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Post by kemp on Dec 15, 2020 21:39:52 GMT -5
There is some speculation that there might have been some worldwide cataclysm 12,000 years ago, floods, magnetic pole reversals and a mini ice age ( Younger Dryas ), perhaps the result of a comet strike as postulated in the ancient carvings article provided above. A part of the function of Globekli Tepe might have been as an observatory for monitoring the night sky, with the 'Vulture stone' pillar serving as a kind of memorial to the devastating event that occurred some time before its construction.  Looking at some of the stylised carvings and drawings of animals there seems to be elements found in both Mesoamerican and old world civilizations, perhaps there was an earlier civilization that influenced both sides of the Atlantic, Gobekli Tepe being a very early example, or even influence, but I am just speculating here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 12:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by kemp on Dec 19, 2020 1:45:28 GMT -5
Not as old as Gobekli Tepe and sister sites such as Karahan Tepe, I think Catalhoyuk is worthy of note. Whereas Gobekli Tepe probably served as an ancient observatory or memorial of sorts, Catalhoyuk was a Neolithic proto city that flourished between 7100 BC and 5700 BC, predating Stonehenge by more than 2500 years just to put things into perspective. It was situated in southern Anatolia, modern day Turkey. Turkey seems to have been home to some of the most ancient settlements in the old world. Interestingly enough, some of the earliest production steel was discovered in Anatolia. ![]()   An artists impression of what Catalhoyuk might have looked like in its heyday.   The settlement was finally abandoned around 6000 BC, some researchers attribute it to climatic changes, disease and over crowding that led to farming and grazing being moved further from the growing city. The city also had its fair share of violence, some of the unearthed skulls from the site show lesions from blows to the head. Clay balls were also found at the site, round objects that fit the shape of the blows found on the skulls. www.inverse.com/article/56807-atalhyk-first-city-overcrowding-problemsOf course, many of the damaged skulls showed evidence of healed fractures. Who knows, perhaps the clay balls were used in some sporting contests, hence the injuries, hard to say. Catalhoyuk seemed to share some of the problems inherent in contemporary urban environments. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 9:58:42 GMT -5
 Pyramids of Meroe. Meroe was a wealthy metropolis of the ancient kingdom of Kush in what is today the Republic of Sudan.
I remember reading about these years ago. They cut down all the trees in the area which were holding back the desert. With no trees the desert moved in and destroyed their farm land.
Easter island also fell because the trees were all cut down by the people there.
It's a good bet most of the ancient civilizations that fell were due to manmade disasters, not natural. We are pretty good at destroying nature which ultimately just hurts us.
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Post by kemp on Dec 20, 2020 7:18:17 GMT -5
Man made environmental disasters have certainly been a contributing factor for the collapse of some civilizations, natural resources stretched to their limits. Some studies have suggested that the Nazca also caused their own collapse when they cleared their forests in order to make way for agriculture, thus exposing the landscape to wind and flood erosion. www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/nov/02/nazca-peru-deforestation-research  |
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Post by kemp on Dec 20, 2020 7:32:21 GMT -5
In other cases natural environmental fluctuations played a significant part, for instance the collapse of the Anasazi civilization which had long periods of drought in the region. Drought was probably also responsible for the decline of the Maya, as well as the Indus Valley civilization some 4000 years ago. ![]() ![]()  |
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Post by kemp on Dec 20, 2020 7:42:59 GMT -5
The Norse vikings of Greenland who settled the southern tip of Greenland thrived for some years before descending into a decline starting around the 14th century. The arrival of the Norse Vikings in Greenland coincided with the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about 800 to 1200 A.D. During this time, the usually frigid Greenland boasted a relatively mild climate that was easy to farm and live off.  However, as the world descended into the "Little Ice Age" of the 14th and 15th centuries, the settlements began to fail.  By the mid-1500s, all Norse settlements had been abandoned for warmer lands.  |
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Post by zarono on Dec 20, 2020 8:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by Von K on Dec 21, 2020 21:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Von K on Dec 21, 2020 21:20:23 GMT -5
Apparently the Turkish government pulled the excavation funding for Gobekli Tepe. Must be privately funded groups who excavate these sites now. It was dated using the artifacts found at the site but the actual main structure could potentially be older. Karahan certainly looks older. Hard to get a real sense of the layout at Karahan without more excavation. |
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Post by Von K on Dec 21, 2020 21:29:51 GMT -5
There is some speculation that there might have been some worldwide cataclysm 12,000 years ago, floods, magnetic pole reversals and a mini ice age ( Younger Dryas ), perhaps the result of a comet strike as postulated in the ancient carvings article provided above. I tend to agree with this hypothesis. May even have been a combination or series of these kinds of events. Also postulated are micro-novas of the sun, which some say might be depicted in the art of some ancient cultures (ie art that looks to be representing the torus of a micro-nova emanating from the sun). Fossilised fish have been found high up in the Andes region I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:14:45 GMT -5
There is some speculation that there might have been some worldwide cataclysm 12,000 years ago, floods, magnetic pole reversals and a mini ice age ( Younger Dryas ), perhaps the result of a comet strike as postulated in the ancient carvings article provided above. I tend to agree with this hypothesis. May even have been a combination or series of these kinds of events. Also postulated are micro-novas of the sun, which some say might be depicted in the art of some ancient cultures (ie art that looks to be representing the torus of a micro-nova emanating from the sun). Fossilised fish have been found high up in the Andes region I believe. Many cultures from around the world have myths surrounding a large flood at around that time, like Noah's story in the middle East but even in Japan there are similar stories. These are most likely stories passed down from the end of the last ice age when the sea levels rose and created the modern coast lines.
And it's not like large scale cataclysms can't happen, that is after all the leading theory as to what led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.
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Post by zarono on Dec 22, 2020 9:28:49 GMT -5
Leonard Nimoy tells you all about the coming ice age.
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Post by Char-Vell on Dec 22, 2020 9:51:56 GMT -5
Leonard Nimoy tells you all about the coming ice age. I would never question this source. |
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Post by zarono on Dec 23, 2020 14:45:56 GMT -5
Leonard Nimoy tells you all about the coming ice age. I would never question this source. You are wise! |
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