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Post by johnnypt on Oct 21, 2019 12:00:40 GMT -5
I think the gap between recent issues of CtB has not helped. Jason Aaron could have told this story in a 6 issue story-arc. The exploration into the past of the Cimmerian with one-shots has not worked and obviously readers have lost interest. Yeah, when you're telling a long story for the seeming sole purpose of telling a long story AND you have a delay...well, the numbers end up speaking for themselves.
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Post by Taurus on Oct 21, 2019 15:15:39 GMT -5
32 SAVAGE AVENGERS #5 44,615 76 CONAN THE BARBARIAN #9 26,923 93 AGE OF CONAN VALERIA #2 23,409 106 SAVAGE SWORD OF CONAN #9 21,106 166 MARVEL COMICS #1000 13,02 (Conan's got a page) 364 CONAN THE BARBARIAN #1 2,533 (wow, re-re-reorders...) 432 SAVAGE AVENGERS #4 1,429 (reorders) 477 AGE OF CONAN BELIT #1 1,163 (did they have some kind of discount-please take these off our hands?) The CTB #9 is kind of troubling in the sense it's a big drop from the previous issue. But it did miss a month so minor caveat. But 4 Conan releases almost in the top 100 isn't bad. Trades 60 AGE OF CONAN TP BELIT 1,262 Considering DH sold less with better material, call it a win. 438 CONAN THE BARBARIAN TP VOL 01 LIFE AND DEATH OF CONAN BOOK ONE 190 (reorders) Hard to know if the Conan comic line is helping fund/propel the reissue line or vice versa...or a little of both. They may not need a big seller, just a consistent one. That's quite a drop on orders for CtB. At this rate Marvel will have to relaunch both CtB & SSOC before the 50th anniversary next summer. I don't understand why you guys are enjoying these stories. They are subpar material. Last night I reread Conan the Barbarian # 2 and the story is in general just silly. Those gigantic snakes who fight the picts are there only for the sake of being there. It is only a bad reason for Conan to slash something during the story. There is no proper introduction to the character (the snakes), no suspense, no terror, no background, no emotion, no deepness, it is just a shalow, dumb monster that does not represent a real menace at all. Everything is very frivolous. And Conan being friends with the Picts is something Howard would never do (in my opinion). Just one more bad comic to add to the many other bad Conan comics Marvel has produced. I am yet to read a great Conan story in this new runs of Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword. Yes, Marvel will be relaunching these titles sooner or later because they can't hold their ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 0:11:24 GMT -5
That's quite a drop on orders for CtB. At this rate Marvel will have to relaunch both CtB & SSOC before the 50th anniversary next summer. I don't understand why you guys are enjoying these stories. They are subpar material. Last night I reread Conan the Barbarian # 2 and the story is in general just silly. Those gigantic snakes who fight the picts are there only for the sake of being there. It is only a bad reason for Conan to slash something during the story. There is no proper introduction to the character (the snakes), no suspense, no terror, no background, no emotion, no deepness, it is just a shalow, dumb monster that does not represent a real menace at all. Everything is very frivolous. And Conan being friends with the Picts is something Howard would never do (in my opinion). Just one more bad comic to add to the many other bad Conan comics Marvel has produced. I am yet to read a great Conan story in this new runs of Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword. Yes, Marvel will be relaunching these titles sooner or later because they can't hold their ground. I have not enjoyed all the new stories by Marvel, far from it. But, I do have to admit I do like Conan the Barbarian #2. I think SSOC has improved a great deal in the last few issues. Is it enough for sales to improve? I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 1:53:34 GMT -5
Below I have posted the estimated figures (Marvel comics only) between 20k to 40k.
