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Post by mindboggled on Nov 20, 2019 21:47:49 GMT -5
I think Conan creators could do a LOT better. They are now underachievers. Yeah, I think they could always do a lot better. The problem with Conan in the Comics medium is that it has all been done before. Marvel and DH have adapted the majority of the yarns a couple of times and filled in the gaps in Conan's career. Marvel need to do something different. The comics have been more successful in comparison to the pastiche works in prose, movies, games and animation. The comics have done their job, now they need a new, modern interpretation, it is only natural for the character to develop beyond REH's original vision in the comic books - even if the comic book industry is not as healthy as it used to be. It's gotta change even if Conan becomes the first mutant with a healing factor, it is something. Maybe it is time for Solomon Kane, Kull or Dark Agnes to have some of the limelight. They can at least develop, or evolve of you like, beyond the original source material by Robert E. Howard and be enjoyed by a wider comic book reading audience. I love Conan, but I have to agree with you that it's a well that has been drained dry. Unless someone has a truly original idea for Conan, they should refrain from publishing Conan comics. Marvel should turn the spot light on characters that deserve it, yet have not had it. Marvel has an enormous mine of yarns with Howard, they could adapt his horror and stand alone sword and sorcery tales, or his historical fiction. There is so much to chose from.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 2:27:55 GMT -5
Hopefully somebody at Marvel is on this forum, they could legitimately learn a lot here. At least Jim Zub is popping up on various Conan FB pages , nice to see him interacting with the fans. Yeah, I'm not on FB or Twitter, but I have seen him interact with fans on twitter - he seems to have a better understanding of the character. Furthermore, what is really impressive concerning Jim Zub is that he has earned his run on CtB. I liked his introduction of Conan in Avengers: No Road Home and the Conan the Gambler story arc in SSOC.
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Post by Monster on Nov 21, 2019 2:28:45 GMT -5
Maybe it is time for Solomon Kane, Kull or Dark Agnes to have some of the limelight. They can at least develop, or evolve of you like, beyond the original source material by Robert E. Howard and be enjoyed by a wider comic book reading audience. Did Marvel get Kull, too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 2:34:08 GMT -5
Maybe it is time for Solomon Kane, Kull or Dark Agnes to have some of the limelight. They can at least develop, or evolve of you like, beyond the original source material by Robert E. Howard and be enjoyed by a wider comic book reading audience. Did Marvel get Kull, too? I'm not certain. But, I kinda remember, a recent post mentioning that Marvel have acquired the rights to Kull.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 3:26:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I think they could always do a lot better. The problem with Conan in the Comics medium is that it has all been done before. Marvel and DH have adapted the majority of the yarns a couple of times and filled in the gaps in Conan's career. Marvel need to do something different. The comics have been more successful in comparison to the pastiche works in prose, movies, games and animation. The comics have done their job, now they need a new, modern interpretation, it is only natural for the character to develop beyond REH's original vision in the comic books - even if the comic book industry is not as healthy as it used to be. It's gotta change even if Conan becomes the first mutant with a healing factor, it is something. Maybe it is time for Solomon Kane, Kull or Dark Agnes to have some of the limelight. They can at least develop, or evolve of you like, beyond the original source material by Robert E. Howard and be enjoyed by a wider comic book reading audience. I love Conan, but I have to agree with you that it's a well that has been drained dry. Unless someone has a truly original idea for Conan, they should refrain from publishing Conan comics. Marvel should turn the spot light on characters that deserve it, yet have not had it. Marvel has an enormous mine of yarns with Howard, they could adapt his horror and stand alone sword and sorcery tales, or his historical fiction. There is so much to chose from. It'd be a welcome surprise if Marvel could at least launch one successful book with an REH character other than Conan. I'd love to see some of the historical fiction adapted into comics, however I have a number of concerns on whether they would be viable in the current climate; both with regards to the sensibilities of contemporary creators and the audience. I just can't see a major publisher like Marvel going for a crusader type hero. I love these stories, even when my beloved Turko-Mongols are the bad guys. But if you know you're stuff, you realise these so-called adversaries or villains are nothing of the sort in the masterful hands of REH. How can you not see elements of the Cimmerian and other REH heroes in Zengi in Lions of Tiberias, or Baybars, Genghis Khan and Timur? to name a few. All of them have created their own empires, not through inheritance, but through the strength of the own hands, determination and iron-will - and REH loved em for it. Of course, modern commentators just don't see it that way. I gotta feeling that El Borak will encounter similar problems if they ever try to adapt the yarns in comic book form or on screen. I dunno if the well has been drained dry on Conan in the comic books. I just feel that I can see why Marvel have tried something different with the Cimmerian with his inclusion in the modern Marvel Universe. There is no doubt that Conan has been consistently desirable in the Comics industry for nearly 50 years now - I'd say more so than any other medium. As soon as Comic Book publishers realised that the Dark Horse license was up they wanted to get the rights to Conan. They probably caught the scent when DH could not publish Conan the Slayer on a monthly basis. I think there's a lot more the comics industry can do with Conan. Some of us REH fans may not like it but it's only a natural progression for such a popular character in comic books.
