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Post by lordyam on Dec 5, 2019 15:53:24 GMT -5
I always liked having Vale right after Queen of the Black Coast.
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Post by Reaver on Jun 27, 2020 22:38:14 GMT -5
I went reading through the various essays on the chronology last night, and personally I fall somewhere in between Marek's and Rippke's takes. I prefer Rippke's placement of God in the Bowl, but I like Marek's placement of Red Nails and Gwahlur a bit better. So my personal order is like this: The Frost Giant's Daughter The God in the Bowl The Tower of the Elephant Rogues in the House Black Colossus Iron Shadows in the Moon Queen of the Black Coast Xuthal of the Dusk A Witch Shall Be Born The Devil in Iron The People of the Black Circle The Man-Eaters of Zamboula The Vale of Lost Women The Pool of the Black One Red Nails The Servants of Bit-Yakin Beyond the Black River The Black Stranger The Phoenix on the Sword The Scarlet Citadel The Hour of the Dragon I'm toying with maybe shifting around Vale and Servants, but I'll leave it at that for now. And I left out the fragments because I'm frankly a bit agnostic on the subject. Boy that Iron Shadows is a puzzler! It doesn't seem to really fit nicely anywhere, but it has to go somewhere. The placement between BC and Queen is a little too back and forth for me, but DH did it that way. The wrecked ship mentioned in Red Nails and Black Stranger at the same time is and isn't the Wastrel in both (or either) case. So if you don't want to have a Black & Red trilogy, it's no problem. I think the only fragment that isn't really set is Tombalku. Nestor/Hall of the Dead is between Tower & Rogues, Snout in the Dark is after Queen and Wolves is before Phoenix. Tombalku would probably work best between Zamboula and Vale for yours. These are puzzlers, but a few conclusions can be made. While Howard protested that he wrote the yarns as they came to him, he did mention a few times and in a few of the stories clues about their order on Conan's career. And a few inconsistencies must be granted. Iron Shadows is an early-mid career tale, and falls sometime after Queen of the Black Coast. This is clear because QOTBC is clearly Conan's first pirate adventure, and in Iron Shadows, Conan clearly has prior pirate experience. It seems there were two or more periods when Conan was a kozak raider around Turan and the Vilayet Sea. The Devil in Iron seems to be Conan's first leading role with the kozaki; he raided with them before Iron Shadows and took their leadership in A Witch Shall Be Born.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 28, 2020 9:20:45 GMT -5
If there had a been a definitively set Hyrkanian tale, it’d make placing ISitM a whole lot easier.
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Post by Reaver on Jun 28, 2020 15:15:11 GMT -5
Yea. Actually I consider the "fragments" (incomplete REH stories) helpful. The so called Hand of Nergal helps place Conan with Hyrkanian battle and archery experience, so that he has that before QotBC etc.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 28, 2020 16:39:30 GMT -5
That one does fit nicely between Rogues and Black Colossus. It could have been a place for a Hyrkanian tale but Than and Atalis aren’t exactly those type of names.
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Post by Reaver on Jun 28, 2020 19:46:27 GMT -5
Black Colossus as Conan's first army command must be fairly early, after the "thief cycle" of the earliest tales. At the start, though no experienced commander, he is already captain of the mercenaries and a step ahead of his rogue days. As Howard wrote, he returned to Cimmeria sometime after the end of "Rogues", and returned later from time to time. Such conjectural pauses in Conan's career help divide the chronology into somewhat cohesive blocks of time and Hyborian geography.
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 2, 2022 21:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 3:39:48 GMT -5
Cool, Thanks John. Will check it out later today. It'll be very interesting looking at just the Conan yarns published by Weird Tales + 1 other.
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 3, 2022 9:14:40 GMT -5
I don't think you can read the sentence like that. Here's the entire paragraph:
He scowled down at her. She seemed to partake of the illusion that haunted this whole city, but the firm resilience of her limbs under his questing fingers convinced him that he had a living human girl in his arms, and not the shadow of a dream. No less disturbed, he hastily laid her on the furs upon the dais. Her sleep was too deep to be natural. He decided that she must be an addict of some drug, perhaps like the black lotus of Xuthal.
The whole paragraph (as well as the rest of the chapter following) is from Conan's point of view As a reader, the impression clearly is Conan is thinking what kind of drug the girl is addicted to and he comes to this conclusion. It's hard to think in the middle of this sequence that Howard would pull the reader out of the narrative to write down his own unique observation that would be meaningless to someone who possibly hadn't read Slithering Shadow. If it had been a reference to something popular culture would know in the early 30s, then that argument would be stronger.
Occam's razor-they just made a slight mistake in placement.
With all due respect, I disagree. In TFGD, for instance, REH mentions Poitain, which doesn't mean Conan went to southwestern Aquilonia in his way between Cimmeria and Asgard. Poitain was a known geographical area to anyone in the Hyborian world. Xuthal is known only to Conan and Natala. It's one continous thought, Conan is thinking "what could cause this? Oh I know..." Howard wouldn't use something as a reference to readers about a story they might not have read.
