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Post by lordyam on Feb 26, 2018 18:29:30 GMT -5
NO problem there. However I've seen WAY too much bitching about minorities and feminists ruining the fun not to be a wee bit leery.
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Post by deuce on Mar 10, 2018 12:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by terryallenuk on Mar 12, 2018 14:06:57 GMT -5
Another leaving , following Bendis , Chris Samnee and Mike Perkins recently.
Terry
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Post by Char-Vell on Mar 12, 2018 14:41:02 GMT -5
They must be cleaning house to insure they get the cream of the crop to work on the new Conan titles! Yeah, that's it!
I never heard of these people other than Bendis.
I think Bendis is a talented writer but we'd all be better servd if he worked on original material and kept away from characters with any sort of legacy.
I shudder to think what Conan would be like if Bendis got ahold of it.
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Post by stubbs on Mar 13, 2018 6:19:50 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the European Industry compares?
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Post by terryallenuk on Mar 15, 2018 15:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by Von K on Mar 15, 2018 16:26:51 GMT -5
Great interview Terry, thanks.
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Post by lordyam on Mar 16, 2018 0:06:40 GMT -5
Indeed. The main problem with a lot of comic storylines is that they lack finality. Secret Wars 2015 ended the saga of the Fantastic Four for good. The X-Men kinda meander because they never get their goal.
It's also a good point. Having minorities take up the mantle isn't a bad thing at all. You have to do it intelligently though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 12:20:04 GMT -5
Bookstore Graphic Novel sales in 2017, according to Nielsen BookScan. www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-268-looking-at-bookscan-2017-and-this-time-its-certified/Here's an interesting article by Brian Hibbs at Comicsbeat looking at graphic novel sales at Bookstores that scan books at the Point-of-Sale (POS system) and share the info with BookScan, a subsidiary of The NPD Group (they bought it from Nielsen). The results are by no means definitive, in terms of sales beyond bookstores that contribute to the POS system, and somewhat confusing, but, can give you an idea of the general trend in sales. It'd be great if we could get something similar from Amazon. Anyways, here's the top 750 graphic novels of 2017: www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/EDIT-BookScan-17-Top-750.htmI've added the relevant part of the article regarding Marvel below in bold. Marvel come in 7th place on the Western publisher list. Scholastic is in first place for the third year running, followed by DC. #7 MARVEL COMICSDropping down to #7 (previously #5) Western publisher within the Top 750 in 2017 is Marvel Comics, which places 50 titles for about 379k copies and $7.8m sold.
Here is how Marvel looks in the Top 750:
Year # of placing titles Unit sales Dollar sales 2003 73 455,553 $8,428,962 2004 50 227,985 $3,756,764 2005 26 153,317 $2,459,027 2006 33 294,852 $5,702,307 2007 37 376,918 $7,599,057 2008 38 303,639 $6,446,359 2009 34 226,541 $5,019,216 2010 33 206,273 $4,979,323 2011 27 128,364 $3,303,496 2012 32 141,145 $3,872,683 2013 39 187,598 $4,229,242 2014 53 342,706 $8,341,787 2015* 63 478,076 $10,611,981 2016* 60 555,715 $12,088,278 2017 50 378,689 $7,840,198
It is down year for Marvel, reversing six years of growth.
“Marvel” is practically synonymous with “comics” itself amongst the muggles – and they have multiple films and television shows running, well-saturating the market with awareness of their characters and effectively working as free advertising for the comics. Marvel’s publication and collection strategy is a little all over the map, with it really being unclear to the casual reader what book should be read in which order, and this chaos in the line, I believe, is the largest reason they’re not outselling DC significantly in the book market.
In advance of the film (released in Feb of 2018, don’t forget), Ta-Nehisi Coates’ “Black Panther: A Nation Under Our Feet” takes the top of Marvel charts – v1 does 28k, v2 does 17k, and v3 pulls in like 9600 copies. This will almost certainly explode on next year’s chart.