Black Panther and Agents of Wakanda 1 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 39,879 Valkyrie Jane Foster 3 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 39,564 Web of Black Widow 1 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 38,627 Guardians of the Galaxy 9 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 38,549 Miles Morales Spider-Man 10 $4.99 09/12/19 Marvel 37,380 Star Wars 71 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 37,031 Daredevil 11 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 35,343 Captain America 14 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 34,405 Absolute Carnage Lethal Protectors 2 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 34,372 Agents of Atlas 2 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 32,051 New Mutants War Children 1 $4.99 09/26/19 Marvel 31,620 History of Marvel Universe 3 $4.99 09/19/19 Marvel 29,688 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 12 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 29,431 Amazing Spider-Man Going Big 1 $4.99 09/05/19 Marvel 29,274 Wolverine Annual 1 $4.99 09/26/19 Marvel 29,030 Invisible Woman 3 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 28,470 Aero 3 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 28,012 Captain Marvel 10 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 27,498 Conan The Barbarian 9 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 26,923 Ghost-Spider 2 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 25,854 Star Wars Age of Resistance Kylo Ren 1 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 25,727 Star Wars Target Vader 3 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 25,528 Punisher 15 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 25,513 Black Cat 4 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 25,236 Spider-Man Velocity 2 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 25,055 Dead Man Logan 11 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 24,598 Star Wars Age of Resistance Rey 1 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 24,467 Moon Knight Annual 1 $4.99 09/12/19 Marvel 24,442 Gwenpool Strikes Back 2 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 24,346 Punisher Kill Krew 2 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 24,113 Doctor Strange 19 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 24,057 Thanos 6 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 23,476 Age of Conan Valeria 2 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 23,409 Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order Dark Temple 1 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 23,204 Star Wars Age of Resistance Supreme Leader Snoke 1 $3.99 09/12/19 Marvel 22,853 Guardians of the Galaxy Prodigal Sun 1 $4.99 09/12/19 Marvel 22,394 Future Foundation 2 $3.99 09/05/19 Marvel 21,731 Ghost Spider Annual 1 $4.99 09/05/19 Marvel 21,639 Savage Sword of Conan 9 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 21,106 Star Wars Age of Resistance Rose Tico 1 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 20,559 Star Wars Doctor Aphra 36 $3.99 09/19/19 Marvel 20,501 Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order Dark Temple 2 $3.99 09/26/19 Marvel 20,153
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 22, 2019 7:35:31 GMT -5
That's quite a drop on orders for CtB. At this rate Marvel will have to relaunch both CtB & SSOC before the 50th anniversary next summer. I don't understand why you guys are enjoying these stories. They are subpar material. Last night I reread Conan the Barbarian # 2 and the story is in general just silly. Those gigantic snakes who fight the picts are there only for the sake of being there. It is only a bad reason for Conan to slash something during the story. There is no proper introduction to the character (the snakes), no suspense, no terror, no background, no emotion, no deepness, it is just a shalow, dumb monster that does not represent a real menace at all. Everything is very frivolous. And Conan being friends with the Picts is something Howard would never do (in my opinion). Just one more bad comic to add to the many other bad Conan comics Marvel has produced. I am yet to read a great Conan story in this new runs of Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword. Yes, Marvel will be relaunching these titles sooner or later because they can't hold their ground. SSOC #10 is the first one I've fully enjoyed in a year. There are two or three other issues along the way that are kind of enjoyable with caveats that you forget a lot of other stories. #2 was one of them, it was borderline towards falling into a mess but held. SSOC #6 was also pretty good. After that...not much else. Note that the ones I'm liking are the ones that are set squarely in a specific point in his life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:01:04 GMT -5
I think it is difficult these days in how to approach a Conan comic. The initial Conan run at Marvel did a fine job adapting the yarns and decades later we got to see many of those adaptations again at Dark Horse. The only thing that Marvel has got right is that there is no point in updating the adaptations again.
It just looks like comic book creators really don't know what to do with Conan.
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Post by Taurus on Oct 22, 2019 11:53:24 GMT -5
I don't understand why you guys are enjoying these stories. They are subpar material. Last night I reread Conan the Barbarian # 2 and the story is in general just silly. Those gigantic snakes who fight the picts are there only for the sake of being there. It is only a bad reason for Conan to slash something during the story. There is no proper introduction to the character (the snakes), no suspense, no terror, no background, no emotion, no deepness, it is just a shalow, dumb monster that does not represent a real menace at all. Everything is very frivolous. And Conan being friends with the Picts is something Howard would never do (in my opinion). Just one more bad comic to add to the many other bad Conan comics Marvel has produced. I am yet to read a great Conan story in this new runs of Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword. Yes, Marvel will be relaunching these titles sooner or later because they can't hold their ground. I have not enjoyed all the new stories by Marvel, far from it. But, I do have to admit I do like Conan the Barbarian #2. I think SSOC has improved a great deal in the last few issues. Is it enough for sales to improve? I dunno. I hope things get better because Conan deserves a top quality product just like Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men and many others. I understand people enjoying the series here and there, but I am the type of guy that believe it is possible to deliver a great product every month when it comes to Conan and it is only a question of willing to do it.
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Post by Taurus on Oct 22, 2019 11:56:33 GMT -5
I don't understand why you guys are enjoying these stories. They are subpar material. Last night I reread Conan the Barbarian # 2 and the story is in general just silly. Those gigantic snakes who fight the picts are there only for the sake of being there. It is only a bad reason for Conan to slash something during the story. There is no proper introduction to the character (the snakes), no suspense, no terror, no background, no emotion, no deepness, it is just a shalow, dumb monster that does not represent a real menace at all. Everything is very frivolous. And Conan being friends with the Picts is something Howard would never do (in my opinion). Just one more bad comic to add to the many other bad Conan comics Marvel has produced. I am yet to read a great Conan story in this new runs of Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword. Yes, Marvel will be relaunching these titles sooner or later because they can't hold their ground. SSOC #10 is the first one I've fully enjoyed in a year. There are two or three other issues along the way that are kind of enjoyable with caveats that you forget a lot of other stories. #2 was one of them, it was borderline towards falling into a mess but held. SSOC #6 was also pretty good. After that...not much else. Note that the ones I'm liking are the ones that are set squarely in a specific point in his life. I will read SSOC # 10 and leave my impressions here. I will leave positive and negative feedback. I don't want to be the guy that only complains about everything.
