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Post by crkrueger on Feb 27, 2016 16:16:58 GMT -5
Blond haired, blue-eyed, saucy, wanton Brythunian wenches, the desired slaves of Zamorans, Turanians and well, everyone really.
Where the heck did this come from, because I really can't find it in Howards tales? Which pastiche writer gave us this stereotype?
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Post by deuce on Feb 27, 2016 16:32:06 GMT -5
Blond haired, blue-eyed, saucy, wanton Brythunian wenches, the desired slaves of Zamorans, Turanians and well, everyone really. Where the heck did this come from, because I really can't find it in Howards tales? Which pastiche writer gave us this stereotype? Natala in Xuthal of the Dusk. Don't know about the "saucy" part. Ukrainian/ Slavic girls were enslaved by Vikings/Rus (as well as Turkish tribesmen) and traded all over Dar-al-Islam. Hence "slave". www.medievalists.net/2016/02/22/dirhams-for-slaves-investigating-the-slavic-slave-trade-in-the-tenth-century/Welcome to the forum, CRK.   |
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Post by crkrueger on Feb 27, 2016 17:03:22 GMT -5
Thanks, Deuce. When I picture "ancient Slavic" I don't see blond-haired and blue-eyed, so I was blind to the connection. I guess if the Hyperboreans are a Rus-analogue it makes sense, moving south. Looking at the some of entries for Brythunia in various RPGs, they all seem to be pulling from the same pastiche source (blond, highly prized, easily tamed, etc.) I just wondered if it came from whoever named the Brythunian cities after Polish foods.  I suppose if they're assigning cultural or racial traits based on Natala, that's getting you there too. |
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Post by fernando on Mar 13, 2016 15:28:02 GMT -5
Turanians indeed enslaved Brythunian wenches, as we can see in TDiI.  |
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Post by deuce on Apr 21, 2016 10:12:35 GMT -5
Brythunian...oops, Polish girls showing what's up:
That said, Brythunian culture judging from REH names like "Aratus" doesn't appear to be especially "Slavic" or "medieval Polish". That is just the most likely model.
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Post by deuce on Apr 21, 2016 12:44:07 GMT -5
Thanks, Deuce. When I picture "ancient Slavic" I don't see blond-haired and blue-eyed, so I was blind to the connection. I guess if the Hyperboreans are a Rus-analogue it makes sense, moving south. No problem. Simply using REH's data given in the "Hyborian Age" essay would lead one to guess that the Brythunians should be mostly blonde, since he stated that the primal Hyborian stock was universally "tawny-haired" and the Brythunians don't seem to have had much non-Hyborian admixture (as opposed to the Kothians or Corinthians). This study shows blondes at 58% in modern Poland: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497312001810 |
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