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Post by Aryeh on Dec 31, 2018 9:23:10 GMT -5
A few more wheels are still turning behind the scenes, no doubt, on other Conan TV/Film related projects in addition to Ryan's. It will happen when the stars are right. And a few of them may well be sliding into alignment as we speak.
From your mouth to Mitra's ear!
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Post by mindboggled on Dec 31, 2018 23:35:39 GMT -5
I really hope it's not. I think that the current state of the Hoollywood movie industry is incapable of producing a proper Conan film.
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Post by Aryeh on Jan 1, 2019 9:10:52 GMT -5
I really hope it's not. I think that the current state of the Hoollywood movie industry is incapable of producing a proper Conan film.
I don't think the state in which Hollywood is (or isn't for that matter) has anything to do with producing a good Conan movie. Because, one could say the same about the beginning of the 1980ies, i.e. that Hollywood was *not* in the right state then, because 'Star Wars', 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and 'E.T.' were dominant in those days. One could say that only some rendition of Conan which is intended for children was possible at that time. But Milius' film shows it is possible to go against the dominant fashion.
The trick is to find someone who really cares about what one is working on (and who knows how to do something good), and not to wait for someone who is going to go with the flow. In that sense, it would possibly be even much worse to get a Conan movie once the state in Hollywood becomes right for it--then it is most likely that that movie would be produced by a committee and it would be just another one in a long line, just another which is done according to what is presently fashionable.
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Post by Majere on Jan 1, 2019 13:21:58 GMT -5
No. Neither Disney nor their audience is mature enough. Disney would strip the character of his “toxic” masculinity and remake him into a wise-cracking SJW shill character. Critics would lavish it with praise, fans would hate it, it would bomb, and that would be the end of it.
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Post by mindboggled on Jan 1, 2019 14:56:17 GMT -5
No. Neither Disney nor their audience is mature enough. Disney would strip the character of his “toxic” masculinity and remake him into a wise-cracking SJW shill character. Critics would lavish it with praise, fans would hate it, it would bomb, and that would be the end of it. This scenario is the most probable outcome if a new Conan film were to be produced today. Hopefully this premonition does not become a reality.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jan 1, 2019 15:22:26 GMT -5
I don't think a Conan movie is in the cards for the forceable future. They had their shot this generation with Mamoa but gave him a turd of a script to work with.
Just look how well Aquaman is doing commercially and critically with Mamoa as the lead...
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Post by mindboggled on Jan 1, 2019 20:59:13 GMT -5
I really hope it's not. I think that the current state of the Hoollywood movie industry is incapable of producing a proper Conan film. I don't think the state in which Hollywood is (or isn't for that matter) has anything to do with producing a good Conan movie. Because, one could say the same about the beginning of the 1980ies, i.e. that Hollywood was *not* in the right state then, because 'Star Wars', 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and 'E.T.' were dominant in those days. One could say that only some rendition of Conan which is intended for children was possible at that time. But Milius' film shows it is possible to go against the dominant fashion.
The trick is to find someone who really cares about what one is working on (and who knows how to do something good), and not to wait for someone who is going to go with the flow. In that sense, it would possibly be even much worse to get a Conan movie once the state in Hollywood becomes right for it--then it is most likely that that movie would be produced by a committee and it would be just another one in a long line, just another which is done according to what is presently fashionable.
I agree with you that the key to making a good Conan movie is having the right person make it, regardless of Hoollywood's current climate. The last thing I would wan't is for a Conan film to be created by a committee! But the problem with modern day hoollywood movies is that almost all of them are created by a studio, not the director. This is why I believe that right now is not a good moment for a Conan film. In and around the eighties Hoollywood made plenty of higher and mid budgeted films geared towards adult audiences. In fact most of the movies made back then were made specifically for adults. Now it's a true rarity when Hoolywood makes anything that isn't intended for children.
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Post by attilaman66 on Jan 1, 2019 21:51:04 GMT -5
They might have luck with Conan over at Blumhouse. Todd Mcfarlane has taken his Spawn movie to them. I have seen most of the Paranormal Activity movies, but haven't seen "Split" or "Get Out". they look good. I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories, but the one's I have do have a certain level of "horror suspense". That sort of movie model might suit Conan better than just a straight "hack and slash" action movie. A suspenseful horror thriller with hack and slash, I would definitely pay to see that.
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Post by Von K on Jan 2, 2019 8:01:59 GMT -5
I don't think a Conan movie is in the cards for the forceable future. They had their shot this generation with Mamoa but gave him a turd of a script to work with. Just look how well Aquaman is doing commercially and critically with Mamoa as the lead... A prominent youtuber attributed part of Aquaman's success to the 'Conan the Barbarian-esque' look of Jason.
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 2, 2019 9:00:46 GMT -5
They might have luck with Conan over at Blumhouse. Todd Mcfarlane has taken his Spawn movie to them. I have seen most of the Paranormal Activity movies, but haven't seen "Split" or "Get Out". they look good. I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories, but the one's I have do have a certain level of "horror suspense". That sort of movie model might suit Conan better than just a straight "hack and slash" action movie. A suspenseful horror thriller with hack and slash, I would definitely pay to see that. Well we had a "horror" movie director in 2011. Sometimes you just don't know who's going to actually have a compelling vision that carries a project. Who would've thought the dudes from Community would make better Avengers films than the established Joss Whedon? A guy from Troma made Guardians of the Galaxy appealing. A guy who did horror movies made Aquaman an enjoyable watch. Who knows, maybe somebody else will give Ryan Condal a shot, or there's somebody out there we don't suspect could make a great Conan film. The tough part is finding the right fit and we've seen how tough that job is.