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Post by Taurus on Oct 22, 2019 12:03:30 GMT -5
I think it is difficult these days in how to approach a Conan comic. The initial Conan run at Marvel did a fine job adapting the yarns and decades later we got to see many of those adaptations again at Dark Horse. The only thing that Marvel has got right is that there is no point in updating the adaptations again. It just looks like comic book creators really don't know what to do with Conan. Exactly, I also don't see the point of updating Howard adaptations. Dark Horse did a very good job until Queen of the Black Coast was released. From that point on, they made many editorial mistakes and paid for it. Although Dark Horse`s Queen of the Black Coast was a disaster, this is a story I think could still be expanded. I like the original Thomas/Buscema run, but I have always felt this great story asked for a mature focus, old Savage Sword of Conan style. Glenat has recently updated it but the artist they chose to illustrate did not have a mature style, but a very cartoony one. It is unfortunately the only Glenat adaptation I felt left something to be desired. If Marvel created a mature Queen of the Black Coast arch, it would be a very good idea. There is no need to adapt what Howard wrote, but there is infinite room to create plots involving the Hyborean Age and piracy (no pistols this time, please).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 12:28:24 GMT -5
I have not enjoyed all the new stories by Marvel, far from it. But, I do have to admit I do like Conan the Barbarian #2. I think SSOC has improved a great deal in the last few issues. Is it enough for sales to improve? I dunno. I hope things get better because Conan deserves a top quality product just like Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men and many others. I understand people enjoying the series here and there, but I am the type of guy that believe it is possible to deliver a great product every month when it comes to Conan and it is only a question of willing to do it. Yeah, I agree, Conan deserves better. I think Marvel need to decide what they're gonna do with the character. I like what Hickman is doing with the X-Men. I have not read a Batman or Spider-Man book in ages.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 12:34:57 GMT -5
I think it is difficult these days in how to approach a Conan comic. The initial Conan run at Marvel did a fine job adapting the yarns and decades later we got to see many of those adaptations again at Dark Horse. The only thing that Marvel has got right is that there is no point in updating the adaptations again. It just looks like comic book creators really don't know what to do with Conan. Exactly, I also don't see the point of updating Howard adaptations. Dark Horse did a very good job until Queen of the Black Coast was released. From that point on, they made many editorial mistakes and paid for it. Although Dark Horse`s Queen of the Black Coast was a disaster, this is a story I think could still be expanded. I like the original Thomas/Buscema run, but I have always felt this great story asked for a mature focus, old Savage Sword of Conan style. Glenat has recently updated it but the artist they chose to illustrate did not have a mature style, but a very cartoony one. It is unfortunately the only Glenat adaptation I felt left something to be desired. If Marvel created a mature Queen of the Black Coast arch, it would be a very good idea. There is no need to adapt what Howard wrote, but there is infinite room to create plots involving the Hyborean Age and piracy (no pistols this time, please). The Marvel adaptation had its problems, but to date it is by far the best version of Conan and Belit in comic book form. John Buscema's Belit was incredibly beautiful. Yeah, the Glenat adaptation was disappointing. I can't see any other Conan graphic novel by Glenat surpassing Robin Recht's adaptation of the Frost-Giant's Daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:53:43 GMT -5
Only 3 books featuring Conan managed to make it into the top 100 this October. CtB has dropped a further 11 places from 76 to 87. The full figures should be available early next week, I think. 29 SAVAGE AVENGERS #6 $3.99 AUG191043 MARVEL COMICS 72 SAVAGE AVENGERS ANNUAL #1 $4.99 AUG191044-M MARVEL COMICS 87 CONAN THE BARBARIAN #10 $3.99 AUG191105-M MARVEL COMICS Link: previewsworld.com/Article/236993-Exclusive-Octobers-Top-100-Best-Selling-Comics
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:52:48 GMT -5
An increase of around 11,000 orders for the Savage Avengers! Impressive. 29 Savage Avengers 6 $3.99 10/02/19 Marvel 56,02572 Savage Avengers Annual 1 $4.99 10/30/19 Marvel 33,29787 Conan The Barbarian 10 $3.99 10/30/19 Marvel 25,867131 Savage Sword of Conan 10 $3.99 10/16/19 Marvel 20,367197 Age of Conan Valeria 3 $3.99 10/09/19 Marvel 12,750498 Savage Avengers 5 $3.99 09/04/19 Marvel 1,236
Link: www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-10.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:02:57 GMT -5
Graphic Novels:
130 Conan Chronicles Epic Collection Return to Cimmeria $39.99 Marvel 779
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 11, 2019 20:50:16 GMT -5
CTB and SSOC basically hold serve. Valeria has lost interest of the audience unfortunately for it.
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