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Post by stubbs on Nov 9, 2018 13:50:50 GMT -5
This is looking great. I'm curious what it'll look like with colours, it looks nice b&w.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 14:45:58 GMT -5
This is looking great. I'm curious what it'll look like with colours, it looks nice b&w. Got the variant cover and the splash page with Conan eating a shark in color. Not really a fan of digital art in comicbooks, especially when they overdo it with the reference work like it's almost traced. But, thankfully you can really see the linework of Ron Garney with the examples so far, it adds some personality, looks promising. SSOC has to stand out/be different from the other Conan books out there.
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Post by stubbs on Nov 9, 2018 15:14:28 GMT -5
This is looking great. I'm curious what it'll look like with colours, it looks nice b&w. Got the variant cover and the splash page with Conan eating a shark in color. ... Not really a fan of digital art in comicbooks, especially when they overdo it with the reference work like it's almost traced. But, thankfully you can really see the linework of Ron Garney with the examples so far, it adds some personality, looks promising. SSOC has to stand out/be different from the other Conan books out there. The colours in these look to be quite subtle which works well with the linework. Hopefully the writing will stand up, I'm not familiar with the writer at all, but I'm optimistic about the book at the moment. The overuse of reference work/tracing is something I absolutely hate, completely disrupts the narrative for me. As soon as you're thinking "where is that swiped from?" it's over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 16:06:16 GMT -5
Got the variant cover and the splash page with Conan eating a shark in color. ... Not really a fan of digital art in comicbooks, especially when they overdo it with the reference work like it's almost traced. But, thankfully you can really see the linework of Ron Garney with the examples so far, it adds some personality, looks promising. SSOC has to stand out/be different from the other Conan books out there. The colours in these look to be quite subtle which works well with the linework. Hopefully the writing will stand up, I'm not familiar with the writer at all, but I'm optimistic about the book at the moment. The overuse of reference work/tracing is something I absolutely hate, completely disrupts the narrative for me. As soon as you're thinking "where is that swiped from?" it's over. I agree. I think with the writing they need to remember that the Conan yarns should be fun and full of adventure. I think that's where DH went wrong. They over emphasized the connection between the REH adaptations with lacklustre material trying to tie the events between original yarns and eventually diluted the original yarns too much. The way I see it you gotta have fun with the character, you wanna write a pirate story? You wanna write about a large scale battle? a minor skirmish between rival clans/tribes? A yarn set on the Pictish Frontier or any other frontier? Just add CONAN, in the Hyborian Age, in a world that is consistent throughout the series, and tell a great story, with great art and at times add a touch of humour. They gotta make Conan fun again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 12:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by boot on Nov 14, 2018 21:39:39 GMT -5
Make Conan fun, sure. But, let's not forget that Conan is a brutal savage. He's a barbarian, and too many Conan tales forget that. He led marauders up and down the Western Coast, sacking cities, destroying entire villages, during his years with Belit.
He's led bandits in the sandy wastes.
He's been a pirate on the Villayet.
He's been a leader of men--of armies, and those armies were not the "hands off" type.
To many, Conan is the devil. He's Satan incarnate.
He's a real barbarian.
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Post by kemp on Nov 15, 2018 8:31:23 GMT -5
The colours in these look to be quite subtle which works well with the linework. Hopefully the writing will stand up, I'm not familiar with the writer at all, but I'm optimistic about the book at the moment. The overuse of reference work/tracing is something I absolutely hate, completely disrupts the narrative for me. As soon as you're thinking "where is that swiped from?" it's over. I agree. I think with the writing they need to remember that the Conan yarns should be fun and full of adventure. I think that's where DH went wrong. They over emphasized the connection between the REH adaptations with lacklustre material trying to tie the events between original yarns and eventually diluted the original yarns too much. The way I see it you gotta have fun with the character, you wanna write a pirate story? You wanna write about a large scale battle? a minor skirmish between rival clans/tribes? A yarn set on the Pictish Frontier or any other frontier? Just add CONAN, in the Hyborian Age, in a world that is consistent throughout the series, and tell a great story, with great art and at times add a touch of humour. They gotta make Conan fun again.I agree, fun in the same way that Sean Connery and Roger Moore made the James Bond films, it was all happening, adventure, action and even some romance to boot. The later actors treated it like they were attending a funeral 24/7. Conan should be fun and grand in that way too.
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Post by boot on Nov 15, 2018 10:41:06 GMT -5
We totally disagree on Bond (and maybe Conan, too). I loved Roger Moore as Bond growing up, but he's all I knew. Then, after reading the Fleming novels, I saw that it was first Connery, and now Craig, who have nailed the character. Roger Moore's Bond is just silly.
That vicious animal that we see fighting at the beginning of 2006's Casino Royale is Bond. After the assassination attempt at the poker game, when Bond suggests that they get something to eat, Vesper says, "You were almost dead an hour ago." Bond is just blank faced. Matter of fact. "C'mon," he says, "I'm famished."
That's Bond.
Crom, don't make Conan silly in an attempt to make him fun.
