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Post by johnnypt on Sept 7, 2017 11:03:33 GMT -5
People of the Summit and Curse of the Monolith were set in the Turanian era and I think Gem in the Tower from Swordsman was a Barachan tale to lead into Pool of the Black One
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 12:02:26 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, there was another pastiche set during the Turanian years - the City of Skulls by Sprague De Camp and Lin Carter.
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Post by deuce on Sept 7, 2017 13:35:54 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, there was another pastiche set during the Turanian years - the City of Skulls by Sprague De Camp and Lin Carter. Quite true. There is also a JMR Conan novel I haven't read yet that, apparently, takes place somewhere in Hyrkania. A big reason I started this thread is because -- from my admittedly sketchy knowledge of the Conan pastiches, both prose and comics -- there seemed to be many "lost adventures" of Conan alluded to in the REH yarns that were ignored, especially by de Camp and his brood of pasticheurs at Tor. IMO, fleshing out those allusions should have been the primary focus, not somebody like Perry just shoehorning his latest D&D campaign into the Conan saga. You also had Jordan voluminously chronicling Conan's Zamora period...but no mention of the Shumiri thief. To me, those two things are somewhat interlinked. Queen of the Black Coast provides a good example -- at the very beginning, not the middle -- of a "lost adventure" and a neglected character. AFAIK, Al Harron was the first to point it out: theblogthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2011/10/lost-conan-adventures-queen-of-black.htmlAl brings up numerous possibilities for "lost tales", but this one in particular caught my eye: “But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend. So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge’s skull; then I cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable’s stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts.” -- "Queen of the Black Coast," The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian, p123 After what I'm sure was a great deal of patience on the Cimmerian's part, he makes a bloody escape. Conan seems to recognise the High Constable's stallion, which indicates some amount of familiarity with him. Most intriguing to me is the identity of the young soldier: while it's possible Conan never sees or hears from him again, I think it's also possible he's someone he meets again. Could this be the first meeting between Conan and Prospero, and strengthens the two's bond with each other? -- Al HarronThis could answer the question of why Prospero seems to be such a good friend of Conan's -- when the Cimmerian seems to have so few -- and possibly one reason why Trocero and the Poitainians thought Conan was the right man to be king. He'd already put his arse on the line for Prospero years ago. There could have easily been a novel where Conan and Prospero end up in Messantia as Free Companions and, on the last page, you see Conan riding for the docks. Classic cliffhanger. Of course, that would've prompted someone to read Queen of the Black Coast and Spraguey had no interest in seeing the REH Conan yarns in print beyond about 1985, apparently. Harron analyzed all of QotbC in regard to "lost adventures". You can find his posts in the link below. Unfortunately, he never went on to do the same for other Conan yarns. theblogthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Lost%20Conan%20Adventures
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:49:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Deuce.
Plenty of potential 'Lost Tales' from Queen of the Black Coast in Al Harron's post. I really like the idea of a Lost Tale with Conan encountering Prospero on his way to Argos.
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Post by amrathelion on Sept 11, 2017 18:07:41 GMT -5
Conan's time with Prince Almuric's Army and his time as a mercenary Free Companion are not chronicled except for brief synopses from Conan.
