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Post by Jason Aiken on Jul 3, 2019 16:51:14 GMT -5
It's easy to enjoy if you have realistic expectations of what Marvel is doing with the character. Look at the issues they put out and make a deduction.
This isn't REH's Conan or even Roy Thomas' version. This is a watered down version of the generic Marvel Conan and maybe even the paperback pastiche Conan. There's not a whole lot going on below the surface.
As long as this series has excellent art and Conan slaying enemies I'm in. It's fun to see him in the mainstream Marvel Universe. That concept alone should be enough for you to realize this isn't going to be the pulp Conan.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the second coming of Busiek-Nord and Truman-Giorello but that's not going to happen at Marvel with their corporate comics atmosphere. The only high standard I hold Marvel to is the artwork, because they can afford quality artists to put on Conan titles. I don't hold them to a very high standard on the characterization or plots because the knowledge of the character and talent to pull it off ala the early Dark Horse years do not exist at Marvel anymore.
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Post by Peter on Jul 3, 2019 17:22:28 GMT -5
It's easy to enjoy if you have realistic expectations of what Marvel is doing with the character. Look at the issues they put out and make a deduction. This isn't REH's Conan or even Roy Thomas' version. This is a watered down version of the generic Marvel Conan and maybe even the paperback pastiche Conan. There's not a whole lot going on below the surface. As long as this series has excellent art and Conan slaying enemies I'm in. It's fun to see him in the mainstream Marvel Universe. That concept alone should be enough for you to realize this isn't going to be the pulp Conan. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the second coming of Busiek-Nord and Truman-Giorello but that's not going to happen at Marvel with their corporate comics atmosphere. The only high standard I hold Marvel to is the artwork, because they can afford quality artists to put on Conan titles. I don't hold them to a very high standard on the characterization or plots because the knowledge of the character and talent to pull it off ala the early Dark Horse years do not exist at Marvel anymore. Well said.
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Post by Taurus on Jul 3, 2019 20:12:36 GMT -5
It's easy to enjoy if you have realistic expectations of what Marvel is doing with the character. Look at the issues they put out and make a deduction. This isn't REH's Conan or even Roy Thomas' version. This is a watered down version of the generic Marvel Conan and maybe even the paperback pastiche Conan. There's not a whole lot going on below the surface. As long as this series has excellent art and Conan slaying enemies I'm in. It's fun to see him in the mainstream Marvel Universe. That concept alone should be enough for you to realize this isn't going to be the pulp Conan. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the second coming of Busiek-Nord and Truman-Giorello but that's not going to happen at Marvel with their corporate comics atmosphere. The only high standard I hold Marvel to is the artwork, because they can afford quality artists to put on Conan titles. I don't hold them to a very high standard on the characterization or plots because the knowledge of the character and talent to pull it off ala the early Dark Horse years do not exist at Marvel anymore. Well said. And this is exactly why I am not buying anything Conan by Marvel other than the Savage Sword Ominibus.
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Post by kemp on Jul 4, 2019 8:34:45 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh.
I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 11:58:19 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh. I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!?I did Here's that awesome page!
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Post by terryallenuk on Jul 4, 2019 13:12:22 GMT -5
Oh Shit! Not sure if I'll even bother to read it , actually looks like very few words worth reading!
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Post by mindboggled on Jul 4, 2019 23:40:08 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh. I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!? I don't even think it's worth reading for free.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 0:42:02 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh. I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!? I don't even think it's worth reading for free. I dunno. I find it quite refreshing that there is an action packed, fast-paced comic-book with eye catching art out there - admittedly, it can be a little silly at times. These days too many comic-book writers take themselves way too seriously, probably thinking more about selling their work to Netflix or Hollywood. So far, looking at the shelves I think quite a few comic book fans agree. Retailers like to ridicule books like these but they sell - or at least they do for now.
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Post by kemp on Jul 5, 2019 5:27:59 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh. I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!?I did Here's that awesome page! Yep, that's the one. . You know, I kind of like Savage Avengers for all the wrong reasons, man, that made me laugh so much. If that was the goal of Savage Avengers than the creators succeeded. Classic slapstick comedy mixed with a bit of the 90's Marvel action feel. I think the above scenes rival the infamous 'Fight like Picts' a few months back. I can't imagine Marvel topping that in the seriously silly department, but I am sure they will try....and probably even succeed.