Marvel’s third best-selling comic is “Old Man Logan”, probably on the strength of the “Logan” film. Almost 17k sells there.
Marvel’s fourth best-seller is the first volume of Kieron Gillen’s “Darth Vader” (also about 17k), while the later books all chart (v2 & 3 right around 10k). Eighteen of the fifty placing Marvel titles are “Star Wars”, selling a combined 126k and $2.6m in gross sales.
Marvel’s fifth best-seller is the “Infinity Gauntlet” – something like 16k sold – this, also, is likely to soar in 2018 as the third Avengers movie does a story very similar to it.
At #6 for Marvel is “Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe” (14k) – not really the tone of the movie, and #7 is the first Ms. Marvel book “No Normal”, with almost 13k. Really that last one is one of the only books to show up without a movie or TV show connected to it (the first “Unbeatable Squirrel Girl” comes in a little over 5k, further down the chart)
No other Marvel comics top 10k in the bookstore market.
Otherwise, it’s pretty much business-as-usual on the Marvel charts this year.
Here is Marvel’s Long Tail.
Year # of listed items % Change Total Pieces % Change Total Dollars % Change Av. Sale per title Av $ per title
2007 1230 — 1,034,023 — $19,947,737 — 841 $16,218 2008 1559 26.75% 1,032,394 -0.001% $20,128,825 0.01% 662 $12,911 2009 2067 32.58% 954,335 -7.56% $19,608,696 -2.58% 462 $9,487 2010 2551 23.42% 870,597 -8.77% $19,485,662 -0.06% 352 $7,638 2011 2852 11.80% 852,187 -2.11% $20,225,728 3.80% 299 $7,092 2012 3083 8.10% 726,542 -14.74% $18,848,013 -6.81% 236 $6,114 2013 3203 3.89% 730,826 0.59% $17,820,299 -5.45% 228 $5,564 2014 3352 4.65% 918,595 25.69% $24,369,961 36.75% 274 $7,270 2015* 1882 -43.85% 1,114,414 21.32% $28,021,290 14.98% 592 $14,889 2016* 1841 -2.18% 1,277,046 14.59% $31,402,330 12.07% 694 $17,057 2017 3578 94.35% 1,142,061 -10.57% $28,201,535 -10.19% 319 $7,882
Marvel has one book over 20k, and another seven books that are over 10k.
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Post by Von K on Apr 7, 2018 5:34:01 GMT -5
Thanks Hun!
Meanwhile here's some perspective from a more literary angle from Professor Geek:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 15:57:44 GMT -5
Thanks Hun! Meanwhile here's some perspective from a more literary angle from Professor Geek: Thanks Von K. I've been checking out a couple of Professor Geek's videos, very interesting.
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Post by terryallenuk on Apr 9, 2018 12:51:54 GMT -5
Letter doing the rounds on FB regarding Marvel's discounting:
To: John Nee, Publisher, Marvel Comics CC: David Gabriel, VP of Sales CC: C.B. Cebulski, Editor-in-Chief
An open letter.
I was extremely disappointed at Marvel comics’ performance at the Diamond summit this week. NOT because of C.B. -- he very obviously has a heartfelt passion and concern for the line -- but because of the lack of preparation for, and proper response to, retailer’s sincere and existential threat from the now FIFTH week of the wild undercutting on new-this-week book product coming from Amazon. It is utterly unacceptable that Marvel is allowing 96%+-off pricing on a brand-new book like INFINITY SIBLINGS.
C.B. says you’re “trying to get to the bottom of” this, that you are “in talks”. This, to me, is the kind of situation that gets resolved in absolutely no more than 72 hours (and that’s 48 more hours than my heart tells me it really takes) because of the literal harm it is doing to an entire class of customers.
Because after FIVE weeks, five weeks where this has been reported FAR and WIDE, five weeks where that reporting is DRIVING customers to digital at the expense of print, I have decided that as of this FOC, I can no longer order new Marvel graphic novels, and have zeroed out my orders on all book format product published by Marvel at both of my stores. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS, but the way that Marvel has slow-walked this tells me its the only thing I can do.
