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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 2:27:35 GMT -5
I think the real problem with modern interpretations of Conan is that creators have attempted and failed to adapt the yarns for the 21st century.
And the answer cannot be found in modernizing REH's Conan - the way to appeal to a modern audience should be an emphasis on the reaction of the Civilized World to the Cimmerian.
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Post by deepermagic on Feb 2, 2018 10:28:32 GMT -5
I think the real problem with modern interpretations of Conan is that creators have attempted and failed to adapt the yarns for the 21st century. And the answer cannot be found in modernizing REH's Conan - the way to appeal to a modern audience should be an emphasis on the reaction of the Civilized World to the Cimmerian. Your finger is on it. One might even argue that Conan's very creation is to defy/mock modernity. Often when I've read REH's letters and comments on barbarism vs civilization, I half-wonder if wrapped up in his thinking of civilization is "modern" civilization. Before I could even speak to that subject I realized that was one of the major factors which drew me to REH's stories. Same with Tolkien. There is, within their fiction, a world and people that stand against modernism, revealing the ugly side of modernity, not by pointing at it, but by raising something better in its place and leaving everyone to see the contrast. That's good fiction. Once Conan is re-interpreted to fit within modernity's sensibilities then he ceases to be Conan and all of his appeal is washed away.
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Post by Von K on Feb 2, 2018 11:56:04 GMT -5
You're on the right track gentlemen
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 13:59:33 GMT -5
I think the real problem with modern interpretations of Conan is that creators have attempted and failed to adapt the yarns for the 21st century. And the answer cannot be found in modernizing REH's Conan - the way to appeal to a modern audience should be an emphasis on the reaction of the Civilized World to the Cimmerian. Your finger is on it. One might even argue that Conan's very creation is to defy/mock modernity. Often when I've read REH's letters and comments on barbarism vs civilization, I half-wonder if wrapped up in his thinking of civilization is "modern" civilization. Before I could even speak to that subject I realized that was one of the major factors which drew me to REH's stories. Same with Tolkien. There is, within their fiction, a world and people that stand against modernism, revealing the ugly side of modernity, not by pointing at it, but by raising something better in its place and leaving everyone to see the contrast. That's good fiction. Once Conan is re-interpreted to fit within modernity's sensibilities then he ceases to be Conan and all of his appeal is washed away. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 14:01:26 GMT -5
You're on the right track gentlemen Thanks for the great REH quote from the One Who Walked Alone, Von K.
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Post by ollonois on Feb 19, 2018 12:25:04 GMT -5
And what about the graphic depiction of violence we have seen in Dark Horse Conan? For instance i've been reading the last issues of Conan the slayer and there are lots and lots of blood, guts, severed head and members of the body... Will we see stuff like this in new Marvel's Conan?
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Post by lordyam on Feb 20, 2018 19:01:18 GMT -5
Dark Horse worked not just because of the violence; rereading I noticed a lot of subtext and growth. In the first seven issues Conan goes from starry eyed youth to having endured lost that would break most men; even minor characters like Kalanthes have a lot of potential (Kal represents what civilization COULD be, Janissa, despite the ridiculous demon rape, has potential as a tragic figure who wanted to escape her life only to find that she'd inadvertently trade slavery for another worse form.) The cast was also likable (Jim Owsley was the first one after Roy Thomas to get that.)
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Post by stubbs on Feb 28, 2018 12:10:04 GMT -5
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. My fingers are crossed for Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic as a creative team to begin with. It'll be interesting to how much they fold the Hyborian Age back into Marvel Universe continuity. And what about the graphic depiction of violence we have seen in Dark Horse Conan? For instance i've been reading the last issues of Conan the slayer and there are lots and lots of blood, guts, severed head and members of the body... Will we see stuff like this in new Marvel's Conan? If they publish Conan in the Max imprint they can go as far or further with the violence and mature themes, but I think only the Punisher has been consistently published in Max. The current Old Man Logan comic has a level of violence that would be enough for a good Conan comic I'd say. I'd love for them to do a standard Conan comic and a Savage Sword-style Max one as well, featuring other S&S characters. Does anyone know the status of the other REH characters Dark Horse owns? Is it just Conan going over to Marvel or Solomon Kane, Dark Agnes etc as well?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 13:17:25 GMT -5
I think this'll be a good thread to discuss the approach, direction and format of a new Conan series at Marvel. Should Marvel approach the new Conan series in a similar fashion to Glénat with top creators assigned to Original Graphic Novels? With Adaptations and Pastiche?
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Should Marvel carry on with the traditional 20 page comic book format? With Adaptations and Pastiche?
Should Marvel try something different? One thing I'd like to emphasize is that I'm not talking about the reprints, like the probable Omnibus, Epic editions that Marvel will publish. Just the new stuff.
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Post by terryallenuk on May 12, 2018 14:35:22 GMT -5
Know doubt if they did it as a monthly it would have a very successful launch but I can't see it being a long on-going series as Marvel seem to have a higher cancellation sales figure than say Dark Horse . So my preference would be the graphic novel , but the French and Italians have stolen their thunder somewhat. Honestly as someone who's lived through the Marvel and Dark Horse versions I'm at a loss if this is going to work , hope I'm wrong.
Terry
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Post by johnnypt on May 12, 2018 19:58:17 GMT -5
That's a good question. The traditional monthly issue format doesn't really interest me much any more, but I have to think they're going to do something along the lines of a regular monthly comic. I think at this point they should strike out on their own. If they are going to do any adaptation, they should start with the ones DH has not done recently (Red & Black, Pool and Tombalku).
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Post by Char-Vell on May 13, 2018 7:22:22 GMT -5
I think I've put this out there before. If it was up to me they would just start Savage Sword back up as though it had never ended.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 15:30:57 GMT -5
I think I've put this out there before. If it was up to me they would just start Savage Sword back up as though it had never ended. I'd love to see something like the old SSOC come back. I think a Conan Original Graphic Novel is the closest we can get to something like the SSOC these days - with a beautifully painted cover, of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 15:51:29 GMT -5
Know doubt if they did it as a monthly it would have a very successful launch but I can't see it being a long on-going series as Marvel seem to have a higher cancellation sales figure than say Dark Horse . So my preference would be the graphic novel , but the French and Italians have stolen their thunder somewhat. Honestly as someone who's lived through the Marvel and Dark Horse versions I'm at a loss if this is going to work , hope I'm wrong. Terry I agree, I think initially, the launch will be successful, I mean they can't get that wrong, can they? But, I can't see the series lasting that long with the way sales have been over the last few years. They can always delay the inevitable cancellation by having a massive ' Marvel Hyborian Age' crossover with Thoth-Amon acquiring the Infinity Gauntlet. Karanthes will establish contact with Dr. Strange and warn him of the threat to the reality of the present Marvel Universe. Dr. Strange and the Avengers go back in time to the Hyborian Age, team up with Conan, and defeat Thoth-Amon. Unfortunately, the Avengers cannot return to the 21st century and then we can have another crossover the following year: Marvel's Hyborian Exiles
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Post by stubbs on May 14, 2018 5:58:02 GMT -5
Kind of combing the original GN and regular monthly ideas, I think I'd like to see a series of semi-regular mini-series, preferably under the Max imprint, which would then be collected as GNs. However, I really have no idea if that would be commercially viable. I'm also not really desperate for new adaptations of stories already covered by DH. I'm very curious about the approach Marvel are going to take, especially to what extent they involve Conan in the wider Marvel Universe.
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