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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 0:32:10 GMT -5
Red Sonya should look like that in the Red Sonya movie, but this is Red Sonja movie. I agree. I hope that Conan in the TV series or movie will be dressed in similar clothes or that he will be wearing full armor, not half naked in loincloth.His loincloth is a super-hero outfit, or perhaps something for adolescents to admire.
I'd rather have something real than this sexist and impractical costume.
Good point. Funny how some go all 'practical'' when the 'issue' of Red Sonja's chain mail bikini comes up, but have no problems about so many depictions of Conan in superhero fur shorts. Find me a thread where everyone is so concerned about Conan's duds. I dunno. I understand there's a tradition in the comics with Red Sonja in the chain mail bikini and Conan's fur loin cloth. I could see the traditional comic book character design work in an animated series. But it'd look very silly, and (inaccurate for REH's Conan) in a live action movie or TV series. I think there is some hope now that MJ Bassett is writing and directing. |
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Post by robp on Apr 2, 2022 7:55:49 GMT -5
Good point. Funny how some go all 'practical'' when the 'issue' of Red Sonja's chain mail bikini comes up, but have no problems about so many depictions of Conan in superhero fur shorts. Find me a thread where everyone is so concerned about Conan's duds. I see that quite a lot, particularly on the FB groups. Fans want to see Conan as written, not the fur nappy Marvel costume. |
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Post by kemp on Apr 2, 2022 8:20:01 GMT -5
Good point. Funny how some go all 'practical'' when the 'issue' of Red Sonja's chain mail bikini comes up, but have no problems about so many depictions of Conan in superhero fur shorts. Find me a thread where everyone is so concerned about Conan's duds. I dunno. I understand there's a tradition in the comics with Red Sonja in the chain mail bikini and Conan's fur loin cloth. I could see the traditional comic book character design work in an animated series. But it'd look very silly, and (inaccurate for REH's Conan) in a live action movie or TV series. I think there is some hope now that MJ Bassett is writing and directing. Sure, I never exactly pictured the comic Conan when I read REH's original material, probably something that was more a creation of the imagery created by FF and subsequent Marvel artists such as Buscema, but I think the Red Sonja in question, the one many think about, is the sword wielding chain mail bikini clad heroine created by Roy Thomas. In all honesty I am not sure how you can seriously work that into anything else without it being a failure, but they may try, perhaps get an audience. It's just that it has always seemed that so many people are overly concerned these days with dressing Red Sonja in 'appropriate' attire. It's like the Victorian era come back, but from the other political direction now. I think women have a long way to go before they are truly, to use an early twentieth century term, emancipated to the point that it is ok to see some women as leaders, warriors and at times as sex objects, and lets be honest, we guys can get away with that without a hitch for the most part. Not so for the ladies. For instance, Conan shagging women around him, you don't notice, but try that with a leading female protagonist and everyone screams sexism or that she is coming off like 'too easy' and such. I guess with Red they went around that 'problem' with the never making out with a man until he defeats her in battle thing. |
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Post by robp on Apr 2, 2022 9:19:10 GMT -5
I think there is some hope now that MJ Bassett is writing and directing. Sure, I never exactly pictured the comic Conan when I read REH's original material, probably something that was more a creation of the imagery created by FF and subsequent Marvel artists such as Buscema, but I think the Red Sonja in question, the one many think about, is the sword wielding chain mail bikini clad heroine created by Roy Thomas. In all honesty I am not sure how you can seriously work that into anything else without it being a failure, but they may try, perhaps get an audience. It's just that it has always seemed that so many people are overly concerned these days with dressing Red Sonja in 'appropriate' attire. It's like the Victorian era come back, but from the other political direction now. I think women have a long way to go before they are truly, to use an early twentieth century term, emancipated to the point that it is ok to see some women as leaders, warriors and at times as sex objects, and lets be honest, we guys can get away with that without a hitch for the most part. Not so for the ladies. For instance, Conan shagging women around him, you don't notice, but try that with a leading female protagonist and everyone screams sexism or that she is coming off like 'too easy' and such. I guess with Red they went around that 'problem' with the never making out with a man until he defeats her in battle thing. Well it might be interesting to see if we ever get a male hero who gains his power and agency through being raped. Norsemen handled the female warrior well, even though it was a comedy show. |
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Post by Monster on Apr 2, 2022 23:26:33 GMT -5
I think the only way a chain mail bikini or fur loin cloth works is if it is just a passing Easter egg, essentially. At an encampment or during a time while not in battle. They leave for battle or travel and don armor and/or additional clothing. They may even, hopefully not, do the cliché "What did you expect, a chain mail bikini!?" line from Sonja to answer a question from someone.
