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Post by darklordbob on Jun 6, 2020 15:56:28 GMT -5
"They are handling this about as well as Captain Hook being a proctologist,"
I must say, that is not a sentence I was expecting to read on a Saturday afternoon.
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Post by lordyam on Jun 6, 2020 21:21:02 GMT -5
Geppi is living in a fantasy land. There's so much garbage out there on the shelves, I can't believe sales aren't lower than they already are. Then again they are propping them up with smoke and mirrors like variants. If DC was smart they'd cancel all titles and just do retro replica reprints and Black Label books. Those actually sell. Marvel is even worse than DC, it's gone all in on woke culture and will drown in the lack of actual talent as a result. If the big two collapse maybe the smaller companies can hire the industry vets with talent to work for them like what happened in the 90s. Like the original Valiant books, Ultraverse, Comic's Greatest World, etc. Not those exactly but in that vein. I'd love to see a company do all original pulp comics in a coherent universe. Like what DC wanted to do with First Wave, but with original properties. Eh. There's nothing wrong with being woke; many of those people ARE talented and most of the people complaining about "wokeness" are as a rule degenerate shitheels who society SHOULD be shunning
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 0:23:53 GMT -5
Marvel Comics Liquidates 32 Omnibuses to Comic Book Storesbleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-omnibus-omnibuses/Here's the list: Avengers By John Byrne Omnibus Avengers: The Vibranium Collection Slipcase Captain America Omnibus Vol. 1 Captain America: The 75th Anniversary Vibranium Collection Slipcase Daredevil By Frank Miller & Klaus Janson Omnibus Daredevil By Frank Miller Omnibus Companion Deadpool Classic Omnibus Vol. 1 Deadpool Minibus Elektra By Frank Miller Omnibus Fantastic Four By Matt Fraction Omnibus Guardians Of The Galaxy By Abnett & Lanning Omnibus Guardians Of The Galaxy Solo Classic Omnibus King-Size Kirby Slipcase Marvel Firsts: The 1990s Omnibus Marvel Now! Omnibus Marvel Universe By John Byrne Omnibus Marvel's Agent Carter: Season One Declassified Slipcase Marvel's Agents Of SHIELD.: Season Two Declassified Slipcase Marvel's Avengers: Age Of Ultron – The Art Of The Movie Slipcase Marvel's Captain America: Civil War – The Art Of The Movie Slipcase (Movie Cover) Marvels: The Platinum Edition Slipcase Muppet Babies Omnibus Oz Omnibus Squadron Supreme Classic Omnibus Stan Lee: Marvel Treasury Edition Slipcase Star Wars: Droids & Ewoks Omnibus Droids Cover The Amazing Spider-Man: Behind The Scenes & Beyond The Web Slipcase The Marvel Legacy Of Jack Kirby Slipcase The Muppets Omnibus Langridge Cover The Road To Marvel's Avengers: Age Of Ultron – The Art Of The Marvel Cinematic Universe Slipcase Ultimate Marvel Omnibus Vol. 1 X-Men: The Adamantium Collection Slipcase
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 7, 2020 7:34:41 GMT -5
Geppi is living in a fantasy land. There's so much garbage out there on the shelves, I can't believe sales aren't lower than they already are. Then again they are propping them up with smoke and mirrors like variants. If DC was smart they'd cancel all titles and just do retro replica reprints and Black Label books. Those actually sell. Marvel is even worse than DC, it's gone all in on woke culture and will drown in the lack of actual talent as a result. If the big two collapse maybe the smaller companies can hire the industry vets with talent to work for them like what happened in the 90s. Like the original Valiant books, Ultraverse, Comic's Greatest World, etc. Not those exactly but in that vein. I'd love to see a company do all original pulp comics in a coherent universe. Like what DC wanted to do with First Wave, but with original properties. Eh. There's nothing wrong with being woke; many of those people ARE talented and most of the people complaining about "wokeness" are as a rule degenerate shitheels who society SHOULD be shunning That’s the issue, too many writers these days write agendas instead of stories then decide anyone who disagrees with them is the problem. Eventually they alienate most of their audience and are proud of it, then scratch their heads and wonder why sales are falling. That’s only part of the systemic faults in today’s industry, I don’t think there will be any winners this DC/Diamond split. My 11 year old has finally started reading comics, he reads the Original Clone Saga and Tales of Asgard trades almost once a week. So kids today will read comics, it just has to be something they want to read.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 7, 2020 8:52:43 GMT -5