Howard's Conan is rarely "fun" and never "silly".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:45:24 GMT -5
I probably did not explain what I was trying to say too well earlier concerning the writers making the book fun I think DH failed to make the Conan books entertaining by not adapting some of the short REH yarns in around 50 pages, they sometimes expanded the adaptations to 4 or 6 comics and diluted the stories and got tied down trying to connect the gaps between each adaptation. The majority of the Conan yarns by REH don't need that - that's not fun. I wanna see completely new adventures between the adaptations, that work on their own merit, I don't want some dry academic writing the history of Conan, I wanna creative writer that can tell new stories about the Cimmerian, the writer should also be consistent in their interpretation of the Hyborian Age. When I mention humour I'm talking about the odd scene on rare occasions, like this one from Black Colossus:
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Post by stubbs on Nov 16, 2018 2:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by kemp on Nov 16, 2018 10:21:55 GMT -5
We totally disagree on Bond (and maybe Conan, too). I loved Roger Moore as Bond growing up, but he's all I knew. Then, after reading the Fleming novels, I saw that it was first Connery, and now Craig, who have nailed the character. Roger Moore's Bond is just silly. That vicious animal that we see fighting at the beginning of 2006's Casino Royale is Bond. After the assassination attempt at the poker game, when Bond suggests that they get something to eat, Vesper says, "You were almost dead an hour ago." Bond is just blank faced. Matter of fact. "C'mon," he says, "I'm famished." That's Bond. Crom, don't make Conan silly in an attempt to make him fun. Howard's Conan is rarely "fun" and never "silly". Myself, I always thought that REH's original stories of Conan and Bran Mak Morn were a fun read. Sure, there was a serious undertone ( if you looked for it ), an undercurrent of nihilism, societal collapse and catastrophism wrapped up in a brutal and violent prehistoric civilisation that has echoes with the ancient, medieval and even our modern world. I was always aware of that aspect, liked that, and it was still escapist fun for me. As for 'silly', kind of subjective. A certain amount of dark humour in the comic versions just worked, especially when we consider that we are talking about a classic medium for pop culture. Larger than life fantastic worlds full of adventure with maybe more than a hint of realist concerns that are part of the human experience. I think you would have enjoyed issue 105 of SSOC. Maybe you already read it. ‘Across the frozen Northern Tundras Conan leads his misfit band of mercenaries on a long retreat from a devastating military campaign. Without food or shelter, the men slowly succumb to desperation and fear, and Conan soon finds himself set upon by his own men who, in their hysteria, see only one possible way for them to survive... Not for the faint of heart.’
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 2:23:23 GMT -5
Thanks Stubbs. Here's another variant cover by Bill Sienkiewicz - not as good as his variant cover for CtB.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 2:55:25 GMT -5
We totally disagree on Bond (and maybe Conan, too). I loved Roger Moore as Bond growing up, but he's all I knew. Then, after reading the Fleming novels, I saw that it was first Connery, and now Craig, who have nailed the character. Roger Moore's Bond is just silly. That vicious animal that we see fighting at the beginning of 2006's Casino Royale is Bond. After the assassination attempt at the poker game, when Bond suggests that they get something to eat, Vesper says, "You were almost dead an hour ago." Bond is just blank faced. Matter of fact. "C'mon," he says, "I'm famished." That's Bond. Crom, don't make Conan silly in an attempt to make him fun. Howard's Conan is rarely "fun" and never "silly". Myself, I always thought that REH's original stories of Conan and Bran Mak Morn were a fun read. Sure, there was a serious undertone ( if you looked for it ), an undercurrent of nihilism, societal collapse and catastrophism wrapped up in a brutal and violent prehistoric civilisation that has echoes with the ancient, medieval and even our modern world. I was always aware of that aspect, liked that, and it was still escapist fun for me. As for 'silly', kind of subjective. A certain amount of dark humour in the comic versions just worked, especially when we consider that we are talking about a classic medium for pop culture. Larger than life fantastic worlds full of adventure with maybe more than a hint of realist concerns that are part of the human experience. I think you would have enjoyed issue 105 of SSOC. Maybe you already read it. ‘Across the frozen Northern Tundras Conan leads his misfit band of mercenaries on a long retreat from a devastating military campaign. Without food or shelter, the men slowly succumb to desperation and fear, and Conan soon finds himself set upon by his own men who, in their hysteria, see only one possible way for them to survive... Not for the faint of heart.’ I picked up around 180 SSOC issues a few months ago at a very reasonable price (Only got 2 issues left now to complete my collection) and have really enjoyed the Don Kraar and Chuck Dixon comics in SSOC, there are a few gems in there. That's what I love about the ol' SSOC magazine, you can pick up almost any issue and you're guaranteed an entertaining read. I hope we get something similar with the new SSOC series without a Nemedian Navy
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Post by kemp on Nov 19, 2018 7:46:33 GMT -5
Myself, I always thought that REH's original stories of Conan and Bran Mak Morn were a fun read. Sure, there was a serious undertone ( if you looked for it ), an undercurrent of nihilism, societal collapse and catastrophism wrapped up in a brutal and violent prehistoric civilisation that has echoes with the ancient, medieval and even our modern world. I was always aware of that aspect, liked that, and it was still escapist fun for me. As for 'silly', kind of subjective. A certain amount of dark humour in the comic versions just worked, especially when we consider that we are talking about a classic medium for pop culture. Larger than life fantastic worlds full of adventure with maybe more than a hint of realist concerns that are part of the human experience. I think you would have enjoyed issue 105 of SSOC. Maybe you already read it. ‘Across the frozen Northern Tundras Conan leads his misfit band of mercenaries on a long retreat from a devastating military campaign. Without food or shelter, the men slowly succumb to desperation and fear, and Conan soon finds himself set upon by his own men who, in their hysteria, see only one possible way for them to survive... Not for the faint of heart.’ I picked up around 180 SSOC issues a few months ago at a very reasonable price (Only got 2 issues left now to complete my collection) and have really enjoyed the Don Kraar and Chuck Dixon comics in SSOC, there are a few gems in there. That's what I love about the ol' SSOC magazine, you can pick up almost any issue and you're guaranteed an entertaining read. I hope we get something similar with the new SSOC series without a Nemedian Navy I hope so too. some of what I am seeing looks promising, Mahmud Asrar’s work for instance. Amazing that we get to see Conan return to Marvel and that they bring back SSOC and Conan the Barbarian. Will give it a chance, maybe the new format will work out, I want it to work out.
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