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Post by mindboggled on Nov 21, 2019 14:13:26 GMT -5
I dunno if the well has been drained dry on Conan in the comic books. Perhaps my statement was a bit over exaggerated. I still want to read new Conan comics. But I think they need to be approached deliberately. If Marvel was smart they would have hired Tim Truman to continue were he left off with King Conan. With Zim Zub taking the reins of CTB I'am rather pleased. Looking forward to future prospects.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 1:38:18 GMT -5
I dunno if the well has been drained dry on Conan in the comic books. Perhaps my statement was a bit over exaggerated. I still want to read new Conan comics. But I think they need to be approached deliberately. If Marvel was smart they would have hired Tim Truman to continue were he left off with King Conan. With Zim Zub taking the reins of CTB I'am rather pleased. Looking forward to future prospects. Yeah, I'm looking forward to Jim Zub's run on CtB.
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 22, 2019 10:33:13 GMT -5
Did Marvel get Kull, too? I'm not certain. But, I kinda remember, a recent post mentioning that Marvel have acquired the rights to Kull. I think Terry noted a post from Fred that Marvel did license Kull recently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:37:40 GMT -5
I'm not certain. But, I kinda remember, a recent post mentioning that Marvel have acquired the rights to Kull. I think Terry noted a post from Fred that Marvel did license Kull recently. Thanks Johnnypt.
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Post by terryallenuk on Nov 22, 2019 14:45:59 GMT -5
I think Terry noted a post from Fred that Marvel did license Kull recently. Thanks Johnnypt. Yes he confirmed it on Twitter
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 11:07:58 GMT -5
Yes he confirmed it on Twitter I guess we should know more about Marvel plans for Kull pretty soon, probably before next month's Marvel Previews? Maybe.
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Post by terryallenuk on Nov 23, 2019 12:42:30 GMT -5
I hope they are not tempted to throw Kull into the mix too soon with everything else coming out , let the introduction of Agnes and Kane , as well as the Kane omni., finish/come out then it can be Kull's turn.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Nov 23, 2019 15:00:58 GMT -5
Since the Serpent storyline is going to keep going in that other mini, Battle for the Serpent Crown... and involves the Serpent Crown, I'm guessing that's where we'll see Kull. I believe Atlantis was mentioned in the solicit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 15:18:47 GMT -5
Here's an early look at sales estimates for the graphic novels - SSOC omnibus seems to be doing very well (first by dollars) along with the Savage Avengers (9th by units shipped): TOP 10 GRAPHIC NOVELS BY UNITS SHIPPED RANK DESCRIPTION PRICE ITEM CODE VENDOR 1 DCEASED HC $29.99 AUG190650 DC 2 FIREFLY: THE STING HC $19.99 JUL191306 BOO 3 IMMORTAL HULK VOL. 5: BREAKER OF WORLDS TP $15.99 AUG191149 MAR 4 NOVEMBER VOL. 1 HC (MR) $16.99 JUL190077 IMA 5 SUPERMAN: YEAR ONE HC $29.99 AUG190687 DC 6 LEGEND OF KORRA PART 2: RUINS OF EMPIRE TP $10.99 JUN190359 DAR 7 JOURNEY TO STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER: ALLEGIANCE TP $15.99 SEP190991-M MAR 8 LEAGUE OF LEGENDS: LUX TP $15.99 JUL191064 MAR 9 SAVAGE AVENGERS VOL. 1: CITY OF SICKLES TP $15.99 AUG191148 MAR10 STRANGER THINGS: SIX TP $17.99 JUL190353 DAR TOP GRAPHIC NOVELS (by dollars) PRICE PUBLISHER 1 Savage Sword of Conan: The Original Marvel Years Omnibus Vol. 2 HC $125.00 Marvel2 Crisis On Infinite Earths Box Set HC $500.00 DC 3 Absolute Swamp Thing By Alan Moore Vol. 1 HC $99.99 DC 4 Dceased HC $29.99 DC 5 Doom Patrol: The Bronze Age Omnibus HC $125.00 DC 6 Superman: Year One HC $29.99 DC 7 Firefly: The Sting HC $19.99 Boom 8 Batman By Snyder & Capullo Omnibus Vol. 1 HC $125.00 DC 9 New Teen Titans Omnibus Vol. 4 HC $99.00 DC 10 Marvel Masterworks: Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 31 HC $75.00 Marvel Full sales figures will be available early next week. Links: www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/597?articleID=144508www.comichron.com/index.php
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 6, 2019 15:57:54 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how Volume 5 of each series sells when they run out of Roy for now.
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