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Post by emerald on Nov 11, 2018 0:12:51 GMT -5
I was watching a violent action movie and started thinking about how the violence of REH's stories might be transferred to film. The level of violence acceptable in any film today is far higher than it has ever been before.
The movie I was watching is on Netflix and it's called The Night Comes for Us. It's a martial arts/crime flick in much the same style as The Raid and its sequel. And it may just set a new bar for beautifully choreographed, imaginatively conceived brutality.
The film offers the kind of ferocious combat, including much use of blades, that we might expect to see in a Conan movie. But it's so overwhelmingly violent, so packed with flesh-tearing, blood-spraying carnage that I can only watch the damn thing in installments.
The style and presentation of violence in a Conan film would not resemble the prolonged kind of back-and-forth combat we get in The Night Comes for Us, which is basically an old school marital arts flick all dressed up in modern clothing.
But it's clear that the violence in a Conan movie could now be fully as violent as REH's prose depicted it.
Should it be? How gory and brutal should a Conan film be? Can you think of a film with a depiction of violence at a level that would be fitting for Conan?
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Post by thedarkman on Nov 11, 2018 13:33:21 GMT -5
Conan ‘82 has a fair amount of blood, but the violence depicted seemed slow and clumsy at times, lacking the fierce, wolf-like ferocity of Howard’s descriptions. The recent movie Centurion was really well done in terms of brutality and edged-weapons carnage, but some of the CGI bloodshed was obviously digital. A new Conan film should be appropriately violent, but not to the point of a gore-fest for the sake of gore. Howard’s violence had a poetic beauty to it that transcended stomach-churning gore.
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Post by Char-Vell on Nov 11, 2018 18:07:49 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk is a recent movie that I feel portrays Howardian violence, albeit of a western variety.
It could serve as a good example.
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Post by thedarkman on Nov 11, 2018 22:47:42 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk is a recent movie that I feel portrays Howardian violence, albeit of a western variety. It could serve as a good example. As long as there are plenty of split skulls, decapitations and a few disembowelings, I’ll be happy. A level of violence no higher than say, the last Rambo movie. I feel that is as violent as a movie needs to get in order to depict realistic violence. I have yet to try watching The Night Comes For Us, but I’m already thinking it goes too far for my tastes...
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Post by themirrorthief on Nov 12, 2018 13:27:03 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk definitely set a new bar for me...whew
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Post by buxom9sorceress on Nov 13, 2018 9:37:50 GMT -5
computer combat games are where the ultimate sickest brutal explicit VIOLENCE lives and festers.
>>>> WARNING ! nsf-anyone!
Mortal Kombat X: All Fatalities
[ and see Mortal Kombat XL, if you are not human ]
[ if you can watch more than 5 minutes of this bloodiest sick gore, then you are never to be released from your asylum cell ! ]
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Post by buxom9sorceress on Nov 13, 2018 10:07:29 GMT -5
i dont care about the level of violence in any new conan tv or film.
all i need is a very good story plot and suspense.
at my age of experience i soon get bored with most violence and horror.
[ i have seen and read far too much ]
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Post by thedarkman on Nov 13, 2018 13:32:17 GMT -5
computer combat games are where the ultimate sickest brutal explicit VIOLENCE lives and festers. >>>> WARNING ! nsf-anyone! Mortal Kombat X: All Fatalities [ and see Mortal Kombat XL, if you are not human ] [ if you can watch more than 5 minutes of this bloodiest sick gore, then you are never to be released from your asylum cell ! ] I could only handle 3-4 minutes. I like my action bloody, but this stuff is like torture porn and simply goes too far for my taste. 🤮
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Nov 14, 2018 11:09:42 GMT -5
I've always found gratuitous gallons of blood spraying in the air a bit ridiculous, and lean rather toward more realistically themed scenes of battle such as those of Braveheart and Rob Roy. 2004's King Arthur with Clive Owen I enjoyed. I'd like to see excellently orchestrated, realistically styled fighting versus gore for gore's sake. That said, some might find that level of realism disturbing. And it is. But it adds such realism to take that extra time to make it feel real. I always found the scene in Braveheart where Campbell (played by James Cosmo) loses his hand to be particularly cringe worthy.
Hand scene begins about 1:40 . . . should you dare.
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Post by thedarkman on Nov 14, 2018 15:09:06 GMT -5
I've always found gratuitous gallons of blood spraying in the air a bit ridiculous, and lean rather toward more realistically themed scenes of battle such as those of Braveheart and Rob Roy. 2004's King Arthur with Clive Owen I enjoyed. I'd like to see excellently orchestrated, realistically styled fighting versus gore for gore's sake. That said, some might find that level of realism disturbing. And it is. But it adds such realism to take that extra time to make it feel real. I always found the scene in Braveheart where Campbell (played by James Cosmo) loses his hand to be particularly cringe worthy. Hand scene begins about 1:40 . . . should you dare. I remember having this movie on vhs, and I clearly recall the warning on the box “...scenes of brutal medieval violence.” I loved it! They did a pretty good job duplicating the chaos and mayhem of a large battle.
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 14, 2018 15:31:31 GMT -5
I've always found gratuitous gallons of blood spraying in the air a bit ridiculous, and lean rather toward more realistically themed scenes of battle such as those of Braveheart and Rob Roy. 2004's King Arthur with Clive Owen I enjoyed. I'd like to see excellently orchestrated, realistically styled fighting versus gore for gore's sake. That said, some might find that level of realism disturbing. And it is. But it adds such realism to take that extra time to make it feel real. I always found the scene in Braveheart where Campbell (played by James Cosmo) loses his hand to be particularly cringe worthy. Hand scene begins about 1:40 . . . should you dare. They should really watch what frame gets frozen as the still. We're supposed to have William Wallace battling the English. Instead we have Puddy getting ready for a Devils game.
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 14, 2018 15:36:06 GMT -5
As far as violence, a Braveheart level would be acceptable for Conan. Anything else would border on comical. The Milius film was just fine for me in this regard.
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Post by zarono on Nov 14, 2018 23:17:24 GMT -5
I think the fights would need to be brutal and bloody, somewhere along the lines of Valhalla Rising, Pilgrimage, or the better action scenes on Game of Thrones, but I would prefer some restraint in the outright gore, show the battle injuries without lingering on them, the combat should be epic and thrilling not nauseating. However some scenes would have to be very gory for the horror effect REH intended such as when Pelias animates Shukeli's corpse in The Scarlet Citadel: "Shukeli's wide-open eyes were glassy and empty, and from the great gash in his belly his entrails hung limply to the floor. The eunuch's feet stumbled among his entrails as he worked the bolt, moving like a brainless automaton." That scene is meant to be gory and horrific and so I would want to see it done that way.
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Post by Von K on Nov 18, 2018 21:27:39 GMT -5
Some interesting perspective from Steve Tompkins:
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Post by KiramidHead on Nov 20, 2018 21:09:50 GMT -5
I'd be fine with Apocalypto levels of violence.
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