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Post by attilaman66 on Jan 2, 2019 14:12:41 GMT -5
That's a good point johnnypt. I don't want to sound like I'm splitting hairs, but I don't really think Marcus Nispel is a director with a grand vision. I don't even think of him has a horror director. before 2011 Conan he made movies like "Texas Chainsaw Massacre", "Friday the 13th", "Pathfinder", and "National Treasure". These movies are the only ones he has made that I have seen and imho, TCM and Friday the 13th are more like "Slasher" movies. Over the top blood and guts just for the shock value, not good story telling. When I watch the original "Predator" movie or the original "Jaws", I don't think the action is what drives the plot. Later Predator movies like AVP and this latest one "The Predator" were straight up action and they sucked. Good story telling, good characters, good plot with good drama and suspense was the main factor in Predator and jaws. That's why they got away with not revealing the villains (alien, shark) until the end. There is a lot of killing and action in GOT, but the action is not the main factor for the success of GOT. I'm just saying that maybe they would be better off going to a small company like Blumhouse instead of a big boy company.
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Post by johnnypt on Jan 2, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
That's a good point johnnypt. I don't want to sound like I'm splitting hairs, but I don't really think Marcus Nispel is a director with a grand vision. I don't even think of him has a horror director. before 2011 Conan he made movies like "Texas Chainsaw Massacre", "Friday the 13th", "Pathfinder", and "National Treasure". These movies are the only ones he has made that I have seen and imho, TCM and Friday the 13th are more like "Slasher" movies. Over the top blood and guts just for the shock value, not good story telling. When I watch the original "Predator" movie or the original "Jaws", I don't think the action is what drives the plot. Later Predator movies like AVP and this latest one "The Predator" were straight up action and they sucked. Good story telling, good characters, good plot with good drama and suspense was the main factor in Predator and jaws. That's why they got away with not revealing the villains (alien, shark) until the end. There is a lot of killing and action in GOT, but the action is not the main factor for the success of GOT. I'm just saying that maybe they would be better off going to a small company like Blumhouse instead of a big boy company. No splitting hairs there, he's not a grand vision kind of guy to me either. A smaller studio might do it better, but it gets back to who's involved. When I heard Nispel was involved in the 2011 film, I figured it was going to be more of a programmed, semi cookie cutter type of film and despite some people's efforts to make it better, that's basically what we got IMO. Under the same corporate banner at Disney you have a Kevin Feige and a Kathleen Kennedy directing different wings of the studio. While financially both have had great success, one is just about universally praised for the direction of his division, the other...not so much. Dave & DB had a vision for GOT and they've taken it to great success, whatever criticisms one might have about their approach. We can only hope that whatever Conan's next step is in the live action realm, there's someone who has a strong and coherent vision that respects the source material at the helm.
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Post by attilaman66 on Jan 2, 2019 16:15:29 GMT -5
Well said, I totally agree johnnypt. It just sucks we can't find someone who will take care of this character and respect the work of REH. I guess after all the failed attempts to bring Conan to life, the brand of Conan might be broken.
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Post by deepermagic on Jan 2, 2019 16:51:10 GMT -5
Well said, I totally agree johnnypt. It just sucks we can't find someone who will take care of this character and respect the work of REH. I guess after all the failed attempts to bring Conan to life, the brand of Conan might be broken. It's because Conan is seen by these people as money. Companies like Amazon and Disney don't look at Conan as a unique story telling opportunity, or a way to shine a spotlight on a brilliant creator like REH, but as "How much money can we squeeze from it?" It's tricky for the big studios. I'm convinced that they know what makes a good story (look at Pixar) but what they know better is how to play it safe (look at Pixar), and the best way to play it safe is to follow the leadings of the Zeitgeist. Game of Thrones is fantasy, but was written for a modern audience. The Lord of the Rings movies were largely successful because (for all the missed opportunities) they largely stuck to the spirit of Tolkien, and because New Line didn't play it safe by taking a chance on Jackson and a notorious 'unfilmable' story. But now that everyone is looking to cash in on fantasy/s&s, no chances are being made, Big Studios are only looking for something to hit. Unfortunately (for this situation), the Zeitgeist is antithetical to Conan. Talk about toxic masculinity! But that means, for a Big Studio, either Conan will have passed over or be neutered in order to fit the Zeitgeist, and they know that neutering Conan will be a poor business decision. At least that's my hope. I hope there are some folks in the Big Studios who know this is the case and are biding their time. It would be great if someone just said to hell with it and took a huge risk. Could you imagine Disney bringing a full fledged REH Conan to the big screen? With that kind of budget and marketing ability, it'd be huge. But they won't do it. Too risky for their credibility in the eyes of people who don't matter, who will likely kiss them today and kill them tomorrow.
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Post by themirrorthief on Jan 2, 2019 17:03:31 GMT -5
let the russians do it, they are good with sword slinging flicks IMO...real good
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