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Post by mindboggled on Feb 16, 2019 19:51:26 GMT -5
Picked up a copy today and read it. Hmmm...kind of disappointed, was really hoping for it to be better than CTB. Oh well at least CTB is quite good, and getting gradually better with each installment. I won't give up on the new SSOC yet! I'll give it a couple of issues before dropping it from my pull list.
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Post by kemp on Feb 16, 2019 20:47:32 GMT -5
I read it on the train back from work so it passed the time. As a standalone series, for someone not familiar with the old mags, I think it would be adequate, and some of the old fans will like it. Most of my criticism comes from comparing it to the original SSOC, something I can’t help. If it was called something else I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it. It’s too similar to CtB for my liking, though the story and premise didn’t interest me in the same way as the story in the new CtB. I think CtB is definitely more successful when it comes to continuing off from its original incarnation, more so than SSOC which failed miserably in that regard ( in my opinion ). I’m not going to comment on the future SSOC issues as I will not be reading them. This is a different product, a comic trying to ride on the coattails of the SSOC name. I know that Marvel is putting out black and white editions, but I hope that the printing is from true B & W pencil and ink as opposed to digital alteration alone. Some will like all three titles and collect them all. That’s cool. Having said that, I will still read Conan the Barbarian as I have started with the series and I like the story and art so far. I checked out a copy with a Black & White cover today and only the cover is in B&W. Marvel is really jumping on the first issue grab. Too much of that these days, reboots and relaunches type of thing. The black & white cover thing would be like if Marvel back in the original SSOC series run had given us a colour Joe Chiodo cover and than come out with a black & white version. Back then, they could trust a decent one issue per month to keep things going without the side show acts to try and pull in the fans. An occasional black and white cover is fine or even an annual with a colour interior, but generally speaking SSOC is supposed to have a full colour cover, preferably from a painted original, with black & white pencil and ink interior art
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 23:42:14 GMT -5
I checked out a copy with a Black & White cover today and only the cover is in B&W. Marvel is really jumping on the first issue grab. Too much of that these days, reboots and relaunches type of thing. The black & white cover thing would be like if Marvel back in the original SSOC series run had given us a colour Joe Chiodo cover and than come out with a black & white version. Back then, they could trust a decent one issue per month to keep things going without the side show acts to try and pull in the fans. An occasional black and white cover is fine or even an annual with a colour interior, but generally speaking SSOC is supposed to have a full colour cover, preferably from a painted original, with black & white pencil and ink interior art Yeah, it's really unfortunate the way most Marvel books get relaunched within a year or even within a story-arc these days. But for now it's the only way that retailers will order more issues, and Marvel can make money in the short term. A lot will depend on the artist for the next story-arc, unless it's a superstar artist (which will hopefully increase orders for Marvel) they will have to relaunch SSOC again within a year. It's just the way the market is now. I think you're right the book should have remained true to the old SSOC format with a painted cover and B&W interiors. I don't think anyone really takes any notice of the legacy numbering of the Marvel books, this in no way a continuation of the old series.
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Post by kemp on Feb 17, 2019 4:45:55 GMT -5
Marvel is really jumping on the first issue grab. Too much of that these days, reboots and relaunches type of thing. The black & white cover thing would be like if Marvel back in the original SSOC series run had given us a colour Joe Chiodo cover and than come out with a black & white version. Back then, they could trust a decent one issue per month to keep things going without the side show acts to try and pull in the fans. An occasional black and white cover is fine or even an annual with a colour interior, but generally speaking SSOC is supposed to have a full colour cover, preferably from a painted original, with black & white pencil and ink interior art Yeah, it's really unfortunate the way most Marvel books get relaunched within a year or even within a story-arc these days. But for now it's the only way that retailers will order more issues, and Marvel can make money in the short term. A lot will depend on the artist for the next story-arc, unless it's a superstar artist (which will hopefully increase orders for Marvel) they will have to relaunch SSOC again within a year. It's just the way the market is now. I think you're right the book should have remained true to the old SSOC format with a painted cover and B&W interiors. I don't think anyone really takes any notice of the legacy numbering of the Marvel books, this in no way a continuation of the old series. Marvel struggled in decades past, ugly in fighting, shares and rest of it, but they are raking in billions these days, in strong part from the success of the films. I'm sure they could afford to have stuck to the right formula when it came to SSOC, also makes sense from a purely monetary point of view, but they thought they could cheap out and still get the returns. Yeah, many retailers have bought into the multiple editions thing, getting the same consumer to buy lots of the same stuff in another wrapper for collecting and investment returns. Seems like publishers are increasingly courting the collector market. Short term success, and if the title flops after the first run, just keep churning out relaunches and building hype around them , hoping that next time around it will be better and the returns will be bigger. People will buy, but high prices and declining quality and the same people will quit buying..... another relaunch. Seems to be the state of things these days. In the meantime fans are sometimes ignored, but I am digressing here. I know that the guy serving me in one of the major comic and entertainment centres in my city lamented the fact that the new 'SSOC' was not the big magazine it was formerly, and hoping that would change. Marvel have said nothing about the format. Appreciate your knowledgeable contributions on the industry side of the comic book market Hun. Myself, I'm just feeling around the place, but those are just my observations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 10:38:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really unfortunate the way most Marvel books get relaunched within a year or even within a story-arc these days. But for now it's the only way that retailers will order more issues, and Marvel can make money in the short term. A lot will depend on the artist for the next story-arc, unless it's a superstar artist (which will hopefully increase orders for Marvel) they will have to relaunch SSOC again within a year. It's just the way the market is now. I think you're right the book should have remained true to the old SSOC format with a painted cover and B&W interiors. I don't think anyone really takes any notice of the legacy numbering of the Marvel books, this in no way a continuation of the old series. Marvel struggled in decades past, ugly in fighting, shares and rest of it, but they are raking in billions these days, in strong part from the success of the films. I'm sure they could afford to have stuck to the right formula when it came to SSOC, also makes sense from a purely monetary point of view, but they thought they could cheap out and still get the returns. Yeah, many retailers have bought into the multiple editions thing, getting the same consumer to buy lots of the same stuff in another wrapper for collecting and investment returns. Seems like publishers are increasingly courting the collector market. Short term success, and if the title flops after the first run, just keep churning out relaunches and building hype around them , hoping that next time around it will be better and the returns will be bigger. People will buy, but high prices and declining quality and the same people will quit buying..... another relaunch. Seems to be the state of things these days. In the meantime fans are sometimes ignored, but I am digressing here. I know that the guy serving me in one of the major comic and entertainment centres in my city lamented the fact that the new 'SSOC' was not the big magazine it was formerly, and hoping that would change. Marvel have said nothing about the format. Appreciate your knowledgeable contributions on the industry side of the comic book market Hun. Myself, I'm just feeling around the place, but those are just my observations. Trust me, I'm not that knowledgeable on the comic book industry or anything concerning Pabst Blue Ribbon
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Post by Peter on Feb 18, 2019 3:59:42 GMT -5
I finally got to read this first issue and overall I enjoyed it well enough. The story itself was fine, I liked seeing Conan at his most uncompromising best, mixed with the brashness of youth. His fight for survival and freedom was good, and then we enter the realms of wierd with the captain, an further into the mystic with a vision of a mind map of sorts, and a possible future chance encounter with a mysterious traveler and new foe. Mmmm, something going on here and I 'll continue with it to find out more.