“He and the girl were, so far as he knew, the sole survivors of Prince Almuric’s army, that mad motley horde which, following the defeated rebel prince of Koth, swept through the Lands of Shem like a devastating sandstorm and drenched the outlands of Stygia with blood. With a Stygian host on its heels, it had cut its way through the black kingdom of Kush, only to be annihilated on the edge of the southern desert. Conan likened it in his mind to a great torrent, dwindling gradually as it rushed southward, to run dry at last in the sands of the naked desert. The bones of its members – mercenaries, outcasts, broken men, outlaws – lay strewn from the Kothic uplands to the dunes of the wilderness. From that final slaughter, when the Stygians and the Kushites closed in on the trapped remnants, Conan had cut his way clear and fled on a camel with the girl. Behind them the land swarmed with enemies; the only way open to them was the desert to the south. Into those menacing depths they had plunged. The girl was a Brythunian, whom Conan had found in the slave-market of a stormed Shemite city, and appropriated. She had had nothing to say in the matter, but her new position was so far superior to the lot of any Hyborian woman in a Shemitish seraglio, that she accepted it thankfully. So she had shared in the adventures of Almuric’s damned horde.” – Xuthal of the Dusk
“I was one of those dissolute rogues, the Free Companions, who burned and looted along the borders. There were five thousand of us, from a score of races and tribes. We had been serving as mercenaries for a rebel prince in eastern Koth, most of us, and when he made peace with his cursed sovereign, we were out of employment; so we took to plundering the outlying dominions of Koth, Zamora and Turan impartially. A week ago Shah Amurath trapped us near the banks of Ilbars with fifteen thousand men. Mitra! The skies were black with vultures, When the lines broke, after a whole day of fighting, some tried to break through to the north, some to the west. I doubt if any escaped. The steppes were covered with horsemen riding down the fugitives. I broke for the east, and finally reached the edge of the marshes that border this part of the Vilayet.” – Iron Shadows in the Moon
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 13, 2017 7:28:54 GMT -5
Umm... Enybody remember Sergius? Iron Shadows? "You left me to die" and stuff? Then he actualy dies 'cause Conan kills him in combat. As I recall, Biorn Nyberg write a pastiche where this guy apears (not a good one, though). "Mountain of a Moon-God" or something similar, I cant remember. Read it once, but wasn impresed that much. Always wander what was the backstory for two of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 9:10:49 GMT -5
Umm... Enybody remember Sergius? Iron Shadows? "You left me to die" and stuff? Then he actualy dies 'cause Conan kills him in combat. As I recall, Biorn Nyberg write a pastiche where this guy apears (not a good one, though). "Mountain of a Moon-God" or something similar, I cant remember. Read it once, but wasn impresed that much. Always wander what was the backstory for two of them. Yeah, 'At the Mountain of the Moon God' was a sequel to Black Colossus in SSOC 3 by Roy Thomas, John Buscema and Pablo Marcos. They did adapt a Biorn Nyberg Conan story in the same issue: Demons of the Summit.
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 13, 2017 9:56:20 GMT -5
There could have easily been a novel where Conan and Prospero end up in Messantia as Free Companions and, on the last page, you see Conan riding for the docks. Classic cliffhanger. Haven't read it in years, but I seem to remember that Roy Thomas did a story based around Conan being captured and killing the judge in the issue (or issues) just before he started his adaption of QOTBC - possibly with art by Mike Ploog. The Thomas/Buscema issues began with Conan on horseback, so I'm guessing the previous issue ended like that. ...... Yep, CTB #57, Incident in Argos with Ploog on art. QotBC started in 58
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Post by deuce on Aug 7, 2018 9:56:49 GMT -5
This would make a great novel, IMO. We need more tales of the Red Brotherhood! “Did you ever hear of Bloody Tranicos, the greatest of the Barachan pirates?” asked Zarono.
“Who has not? It was he who stormed the island castle of the exiled prince Tothmekri of Stygia, put the people to the sword and bore off the treasure the prince had brought with him when he fled from Khemi.”
“Aye! And the tale of that treasure brought the men of the Red Brotherhood swarming like vultures after a carrion—pirates, buccaneers, even the black corsairs from the South. Fearing betrayal by his captains, he fled northward with one ship, and vanished from the knowledge of men. That was nearly a hundred years ago."
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Post by themirrorthief on Aug 17, 2018 9:43:12 GMT -5
I really liked the guy Conan teamed with in Rogues in the House
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 17, 2018 9:48:15 GMT -5
I really liked the guy Conan teamed with in Rogues in the House The TV show could really flesh out the priests of Anu and Murilo-Nabonidus situations since they need some continuing threads.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 17, 2018 9:53:36 GMT -5
Nabonidus seemed like he'd be pretty cool, other than the whole killing people with science thing.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 17, 2018 9:54:38 GMT -5
and wasn't there a Marvel comic where Conan meets up with Murilo again and he's all fat?
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Post by themirrorthief on Aug 17, 2018 10:08:31 GMT -5
and wasn't there a Marvel comic where Conan meets up with Murilo again and he's all fat? anybody know about this...sounds interesting
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Post by deuce on Aug 17, 2018 10:50:13 GMT -5
Nabonidus seemed like he'd be pretty cool, other than the whole killing people with science thing. Before Conan came along, all he did was sit around and intrigue...and kill people with science. Would each story involve him sitting around intriguing and then, at the end, he kills somebody Dr. No-style? Perhaps some stories of him training Thak to do tricks? Villains like that, to me, seem better in the shadows/off-stage.
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