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Post by kemp on Jul 6, 2019 3:12:09 GMT -5
Savage Avengers 3 was a free for all, so much mismatched nonsense. Conan swinging an unconscious Wolverine around like some weapon was ridiculous to the extreme. Doesn’t make any practical sense at all. Can anyone upload those panels here ? Worth a cheap laugh. I read it for free. Do people actually pay for this shit ?!? I don't even think it's worth reading for free. I liken it to bad pile up on the roads, you shouldn't look at it, you hope those involved in the accident were not badly hurt or killed, but you still look at the damage. In the case of Savage Avengers it is funny and no one was hurt, apart from some brain cell loss from reading it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:04:58 GMT -5
Marvel Perfectly Captures Conan the Barbarian (By Making Him Hilarious)www.cbr.com/savage-avengers-conan-comic-relief/The first time we meet Conan in Gerry Duggan and Mike Deodato Jr.’s Savage Avengers, he’s been wandering the Savage Land for quite some time and has been besieged by a deluge of ninja. Some of the first spoken dialogue in the debut issue revolves around the wayward barbarian cracking a joke after disarming one of his assailants and returning their weapon to achieve fatal results.
It’s a moment that defines two key things about Conan being in the Savage Avengers. The first is that he’s probably going to fare pretty well for himself going forward. The second is that he might be the comic relief of the series. Conan further galvanizes this role by sinking his blade into Wolverine’s scalp, which, naturally, he was not too keen on.
Using Conan to comedic effect, however, may come as a shock to some readers, but it really shouldn’t. Conan has always been funny. Savage Avengers has just given him a world to really use those comedic chops in a way only the Cimmerian can. In Savage Avengers #3, Conan refers to Logan as a dwarven champion right before Logan passes out, and then proceeds to use the clawed X-Man as a weapon against their enemies. It’s a moment of ostentatious physical comedy that some readers may find goofy, but it’s all in Conan’s character.
Casually dropping Robert E. Howard’s Conan the Cimmerian (or Barbarian if you nasty) into the present version of the Marvel Comics Universe is a choice as bold as it is perplexing. With Conan sharing the same publishing banner as the Avengers and the X-Men, we should have known that some sort of crossover would be inevitable. Characters from seemingly disconnected branches have a tendency to step into adjacent worlds, and comic readers have been mostly fine with this for the better part of a century.
Think of Conan as the Kenny Powers of the Marvel Universe. His inscrutable confidence has rendered him bulletproof to outside ridicule and judgment, which makes the Cimmerian perfect for comic relief. Conan doesn’t care he’s in a strange land in a strange time. Strange is all Conan knows. He is the kind of character who battles spiders the size of a Volkswagen and hordes of ravenous enemies before breakfast.
Conan, despite (or possibly because of) his hubris, is quite good at what he does, and he knows it. Much like the aforementioned fictional washed up Major League pitcher or the countless other comedy icons who are good at what they do and refuse to bend to a changing world around them (Will Ferrell's Ricky Bobby is another prime example of this). When they experience something new, they either guffaw at it or demand to obtain it. There is rarely a middle ground.
The fact Conan can acclimate to any sort of violent situation, and how open he is to the new wonders surrounding him, makes him not only one the most dangerous members of the Savage Avengers, but it also keeps him true to his character. Robert E. Howard made Conan a man of the world, one who has traveled far and wide, exploring all sorts of exotic environments that are completely alien to him. Through those journeys, he developed a deeper understanding of various opponents and, more importantly, how to dispatch them.
In the Howard novella "Beyond the Black River," Conan proclaims: 'There's nothing in the universe cold steel won't cut," and then proceeds to explain why said blade didn't kill a demon with an excuse that is as lame as the Cimmerian saying "there was something in my eye." It's this sort of unreasonable rationale for something fantastical that has always made Conan the archetype for future sword and fantasy heroes. Howard's work is littered with moments like this. Whether it's Conan calling his shots like Babe Ruth with a broadsword or just lamenting the fact he's out of wine, the character has always been surprisingly funny in his own stories.
With Conan riding alongside dour antiheroes like the Punisher and Elektra, his verbose and violent outlook on slaying enemies makes for some big laughs. It makes Savage Avengers sometimes read like a comedy, but with way more swordplay. The Conan in Savage Avengers is really no different from any written iteration of the character that came before, but with new surroundings and shaky alliances with well known Marvel Comics characters, the Cimmerian's personality traits are dialed to eleven.
Words by Mike Fugere.
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Post by kemp on Jul 14, 2019 9:50:37 GMT -5
Marvel Perfectly Captures Conan the Barbarian (By Making Him Hilarious)www.cbr.com/savage-avengers-conan-comic-relief/ Whether it's Conan calling his shots like Babe Ruth with a broadsword or just lamenting the fact he's out of wine, the character has always been surprisingly funny in his own stories.
With Conan riding alongside dour antiheroes like the Punisher and Elektra, his verbose and violent outlook on slaying enemies makes for some big laughs. It makes Savage Avengers sometimes read like a comedy, but with way more swordplay. Words by Mike Fugere. Mike Fugere probably has the right attitude towards the series. Sometimes we overthink Conan and forget the entertainment side of it, and that includes the humor and comedy. Savage Avengers probably just wants you to have a good time of it and nothing more. Fair enough.
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