Although, even though we are at early days here, I do hope that Marvel realises that Conan doesn't have to be surrounded by the mystical and magical in every adventure. It would be nice, and I hope we see some complete arcs where Conan's adventures are free of any esoterical elements.
Ron Garney's art was a bit of a let down for me, he is a good artist but this issue's artwork does not really appeal to me, and I think that Richard Isanove's colours saved it to a degree. I am sure that we will see better from Garney as I have seen some really nice art from him. Although in saying that, Garney's artwork does give this tale a rough edge, and if that is what they were striving for, then they succeeded.
Part 1 of 'The Shadow of Vengeance' was interesting and looks promising. Of course we all knew what the one name was going to be, love it.
All in all I was quite happy with it, but please Marvel, do not try to tell us that this is the 'Savage Sword of Conan' in your continued numbering, because Savage Sword of Conan was a monthly B & W magazine which could delve into a more mature context within its' storytelling, with the odd boobie here and there thrown in for good measure, and with room enough within its' pages to have the occasional second illustrated short story. This is not it, this is just another coloured normal size comic. I didn't mention the gun. Damn, i just did. How many people saw that before it got to print.
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Post by kemp on Feb 18, 2019 6:31:40 GMT -5
Perhaps I am a little harsh considering that the new SSOC was an ok comic, story and art acceptable, but it seems to me that Marvel is doing a massive mis-direct to try and pull the wool over the eyes of Conan fans into thinking they're getting the SSOC they really wanted. This is a bit of a low blow to fans, treating them like idiots lining up to the trough. Let's take the ever loving and loyal fan base and hornswoggle them with another Conan comic that just happens to have an SSOC title because they have the rights to slap it on and number it like it continues from where it ended in the 90’s. Many of the fans have seen through it all. The last time something right was done by SSOC would have been the trade paperback collections by Dark Horse collecting the original Savage Sword of Conan stories. One of the better collections. Probably the best way to read or reread the original SSOC stories, especially if you have a hard time tracking down an old issue or missed a couple of them. The Savage Sword of Conan: THE Original Marvel Years Omnibus Vol 1 by Marvel also seems good from what I have read about it, but the hardcover is a little pricey. They will probably come out with a cheaper softcover version later on anyway so some might want to wait. That’s about it from me on that subject.
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Post by Taurus on Feb 18, 2019 11:50:14 GMT -5
I am still waiting for a proper Conan book published by Marvel. On april, I'll be able to read something good.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 20, 2019 0:29:58 GMT -5
For what it is, this is okay. Like I've said before, when it comes to the comics I'm not nearly as picky as I am with prose pastiche. This issue introduced us to a readable tale set in the Hyborian Age involving Conan, and that's all I can really ask for in a comic. The art is okay... I think it would be better if it was left uncolored, that's for sure. The story was actually pretty cool. I'm still not sold on the whole map thing, but the serpent-man was a nice touch. Conan was still young enough here to avoid boxes with serpents on them Conan using the slaver's finger bone for a lock pick was definitely savage.... I like that Alex Ross paid homage to Ron Garney's Skaar Son of Hulk image for the cover.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:33:35 GMT -5
Nice cover by Alex Ross after Barry Windsor-Smith SAVAGE SWORD OF CONAN #5GERRY DUGGAN (W) • RON GARNEY (A) Cover by ALEX ROSS Variant Cover by MAHMUD ASRAR • The mystery of the magical treasure finally revealed! • It’s now or never, and CONAN must make a choice that will determine the fate of Stygia! • Either way, KOGA THUN will not let the Barbarian go without a fight! • Plus: The next chapter in the all-new CONAN novella, “The Shadow of Vengeance”!
32 PGS. Parental Advisory $3.99 Release Date: 8 May 2019
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:34:25 GMT -5
Variant by Mahmud Asrar:
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Post by Kavyk Takayashi on Feb 26, 2019 13:23:04 GMT -5
Are those darfari?
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Post by jbruel0 on Feb 27, 2019 9:38:03 GMT -5
Shorter and shorter story… Of no interest
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