There’s still time to change this. Ceasing this program, and coming forward publicly with a full and completely transparent accounting of what happened, and I’ll happily reinstate those orders. Blissfully, even. But my economic power of purchasing, even if it’s only a fraction of Amazon’s, is the only power I have. And there are plenty of other publishers wanting to sell me books that are bending over backwards for me so that I will have no problem filling my racks.
I don’t know everything about what Amazon does and why, but in years of watching them, what C.B. described does not match any known behavior that I have observed, nor what I have been able to discuss with other publishers about the behaviors THEY have observed. C.B.’s picture simply doesn’t make any sense -- Amazon does not take that kind of a loss on that kind of scale unless it is being made up in some other consideration from a manufacturer.
I hope this is dealt with both promptly and publicly; I’d like to keep ordering new Marvel book stock.
Thank you for listening,
-B
Brian Hibbs Head Cheese, Comix Experience and Comix Experience Outpost
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 9, 2018 14:26:02 GMT -5
Letter doing the rounds on FB regarding Marvel's discounting: To: John Nee, Publisher, Marvel Comics CC: David Gabriel, VP of Sales CC: C.B. Cebulski, Editor-in-Chief An open letter. I was extremely disappointed at Marvel comics’ performance at the Diamond summit this week. NOT because of C.B. -- he very obviously has a heartfelt passion and concern for the line -- but because of the lack of preparation for, and proper response to, retailer’s sincere and existential threat from the now FIFTH week of the wild undercutting on new-this-week book product coming from Amazon. It is utterly unacceptable that Marvel is allowing 96%+-off pricing on a brand-new book like INFINITY SIBLINGS. C.B. says you’re “trying to get to the bottom of” this, that you are “in talks”. This, to me, is the kind of situation that gets resolved in absolutely no more than 72 hours (and that’s 48 more hours than my heart tells me it really takes) because of the literal harm it is doing to an entire class of customers. Because after FIVE weeks, five weeks where this has been reported FAR and WIDE, five weeks where that reporting is DRIVING customers to digital at the expense of print, I have decided that as of this FOC, I can no longer order new Marvel graphic novels, and have zeroed out my orders on all book format product published by Marvel at both of my stores. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS, but the way that Marvel has slow-walked this tells me its the only thing I can do. There’s still time to change this. Ceasing this program, and coming forward publicly with a full and completely transparent accounting of what happened, and I’ll happily reinstate those orders. Blissfully, even. But my economic power of purchasing, even if it’s only a fraction of Amazon’s, is the only power I have. And there are plenty of other publishers wanting to sell me books that are bending over backwards for me so that I will have no problem filling my racks. I don’t know everything about what Amazon does and why, but in years of watching them, what C.B. described does not match any known behavior that I have observed, nor what I have been able to discuss with other publishers about the behaviors THEY have observed. C.B.’s picture simply doesn’t make any sense -- Amazon does not take that kind of a loss on that kind of scale unless it is being made up in some other consideration from a manufacturer. I hope this is dealt with both promptly and publicly; I’d like to keep ordering new Marvel book stock. Thank you for listening, -B Brian Hibbs Head Cheese, Comix Experience and Comix Experience Outpost I don't know if this is related, but after reading this, it might be: Last month, Marvel released two Masterworks and both had Diamond pre-orders BELOW 1000 copies. The average over the last 5 years or so has been floating between 1150-1250 preorders per volume (Though a Silver Age Avengers omnibus and a Master of Kung Fu trade did well to very well). Something must be seriously messed up if Brian felt the need to let everybody know what's going on with his end of the business.
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Post by terryallenuk on Apr 10, 2018 12:43:09 GMT -5
Surprising that it's a book that will be extremely in demand anyway , a Jim Starlin Thanos one , with the Avengers film coming out and the controversy over his break from Marvel , that they felt they needed to push it like this.
Terry
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