Endgame or Joker can buy and sell the entire book and periodical market several times over. Genre comic creators will see a bigger paycheck from an unexercised media option than they will from a best-selling comic book, and most artists on popular titles can earn more on commissions and sales of originals than they’ll get in royalties from reprints and trade collections.
Nevertheless, superheroes have been the dominant genre in American comics since the 1960s and are still the first thing a lot of people think of when they think of comics. Now that’s changing, the culmination of a decade-long market trend and a demographic shift in the audience for graphic literature. The change may not be obvious in the media culture for a while, but it’s coming soon to a bookshelf near you.I have to say that, at the time, I loved the rise of comics stores. Looking back, it was a cancer that is killing the comics industry as a popular artform. To have lifelong fans of actual COMICS (as opposed to superhero movies) you have to have KIDS who were raised on comic books. The move from having comics in newsstands/grocery stores/whatever to ONLY having comics in comics stores "ate the seed corn" and prevented many, many potential comics fans from ever getting into the medium. That change in distribution had at least as much effect on modern comics sales as any of the recent trends in recent comics storytelling. One probably brought on the other. Compounding the sickness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 0:12:57 GMT -5
Found this article a couple of days ago. I dunno, this is no real surprise, anyways here's the article below by Rob Salkowitz at Forbes. I have to say that, at the time, I loved the rise of comics stores. Looking back, it was a cancer that is killing the comics industry as a popular artform. To have lifelong fans of actual COMICS (as opposed to superhero movies) you have to have KIDS who were raised on comic books. The move from having comics in newsstands/grocery stores/whatever to ONLY having comics in comics stores "ate the seed corn" and prevented many, many potential comics fans from ever getting into the medium. That change in distribution had at least as much effect on modern comics sales as any of the recent trends in recent comics storytelling. One probably brought on the other. Compounding the sickness. I agree, it certainly would help if comics could also be found at the local newsagents, supermarkets. I dunno how they expect to survive or find new customers with the current distribution model. Comic books need to be physically seen for them to sell not hidden in specialist shops.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 18:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 21, 2020 18:35:50 GMT -5
I'm glad he's finally gone, but the damage might be irreparable.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 22, 2020 18:01:53 GMT -5
cosmicbook.news/att-closing-dc-comics-5g-ethan-van-sciver?ampNot surprised, I've been saying for years that comics are obsolete and going the way of Olde Time Radio. They are basically IP holding companies for AT&T and Disney. 5G will fail, especially if they are going to charge $7.99 per issue. Then AT&T shuts down DC publishing comics, the direct market fails, and shops will be closing left and right. The industry elites and corporate hacks brought this on themselves. Let them reap what they have sowed.
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Post by kemp on Feb 23, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
You know there used to be a time when I believed certain industries would make the right decisions to keep things afloat, to keep the show running, but now I see that suicide is not only restricted to individuals, but also to major organisations. Oh well, I suppose the characters could always be licensed out to publishers that could do something with say the DC Black Label line at more affordable prices.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 24, 2020 22:40:31 GMT -5
You know the industry is in trouble when the sales are lower than they were AFTER the crash:
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Post by bonesaw on Feb 26, 2020 12:56:54 GMT -5
You know there used to be a time when I believed certain industries would make the right decisions to keep things afloat, to keep the show running, but now I see that suicide is not only restricted to individuals, but also to major organisations. Oh well, I suppose the characters could always be licensed out to publishers that could do something with say the DC Black Label line at more affordable prices. Yeah and how much of it is because the forced sacrificing on the pyre of "woke." It's a damn shame.
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Post by kemp on Feb 27, 2020 9:26:56 GMT -5
You know there used to be a time when I believed certain industries would make the right decisions to keep things afloat, to keep the show running, but now I see that suicide is not only restricted to individuals, but also to major organisations. Oh well, I suppose the characters could always be licensed out to publishers that could do something with say the DC Black Label line at more affordable prices. Yeah and how much of it is because the forced sacrificing on the pyre of "woke." It's a damn shame. I suppose the recent rumour going around that DC Comics might be licensed out to Marvel doesn’t inspire you all that much with confidence. How would you feel about Marvel taking over and publishing DC Comics and characters…….and possibly even bringing the DC characters into the MCU ?
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 27, 2020 10:51:55 GMT -5
I don't think it would clear monopoly regulations. I was just explaining to my 11 year old why something like this wouldn't happen, you'd have one company controlling a huge percentage of one (admittedly somewhat on the downturn) industry.
Didio's unsuccessful utilization of his back catalog (and downright hostility to doing it) was one of his major mistakes. If there is a market for something you have, sell it. Marvel did what it had to do to publish things it didn't own or had rights issues (Master of Kung Fu, Conan) and it paid big dividends. DC just had to figure out what to do some of the most famous characters in literary history and couldn't/can't do it.
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Post by kemp on Feb 27, 2020 15:53:23 GMT -5
boundingintocomics.com/2020/02/26/rumor-marvel-and-kevin-feige-could-take-over-dc-comics/'Cosmic Book News shared the rumor over the weekend detailing AT&T is unhappy with DiDio’s proposed fifth-generation reboot of DC’s continuity, 5G. The company is allegedly considering licensing out the characters for Marvel to publish while maintaining control of the valued intellectual property.' It may never happen, but I'm sure it's not in the realms of legal rights impossibility
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 27, 2020 16:58:35 GMT -5
boundingintocomics.com/2020/02/26/rumor-marvel-and-kevin-feige-could-take-over-dc-comics/'Cosmic Book News shared the rumor over the weekend detailing AT&T is unhappy with DiDio’s proposed fifth-generation reboot of DC’s continuity, 5G. The company is allegedly considering licensing out the characters for Marvel to publish while maintaining control of the valued intellectual property.' It may never happen, but I'm sure it's not in the realms of legal rights impossibility It'd be ironic if it turns into the inverse of the situation back in the 50s and 60s where DC put out Atlas then Marvel books. Something like this might be ok but it's still pushing the limits.
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Post by terryallenuk on Feb 28, 2020 13:56:33 GMT -5
Similar to how Marvel licensed some of theirs to the Image creators in the 90's
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