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Post by themirrorthief on Oct 2, 2018 11:14:12 GMT -5
Vladimir has never contacted me about anything and I have never voted in an American Presidential election and I absolutely love the new Russian Sword and Sorcery flicks which are becoming better than anything made in the States btw. On the other hand I have eyes and ears and I notice a lot of bias in the "news" which isnt news but political propaganda for the most part. I do resent it when certain people are called names for exercising their freedom of speech. I respect everyone's opinions but please allow me to have mine too...isnt that fair???
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Post by deepermagic on Oct 2, 2018 12:23:50 GMT -5
Man, I just caught the rumors (five or six pages back...yeah, I slogged through the rest) about Amazon passing on the show.
My gut tells me there were at least three things that factor into the decision (if the rumors are true):
1) Fantasy overload. Seems with LOTR and WOT and whatever else they got cooking, Conan could be seen as superfluous.
2) The new head of Amazon studios changing gears. My assumption is Conan screamed Toxic Masculinity and because of #1 it was easy for her to let it go. That's just a hunch, but it just as easily could have fallen by the wayside simply because the decision was made by a previous studio head and wasn't a priority for the current head.
3) The script was awesome and stuck to the spirit of REH. It's been debated for 60+ pages here whether or not things REH wrote should be transferred to the screen for a post-modern politically correct audience. Seems like the guys who have read the script all claim it was awesome and reflective of REH...which probably means people who make claims like the current Amazon Studio's head wouldn't be happy with it.
The silver lining is that we live in an age where there are lots of different outlets. I have a feeling that if the script is awesome, someone will be willing to do something with it. That could certainly work against it just as much as it could work for it.
That said. I'm not holding my breath for anything anytime soon. Pretty bummed about it.
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Post by themirrorthief on Oct 2, 2018 12:27:38 GMT -5
I will call up old Vlad and see what he can do...seems like he controls everything in the USA these days...or so I hear..hahaha
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 2, 2018 12:57:45 GMT -5
Man, I just caught the rumors (five or six pages back...yeah, I slogged through the rest) about Amazon passing on the show. My gut tells me there were at least three things that factor into the decision (if the rumors are true): 1) Fantasy overload. Seems with LOTR and WOT and whatever else they got cooking, Conan could be seen as superfluous. 2) The new head of Amazon studios changing gears. My assumption is Conan screamed Toxic Masculinity and because of #1 it was easy for her to let it go. That's just a hunch, but it just as easily could have fallen by the wayside simply because the decision was made by a previous studio head and wasn't a priority for the current head. 3) The script was awesome and stuck to the spirit of REH. It's been debated for 60+ pages here whether or not things REH wrote should be transferred to the screen for a post-modern politically correct audience. Seems like the guys who have read the script all claim it was awesome and reflective of REH...which probably means people who make claims like the current Amazon Studio's head wouldn't be happy with it. The silver lining is that we live in an age where there are lots of different outlets. I have a feeling that if the script is awesome, someone will be willing to do something with it. That could certainly work against it just as much as it could work for it. That said. I'm not holding my breath for anything anytime soon. Pretty bummed about it. If you read Jen's very first sentence in the press release regarding why they want to do the WoT series...hard to come to any another conclusion. None of the other people who are quoted in the article mention that aspect of the story. Hey, if it's a good series, I'll be more than happy to watch because I know they won't be running out of material any time soon.
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Post by deepermagic on Oct 2, 2018 13:10:19 GMT -5
Man, I just caught the rumors (five or six pages back...yeah, I slogged through the rest) about Amazon passing on the show. My gut tells me there were at least three things that factor into the decision (if the rumors are true): 1) Fantasy overload. Seems with LOTR and WOT and whatever else they got cooking, Conan could be seen as superfluous. 2) The new head of Amazon studios changing gears. My assumption is Conan screamed Toxic Masculinity and because of #1 it was easy for her to let it go. That's just a hunch, but it just as easily could have fallen by the wayside simply because the decision was made by a previous studio head and wasn't a priority for the current head. 3) The script was awesome and stuck to the spirit of REH. It's been debated for 60+ pages here whether or not things REH wrote should be transferred to the screen for a post-modern politically correct audience. Seems like the guys who have read the script all claim it was awesome and reflective of REH...which probably means people who make claims like the current Amazon Studio's head wouldn't be happy with it. The silver lining is that we live in an age where there are lots of different outlets. I have a feeling that if the script is awesome, someone will be willing to do something with it. That could certainly work against it just as much as it could work for it. That said. I'm not holding my breath for anything anytime soon. Pretty bummed about it. If you read Jen's very first sentence in the press release regarding why they want to do the WoT series...hard to come to any another conclusion. None of the other people who are quoted in the article mention that aspect of the story. Hey, if it's a good series, I'll be more than happy to watch because I know they won't be running out of material any time soon. I had to look up the quote: Yikes. I hadn't read that before. That really supports my assumption in #2. Really, with this kind of vision (be it Salke or Kennedy) of Agenda before Story, probably for the best that Amazon parted ways with Conan. Makes me fear for Lord of the Rings though.
