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Post by zarono on Feb 22, 2016 8:57:36 GMT -5
Beyond just the Conan, Kull, and Red Sonja material REH's influence on the lovecraftian-style supernatural aspect 1970's Marvel universe is strong. REH's Shuma-Gorath became Dr.Strange's adversary in 1972 and is presented as a tentacled monster-god, REH never gave any details on Shuma-Gorath but the name is certainly Lovecraftian enough to bring to mind some otherdimensional horror like Yog-Sothoth so it seems a reasonable assumption. The run has some other creatures with names drawn from REH like the "Shadowmen of Kaa-U" and Skull-Face's true name "Kathulos" is used as a name for a living planet monster (it would have been cool to see the Skull-Face go up up against Dr.Strange though   |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Feb 22, 2016 18:54:54 GMT -5
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Post by zarono on Feb 22, 2016 21:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Feb 23, 2016 6:40:29 GMT -5
Jeff Shanks pointed out the use of "zuvembies" to me. A quick correction on Shuma-Gorath... I did some fairly deep research about 6mo ago, and it appears that (as you might guess) Roy Thomas was the one who put all of those Serpies, Shuma-Gorath and others in that Dr. Strange run. He came up with the plot, then Goodwin and Englehart scripted it. Englehart never used REH's concepts or mentioned the man ever again after that run. Another thing to mention is that Marvel worked the Hyborian Age into the origin of Namor's Atlantis. Also, though this would be semi-pastiche, there is the Serpent Crown: marvel.com/universe/Serpent_Crown |
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Post by deuce on Feb 23, 2016 7:25:12 GMT -5
The scholarship in this is pretty much junk in regard to REH, but it gives him a shout-out: davescorneroftheuniverse.wordpress.com/2016/02/21/the-secret-origin-of-dcus-arkham-asylum/So it looks like Jack Harris actually suggested "Arkham Asylum". I still think Wandrei may've had some influence, if only just to make other DC guys aware of HPL. About the coolest thing I got from it was that Roy Thomas helped O'Neil get a job. They were both Missouri boys. I always considered Denny to be the "Roy Thomas" of DC in the '70s. |
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Post by zarono on Feb 23, 2016 8:20:06 GMT -5
The scholarship in this is pretty much junk in regard to REH, but it gives him a shout-out: davescorneroftheuniverse.wordpress.com/2016/02/21/the-secret-origin-of-dcus-arkham-asylum/So it looks like Jack Harris actually suggested "Arkham Asylum". I still think Wandrei may've had some influence, if only just to make other DC guys aware of HPL. About the coolest thing I got from it was that Roy Thomas helped O'Neil get a job. They were both Missouri boys. I always considered Denny to be the "Roy Thomas" of DC in the '70s. Good article! 1974 must have been the year for DC to get infected by the Cthulhu Mythos because 8 months before Arkham Hospital/Asylum appeared in Batman Len Wein created M'Nagalah, an extradimensional blob monster-god in Swamp Thing #8. Wein even mentions Lovecraft by name in the story.  |
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Post by zarono on Feb 23, 2016 8:32:46 GMT -5
Jeff Shanks pointed out the use of "zuvembies" to me. A quick correction on Shuma-Gorath... I did some fairly deep research about 6mo ago, and it appears that (as you might guess) Roy Thomas was the one who put all of those Serpies, Shuma-Gorath and others in that Dr. Strange run. He came up with the plot, then Goodwin and Englehart scripted it. Englehart never used REH's concepts or mentioned the man ever again after that run. Another thing to mention is that Marvel worked the Hyborian Age into the origin of Namor's Atlantis. Also, though this would be semi-pastiche, there is the Serpent Crown: marvel.com/universe/Serpent_CrownI had forgot about the Namor/Hyborian age connection, I wonder if that's still part of the "Marvel Universe"? And while we are talking about Marvel superheroes with Hyborian Age origins we have to mention the coolest of all, BLOODSTONE  |
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Post by zarono on Feb 23, 2016 10:10:46 GMT -5
Monster Hunters #2 oct 1975, Charlton comics -"The Kukulkaton" by Tom Sutton. This story is generally just considered Lovecraft or Cthulhu Mythos inspired since it mentions Cthulhu, Nyarlthotep, and Hastur, (and Tom Sutton has done other stories with direct mythos references) but some elements bring to mind REH's "The Thing on the Roof": 1. a lost temple in the Yucatan 2. a search for a treasure 3. a "key' of sorts 4. the monster is in the lowest vault where the greedy mercenary guy thinks the motherload of treasure will be hidden Not irrefutably REH influenced but enough to set my howard-sense tingling   |
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Post by kullagain on Feb 23, 2016 12:25:46 GMT -5
Had no idea about the direct Howardian influence on these creations, especially Shuma Gorath, sounds like other places where REH's influence is at least superficially missed.  |
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Post by deuce on Feb 23, 2016 18:27:43 GMT -5
Another thing to mention is that Marvel (Roy, basically) worked the Hyborian Age into the origin of Namor's Atlantis. Also, though this would be semi-pastiche, there is the Serpent Crown: marvel.com/universe/Serpent_CrownSeveral wacky things about Serpent Crown. One would think it's derived/"ripped off" from the "Cobra Crown" of Conan the Buccaneer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_BuccaneerNot so, apparently. The Serpent Crown was created by Roy Thomas (there he is again) for Sub-Mariner #9 in 1969. The stories for "Buccaneer" didn't see print until 1971. The thing is, Lin Carter was a huge pulp fan. He was probably also a comics fan. Did he read those Sub-Mariner issues? If so, then Roy Thomas may have actually influenced Conan the Buccaneer. It's a crazy world. Oh yeah, and when I said that the Serpent Crown was "semi-pastiche", by that I was referring to the possibly/probably mythical "Diadem of the Monster-Kings" mentioned in REH's The God in the Bowl.  |
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Post by deuce on Mar 22, 2016 16:18:51 GMT -5
"Dagoth" is from the same Doc Strange run as Shuma-Gorath: www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dagoth.htmThere's a whole bunch of bad data/speculation on that page. One of the main things to ignore is that "Gardner Fox and Craig Russell" created Dagoth. No way. I'll bet my bottom dollar that Roy Thomas, as overall editor, came up with Dagoth (derived from 1 of 2 possible Howardian sources), just like nearly everything in that run. |
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Post by bobbyderie on Mar 23, 2016 4:42:35 GMT -5
Monster Hunters #2 oct 1975, Charlton comics -"The Kukulkaton" by Tom Sutton. This story is generally just considered Lovecraft or Cthulhu Mythos inspired since it mentions Cthulhu, Nyarlthotep, and Hastur, (and Tom Sutton has done other stories with direct mythos references) but some elements bring to mind REH's "The Thing on the Roof": 1. a lost temple in the Yucatan 2. a search for a treasure 3. a "key' of sorts 4. the monster is in the lowest vault where the greedy mercenary guy thinks the motherload of treasure will be hidden Not irrefutably REH influenced but enough to set my howard-sense tingling Tom Sutton did a number of stories like that, including at least one unofficial Clark Ashton Smith adaptation. In general, of course, the success of Conan the Barbarian led pretty much directly to many other "barbarian" and Sword-&-Sorcery characters in comics at the time - from the underground Barbarian Comix to the British Thrud the Barbarian. |
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