Geppi is living in a fantasy land. There's so much garbage out there on the shelves, I can't believe sales aren't lower than they already are. Then again they are propping them up with smoke and mirrors like variants. If DC was smart they'd cancel all titles and just do retro replica reprints and Black Label books. Those actually sell. Marvel is even worse than DC, it's gone all in on woke culture and will drown in the lack of actual talent as a result. If the big two collapse maybe the smaller companies can hire the industry vets with talent to work for them like what happened in the 90s. Like the original Valiant books, Ultraverse, Comic's Greatest World, etc. Not those exactly but in that vein. I'd love to see a company do all original pulp comics in a coherent universe. Like what DC wanted to do with First Wave, but with original properties. Eh. There's nothing wrong with being woke; many of those people ARE talented and most of the people complaining about "wokeness" are as a rule degenerate shitheels who society SHOULD be shunning Yam,if they could actually write, the industry wouldn't have been on the verge of collapse long before the pandemic. The industry only has itself to blame, they chased off all the longtime readers and the people they tried to cater to with these new books didn't buy them because they weren't comic fans to begin with, it was just something they stood on their social media soapbox and preached about. I think this guy is pretty spot on: thepostmillennial.com/comics-were-already-on-life-support-but-coronavirus-dealt-the-death-blow
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Post by lordyam on Jun 7, 2020 23:32:24 GMT -5
There were plenty of other problems. The Direct Market has been dying for years, rising prices, focus on big events rather than developing characters. Anyone who says it's all the fault of "woke culture" by definition is a racist and or sexist. Given what kind of site postmillennial is I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. They're the kind of people who think men should be allowed to beat and rape their wives, that muslims should be herded into gas chambers and that black people being beaten to death by policemen is no big deal.
Frankly those fans SHOULD be shunned. They're wretched pieces of shit and the world would be better if they all drove off a cliff
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 8, 2020 6:11:13 GMT -5
Honestly, how many people actually espouse that kind of stuff? In my 50 plus years of dealing with people I can safely say not a significant tenth of a percentage. My son was reading the early Spider Man issues yesterday. Would Ditko be able to work in this atmosphere if people disagreed with his Objectivism philosophy?
We mentioned something over on the Illustrated board that also relates to the overall situation: is there a big talent on the art side these days that would you really excited they would be doing a Conan book? Not sure if we came up with one. There are a lot of people out there who have talent but I can’t name one offhand. There’s always the possibility someone like a Giorello could come out of nowhere but that was over a decade ago already.
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Post by kemp on Jun 8, 2020 6:31:14 GMT -5
And I thought the collapse of civilisation thread was getting too political All I know is that I was hooked on the Old Man Logan and Hawkeye series set in the future wastelands, so when I just found out that there was an Avengers of the Wastelands series I knew I had to check that out. You can never get enough of the wastelands.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 8, 2020 8:22:16 GMT -5
And I thought the collapse of civilisation thread was getting too political All I know is that I was hooked on the Old Man Logan and Hawkeye series set in the future wastelands, so when I just found out that there was an Avengers of the Wastelands series I knew I had to check that out. You can never get enough of the wastelands. You'd think they'd have tried this back in the 80s The "Old Man" concepts seem to have done something a little different (though it does have its modern origins with Miller's Dark Knight), but they've taken a hold and given us at least one really good film, so it's not all a "wasteland".