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 2, 2018 13:24:28 GMT -5
If you read Jen's very first sentence in the press release regarding why they want to do the WoT series...hard to come to any another conclusion. None of the other people who are quoted in the article mention that aspect of the story. Hey, if it's a good series, I'll be more than happy to watch because I know they won't be running out of material any time soon. I had to look up the quote: Yikes. I hadn't read that before. That really supports my assumption in #2. Really, with this kind of vision (be it Salke or Kennedy) of Agenda before Story, probably for the best that Amazon parted ways with Conan. Makes me fear for Lord of the Rings though. Kind of what I was thinking, Middle Earth is particularly light on the female assemblage apart from Galadriel, Arwen and...well, then you gotta go back to Luthien I suppose. Otherwise, it's just wives and daughters of this one and that one. If they decided to link it to PJ's ME and the first returning cast member is Evangeline Lilly, well...
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Post by moonlightshadow on Oct 2, 2018 14:12:47 GMT -5
There are two planned TV series that I guarantee you will be filmed: "The Lord of the Rings" and the "Game of Thrones" spin-off. I'd bet a large amount of money on that.
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 2, 2018 14:28:53 GMT -5
There are two planned TV series that I guarantee you will be filmed: "The Lord of the Rings" and the "Game of Thrones" spin-off. I'd bet a large amount of money on that. Amazon already dropped a quarter billion on LOTR, they're making it one way or the other!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 15:45:40 GMT -5
Maybe the lack of a supporting cast that can be utilized throughout most of the series probably did not help. I can imagine that being quite a difficult question to answer convincingly when pitching the concept of the series. The characters are there, but, not for long.
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 16:13:39 GMT -5
Yep, right up Jen's alley! At least they won't run into the problem Dave & DB did with GoT, they have a LOT of material to go through! I wonder if it'll live up to the promise of Winter Dragon (sarcasm HEAVILY intended!): It's exactly what we figured. With Salke at the helm its a good thing she passed on Conan. When Conan is done I want it done the REH way and that means that the people behind the production need to really care about the project. Salke would rather eat vomit than produce a Conan show.
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 16:17:17 GMT -5
Maybe the lack of a supporting cast that can be utilized throughout most of the series probably did not help. I can imagine that being quite a difficult question to answer convincingly when pitching the concept of the series. The characters are there, but, not for long. That is a fair critique... although if done properly it could also work to the series' advantage because no one else is doing "that" right now at all (and maybe never have). The reason for doing it wouldn't be gimicky as it would actually be serving the story positively the way REH laid it out for us. With all influx of the fantasy/sos genre doing something that sets you apart from the pack (again if done well and properly) can be what propels you to the top.
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 16:25:46 GMT -5
If you read Jen's very first sentence in the press release regarding why they want to do the WoT series...hard to come to any another conclusion. None of the other people who are quoted in the article mention that aspect of the story. Hey, if it's a good series, I'll be more than happy to watch because I know they won't be running out of material any time soon. I had to look up the quote: Yikes. I hadn't read that before. That really supports my assumption in #2. Really, with this kind of vision (be it Salke or Kennedy) of Agenda before Story, probably for the best that Amazon parted ways with Conan. Makes me fear for Lord of the Rings though. I agree with you. LOTR looks like it could be in serious danger here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 16:40:10 GMT -5
Maybe the lack of a supporting cast that can be utilized throughout most of the series probably did not help. I can imagine that being quite a difficult question to answer convincingly when pitching the concept of the series. The characters are there, but, not for long. That is a fair critique... although if done properly it could also work to the series' advantage because no one else is doing "that" right now at all (and maybe never have). The reason for doing it wouldn't be gimicky as it would actually be serving the story positively the way REH laid it out for us. With all influx of the fantasy/sos genre doing something that sets you apart from the pack (again if done well and properly) can be what propels you to the top. As you say it is possible, and if done properly could be an advantage, but, for some reason it's real tough for Conan out there... and it is not just the subjects that we have (sometimes passionately) covered in this thread - there's a real snobbery out there about REH and Conan, and it's gonna be real tough to convince his critics otherwise. It took decades for us to get REH's original Conan yarns, now the same needs to be achieved on screen. It is of the utmost importance the audience get to see the real Conan, REH's Conan, in a feature length animation/live action movie or series. The first phase (I'm talking about over a decade here) should involve introducing the world of REH to the audience, and then, and only then, once the work of REH is established and recognized by the audience can we really talking about really expanding on his creations on screen.
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Post by megatron on Oct 2, 2018 16:46:54 GMT -5
That is a fair critique... although if done properly it could also work to the series' advantage because no one else is doing "that" right now at all (and maybe never have). The reason for doing it wouldn't be gimicky as it would actually be serving the story positively the way REH laid it out for us. With all influx of the fantasy/sos genre doing something that sets you apart from the pack (again if done well and properly) can be what propels you to the top. As you say it is possible, and if done properly could be an advantage, but, for some reason it's real tough for Conan out there... and it is not just the subjects that we have (sometimes passionately) covered in this thread - there's a real snobbery out there about REH and Conan, and it's gonna be real tough to convince his critics otherwise. It took decades for us to get REH's original Conan yarns, now the same needs to be achieved on screen. It is of the utmost importance the audience get to see the real Conan, REH's Conan, in a feature length animation/live action movie or series. The first phase (I'm talking about over a decade here) should involve introducing the world of REH to the audience, and then, and only then, once the work of REH is established and recognized by the audience can we really talking about really expanding on his creations on screen. I agree 100% with everything you've said above. Totally agree.
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Post by terryallenuk on Oct 2, 2018 17:10:02 GMT -5
Until someone is geared up to get REH's Conan up on screen happy to wait - but not too long please I'm getting on in years LOL. We don't want another bastardized version ala Arnie , Ralf , Jason (though I liked him not the film ) which will take years to get rid of the bad press.
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