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Post by kemp on Apr 3, 2022 0:44:14 GMT -5
Sure, I never exactly pictured the comic Conan when I read REH's original material, probably something that was more a creation of the imagery created by FF and subsequent Marvel artists such as Buscema, but I think the Red Sonja in question, the one many think about, is the sword wielding chain mail bikini clad heroine created by Roy Thomas. In all honesty I am not sure how you can seriously work that into anything else without it being a failure, but they may try, perhaps get an audience. It's just that it has always seemed that so many people are overly concerned these days with dressing Red Sonja in 'appropriate' attire. It's like the Victorian era come back, but from the other political direction now. I think women have a long way to go before they are truly, to use an early twentieth century term, emancipated to the point that it is ok to see some women as leaders, warriors and at times as sex objects, and lets be honest, we guys can get away with that without a hitch for the most part. Not so for the ladies. For instance, Conan shagging women around him, you don't notice, but try that with a leading female protagonist and everyone screams sexism or that she is coming off like 'too easy' and such. I guess with Red they went around that 'problem' with the never making out with a man until he defeats her in battle thing. Well it might be interesting to see if we ever get a male hero who gains his power and agency through being raped. Norsemen handled the female warrior well, even though it was a comedy show. Yeah, I like Froya's no nonsense look. No wonder Arvid was taken with her. ![]()  'Well it might be interesting to see if we ever get a male hero who gains his power and agency through being raped.'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 3:10:52 GMT -5
I dunno. I understand there's a tradition in the comics with Red Sonja in the chain mail bikini and Conan's fur loin cloth. I could see the traditional comic book character design work in an animated series. But it'd look very silly, and (inaccurate for REH's Conan) in a live action movie or TV series. I think there is some hope now that MJ Bassett is writing and directing. Sure, I never exactly pictured the comic Conan when I read REH's original material, probably something that was more a creation of the imagery created by FF and subsequent Marvel artists such as Buscema, but I think the Red Sonja in question, the one many think about, is the sword wielding chain mail bikini clad heroine created by Roy Thomas. In all honesty I am not sure how you can seriously work that into anything else without it being a failure, but they may try, perhaps get an audience. It's just that it has always seemed that so many people are overly concerned these days with dressing Red Sonja in 'appropriate' attire. It's like the Victorian era come back, but from the other political direction now. I think women have a long way to go before they are truly, to use an early twentieth century term, emancipated to the point that it is ok to see some women as leaders, warriors and at times as sex objects, and lets be honest, we guys can get away with that without a hitch for the most part. Not so for the ladies. For instance, Conan shagging women around him, you don't notice, but try that with a leading female protagonist and everyone screams sexism or that she is coming off like 'too easy' and such. I guess with Red they went around that 'problem' with the never making out with a man until he defeats her in battle thing. Probably, what I'm trying to say, not too well, is that I'd prefer the Roy Thomas approach to Red Sonja to the movie. What I mean by that is the inspiration should come from REH's Red Sonya. Characteristics & Elements of REH's 'Shadow of the Vulture' and Red Sonya should be introduced in the movie. For example, Red Sonja's sister could be the favourite concubine of prince Yezdigerd - a great reason for Sonja to hate the Turanian Empire. I dunno if the movie can be taken seriously if we get the chain mail bikini. It'll be like, 'Yeah, it's great fun!', the kinda of thing you can say about Marvel's Savage Avengers, but it is not Conan. Even though the chain mail bikini is true aesthetically to the comic book character (the majority of post-Thomas Conan comics are unreadable), I don't think it is right for the movie. I'd love to be proved wrong if it does work in the movie. Hopefully, now Soloway is out of the way, MJ Bassett can give us a Red Sonja closer to REH's interpretation of the character set in REH's Hyborian Age. |
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Post by robp on Apr 3, 2022 3:52:20 GMT -5
Probably, what I'm trying to say, not too well, is that I'd prefer the Roy Thomas approach to Red Sonja to the movie. What I mean by that is the inspiration should come from REH's Red Sonya. Characteristics & Elements of REH's 'Shadow of the Vulture' and Red Sonya should be introduced in the movie. For example, Red Sonja's sister could be the favourite concubine of prince Yezdigerd - a great reason for Sonja to hate the Turanian Empire. I dunno if the movie can be taken seriously if we get the chain mail bikini. It'll be like, 'Yeah, it's great fun!', the kinda of thing you can say about Marvel's Savage Avengers, but it is not Conan. Even though the chain mail bikini is true aesthetically to the comic book character (the majority of post-Thomas Conan comics are unreadable), I don't think it is right for the movie. I'd love to be proved wrong if it does work in the movie. Hopefully, now Soloway is out of the way, MJ Bassett can give us a Red Sonja closer to REH's interpretation of the character set in REH's Hyborian Age. True - and wasn't her first appearance in Marvel with Roy Thomas and BWS, where there was no chain mail bikini? An adaptation of SOTV would be a good start. |
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Post by kemp on Apr 3, 2022 5:49:14 GMT -5