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 8, 2020 9:08:32 GMT -5
There were plenty of other problems. The Direct Market has been dying for years, rising prices, focus on big events rather than developing characters. Anyone who says it's all the fault of "woke culture" by definition is a racist and or sexist. Given what kind of site postmillennial is I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. They're the kind of people who think men should be allowed to beat and rape their wives, that muslims should be herded into gas chambers and that black people being beaten to death by policemen is no big deal. Frankly those fans SHOULD be shunned. They're wretched pieces of shit and the world would be better if they all drove off a cliff If mainstream comics would have stayed the course they would at least have the veteran fans at this point ranging from age 30 - 50, a lot of people above 50 walked away from mainstream comics already. They made a play for people under 30 and it turns out they don't buy comics they just like to complain about them online, so they screwed up. I'm coming at you with an analysis and you're just coming at me with broad accusations and presumptions. Just track the sales, the data doesn't lie. I'm not sure what kind of site postmillenial is, but like I said, I think that guy's analysis is spot on. The saying goes, "get woke, go broke." I think the mainstream comics industry will be a great example of this looking back due to the decisions made with characters. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for woke storylines, but the focus should be on telling good storylines first and foremost. For instance, Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil on Green Lantern/Green Arrow, that was a great series that spotlighted social issues, but it was one book in DC's entire line, if all of their titles were like that, it would have lost its punch.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jun 8, 2020 9:45:51 GMT -5
We mentioned something over on the Illustrated board that also relates to the overall situation: is there a big talent on the art side these days that would you really excited they would be doing a Conan book? Not sure if we came up with one. There are a lot of people out there who have talent but I can’t name one offhand. There’s always the possibility someone like a Giorello could come out of nowhere but that was over a decade ago already. Buscema clone Benito Gallego would no doubt be thrilled to work on REH related titles. Why Marvel hasn't hit him up yet baffles me.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 8, 2020 10:21:53 GMT -5
We mentioned something over on the Illustrated board that also relates to the overall situation: is there a big talent on the art side these days that would you really excited they would be doing a Conan book? Not sure if we came up with one. There are a lot of people out there who have talent but I can’t name one offhand. There’s always the possibility someone like a Giorello could come out of nowhere but that was over a decade ago already. Buscema clone Benito Gallego would no doubt be thrilled to work on REH related titles. Why Marvel hasn't hit him up yet baffles me. It'd sure be interesting. I'd love to see Mirko Colak get another shot. Thing is there's not either a single creator (ala Miller, Byrne, Simonson) or team (Thomas-Buscema, Claremont-Byrne, Stern-Byrne, Wolfman-Perez, Busiek-Perez, Moore-Davis) that'd get people really drawn to the book. Tim Truman was the last guy of this calber to be near the character, though on the writing side, Van Lente, Bunn, Aaron and Zub were good gets.
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Post by andys on Jun 8, 2020 13:26:49 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for woke storylines, but the focus should be on telling good storylines first and foremost. For instance, Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil on Green Lantern/Green Arrow, that was a great series that spotlighted social issues, but it was one book in DC's entire line, if all of their titles were like that, it would have lost its punch. Speaking only for myself but I wouldn't even give O'Neil/Adams a pass. IMO, those GL/GA stories are a prototypical example of the problem with "topical" writing as they read as shrill political screeds that in retrospect are unintentionally hilarious. My understanding is that they were a failure as an attempt to bolster readership in the short term, as the book bled sales even harder than before (unlike Adams's X-Men run, which did rise in sales and only got cancelled because they didn't have the numbers until it was too late) and it's really just Adams's lovely art that has kept them relevant over the long term. There was a lot of great storytelling that happened in the 70s and 80s, but also a lot of socio-political temper tantrums that aged like exposed milk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 13:34:20 GMT -5
Buscema clone Benito Gallego would no doubt be thrilled to work on REH related titles. Why Marvel hasn't hit him up yet baffles me. It'd sure be interesting. I'd love to see Mirko Colak get another shot. Thing is there's not either a single creator (ala Miller, Byrne, Simonson) or team (Thomas-Buscema, Claremont-Byrne, Stern-Byrne, Wolfman-Perez, Busiek-Perez, Moore-Davis) that'd get people really drawn to the book. Tim Truman was the last guy of this calber to be near the character, though on the writing side, Van Lente, Bunn, Aaron and Zub were good gets. Yeah, it's quite sad that there's not a single artist that could boost sales in the comic book industry. It's almost like Marvel and DC have forgotten that in order to sell books the art needs to leap off the shelf and grab you by the throat, I'm not just talking about the cover - the interior art also has to seduce you into purchasing the comic. Alas, those days are long gone.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 8, 2020 16:32:18 GMT -5
It'd sure be interesting. I'd love to see Mirko Colak get another shot. Thing is there's not either a single creator (ala Miller, Byrne, Simonson) or team (Thomas-Buscema, Claremont-Byrne, Stern-Byrne, Wolfman-Perez, Busiek-Perez, Moore-Davis) that'd get people really drawn to the book. Tim Truman was the last guy of this calber to be near the character, though on the writing side, Van Lente, Bunn, Aaron and Zub were good gets. Yeah, it's quite sad that there's not a single artist that could boost sales in the comic book industry. It's almost like Marvel and DC have forgotten that in order to sell books the art needs to leap off the shelf and grab you by the throat, I'm not just talking about the cover - the interior art also has to seduce you into purchasing the comic. Alas, those days are long gone. I would say the following artists could do it: Jim Lee Greg Capullo Joe Madiuera (sp?) Todd McFarlane Stephen Platt But they aren't regularly drawing comics.
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