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Post by irondavith on Dec 5, 2022 6:12:49 GMT -5
Thanks a lot johnnypt, I really enjoyed the episode. What made you want to tackle this particular aspect of the REH Conan yarns? Also, is the pronunciation of Cimmerian with a hard 'C' based on something specific, or a personal choice? I had always assumed it was an 'S' sound. So it changes quite a lot for me!
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 5, 2022 8:31:38 GMT -5
Thanks a lot johnnypt, I really enjoyed the episode. What made you want to tackle this particular aspect of the REH Conan yarns? Also, is the pronunciation of Cimmerian with a hard 'C' based on something specific, or a personal choice? I had always assumed it was an 'S' sound. So it changes quite a lot for me! I think it's partially a spillover from the Tolkien episodes, plus we discussed it at some point years ago. The movie did the usual English pronunciation but I think came to the conclusion it should be the Celtic hard K sound. I may still slip and do the soft C every now and then I actually wrote this about 10 years ago, I think Deuce was looking for things to go on Two Gun Recantour, the Cimmerian site had shut down a few years before. We'd been discussing on the old conan.com boards around 2010 about what a TV series would look like .(WAY before Amazon or Netflix was doing streaming!) and we were trying to figure out the best way pieces could fit. Plus Amra had just done his work and as stellar and vital it is to have all the info now at our finger tips, I just couldn't wrap my head around the chronology. Dale Rippke was on the boards back then so I was trading ideas with him as well. Dark Horse had just done their flip flop of his placements of Black Colossus and Iron Shadows so it was all bubbling around. When I started doing the podcast, I knew I wasn't going to have enough material to just do Tolkien so that's why I started right off the bat opening myself up to the wider fantasy/sci-fi/S&S world in general for the very purpose of doing this episode (or should I say these episodes) this month. I did a read through last night of Part 2 and it's around twice as long to go over all the pieces. This episode talked about 16-18, next time we have 25 things to go over and work in. May not have time to do it this week, will likely go up later next week. Then I'm going to try to do the video episode either the week before Christmas or at worst Christmas Eve.
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Post by irondavith on Dec 6, 2022 9:49:15 GMT -5
Sounds good, thanks for the answer. And the second episode part will be based on... Pastiches?
I had been reading this thread (and the similar one with all the comic stories added to it as well), it really is interesting trying to work out the life of Conan's travels.
On a similar note, do you (or anyone reading this) know of a full list where all yarns (maybe including pastiches, but more importantly the original REH stories) has been adapted into comics and where to find them in the comics (CtB, SSoC etc)?
I wouldn't mind trying to read them in a rough order, if possible. Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 10:58:20 GMT -5
Sounds good, thanks for the answer. And the second episode part will be based on... Pastiches? I had been reading this thread (and the similar one with all the comic stories added to it as well), it really is interesting trying to work out the life of Conan's travels. On a similar note, do you (or anyone reading this) know of a full list where all yarns (maybe including pastiches, but more importantly the original REH stories) has been adapted into comics and where to find them in the comics (CtB, SSoC etc)? I wouldn't mind trying to read them in a rough order, if possible. Cheers! Don't worry, we have a thread devoted to the chronology of the Cimmerian's career in comics below: swordsofreh.proboards.com/thread/177/conan-comic-chronologies
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Post by terryallenuk on Dec 6, 2022 11:01:49 GMT -5
Sounds good, thanks for the answer. And the second episode part will be based on... Pastiches? I had been reading this thread (and the similar one with all the comic stories added to it as well), it really is interesting trying to work out the life of Conan's travels. On a similar note, do you (or anyone reading this) know of a full list where all yarns (maybe including pastiches, but more importantly the original REH stories) has been adapted into comics and where to find them in the comics (CtB, SSoC etc)? I wouldn't mind trying to read them in a rough order, if possible. Cheers! Click on the story titles and adaptation info. is there too en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conan_the_Barbarian_stories_by_Robert_E._Howard. A wiki search for the pastiches should bring info. up for those as well.
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 6, 2022 11:36:26 GMT -5
Sounds good, thanks for the answer. And the second episode part will be based on... Pastiches? I had been reading this thread (and the similar one with all the comic stories added to it as well), it really is interesting trying to work out the life of Conan's travels. On a similar note, do you (or anyone reading this) know of a full list where all yarns (maybe including pastiches, but more importantly the original REH stories) has been adapted into comics and where to find them in the comics (CtB, SSoC etc)? I wouldn't mind trying to read them in a rough order, if possible. Cheers! No pastiches, only what Howard wrote, using the unpublished (at the time) stories, fragments and other drafts to glean info out of them. The conclusions may border on pastiche but it's based on info from Howard only. I may talk about one idea I have for a Conan-ization (turning a non-Conan story into a Conan one) that technically has been done but not exactly the way I imagine it. Plus the name of one events I may mention comes from a later author as a counterpoint to one of the Howard stories.
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