Sure, I never exactly pictured the comic Conan when I read REH's original material, probably something that was more a creation of the imagery created by FF and subsequent Marvel artists such as Buscema, but I think the Red Sonja in question, the one many think about, is the sword wielding chain mail bikini clad heroine created by Roy Thomas. In all honesty I am not sure how you can seriously work that into anything else without it being a failure, but they may try, perhaps get an audience. It's just that it has always seemed that so many people are overly concerned these days with dressing Red Sonja in 'appropriate' attire. It's like the Victorian era come back, but from the other political direction now. I think women have a long way to go before they are truly, to use an early twentieth century term, emancipated to the point that it is ok to see some women as leaders, warriors and at times as sex objects, and lets be honest, we guys can get away with that without a hitch for the most part. Not so for the ladies. For instance, Conan shagging women around him, you don't notice, but try that with a leading female protagonist and everyone screams sexism or that she is coming off like 'too easy' and such. I guess with Red they went around that 'problem' with the never making out with a man until he defeats her in battle thing. Probably, what I'm trying to say, not too well, is that I'd prefer the Roy Thomas approach to Red Sonja to the movie. What I mean by that is the inspiration should come from REH's Red Sonya. Characteristics & Elements of REH's 'Shadow of the Vulture' and Red Sonya should be introduced in the movie. For example, Red Sonja's sister could be the favourite concubine of prince Yezdigerd - a great reason for Sonja to hate the Turanian Empire. I dunno if the movie can be taken seriously if we get the chain mail bikini. It'll be like, 'Yeah, it's great fun!', the kinda of thing you can say about Marvel's Savage Avengers, but it is not Conan. Even though the chain mail bikini is true aesthetically to the comic book character (the majority of post-Thomas Conan comics are unreadable), I don't think it is right for the movie. I'd love to be proved wrong if it does work in the movie. Hopefully, now Soloway is out of the way, MJ Bassett can give us a Red Sonja closer to REH's interpretation of the character set in REH's Hyborian Age. Maybe I just never saw the chain mail bikini Red Sonja as going beyond an acceptable 80's hack and slash fantasy flick with a good helping of magic and some sexploitation, all depends how niche you want the thing, and I can still find a place for that. If you are talking about a Red Sonja to appeal to most audience demographics then the chain mail bikini clad Red Sonja will not work for everyone, but nor will using the character as a vehicle for virtue signalling for the unppeasably woke and that is always a danger of where the project will go. Personally, I think giving her a rouguish look, the figure on the left would work on screen, still sexy and not overdressed. She's Hyrkanian, give her a saber, not some longsword/broadsword. Notice the bow strapped on her back. Work the appeal.  |
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 3, 2022 12:47:46 GMT -5
Probably, what I'm trying to say, not too well, is that I'd prefer the Roy Thomas approach to Red Sonja to the movie. What I mean by that is the inspiration should come from REH's Red Sonya. Characteristics & Elements of REH's 'Shadow of the Vulture' and Red Sonya should be introduced in the movie. For example, Red Sonja's sister could be the favourite concubine of prince Yezdigerd - a great reason for Sonja to hate the Turanian Empire. I dunno if the movie can be taken seriously if we get the chain mail bikini. It'll be like, 'Yeah, it's great fun!', the kinda of thing you can say about Marvel's Savage Avengers, but it is not Conan. Even though the chain mail bikini is true aesthetically to the comic book character (the majority of post-Thomas Conan comics are unreadable), I don't think it is right for the movie. I'd love to be proved wrong if it does work in the movie. Hopefully, now Soloway is out of the way, MJ Bassett can give us a Red Sonja closer to REH's interpretation of the character set in REH's Hyborian Age. True - and wasn't her first appearance in Marvel with Roy Thomas and BWS, where there was no chain mail bikini? An adaptation of SOTV would be a good start. Correct, she was attired like the image in the middle. She got the chair mail bikini in the Maroto story in SSOC #1 |
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Post by bonesaw on Apr 5, 2022 6:53:44 GMT -5
Veiny women arms are hot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 0:39:34 GMT -5
‘Red Sonja’ Director Sues to Expedite Visa for Film Shoot in Europe
M.J. Bassett says the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services has delayed processing the immigration case, jeopardizing plans to shoot the Millennium film in Bulgaria and Greece.BY WINSTON CHO  M.J. Bassett, director and writer of Silent Hill: Revelation and Rogue, has sued the U.S. immigration office to salvage upcoming sword and sorcery movie Red Sonja.
In a lawsuit against U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, Bassett argues the government is unduly delaying a request to travel to Europe to shoot the project. Bassett claims the setback is jeopardizing the $35 million movie.
The complaint filed on Monday in California federal court alleges that failure to grant the request will “unquestionably cause her severe financial loss” of at least $1 million to direct the movie “by making it impracticable, if not actually impossible for her to travel to Greece and Bulgaria for pre-production and filming and, just as importantly, making the film uninsurable, and therefore dooming it before it ever begins.”
USCIS allegedly told Bassett that the delay in processing the immigration case is because of the war in Ukraine, according to the lawsuit.
The Red Sonja character, who first appeared in Marvel Comics’ Conan the Barbarian in the early 1970s, has been languishing in development as a feature for decades. It hit another roadblock in March when Millennium announced that Joey Soloway will no longer be directing the movie and Hannah John-Kamen, who starred as a villain in Ant-Man and the Wasp and was a lead in series Brave New World, dropped out as the titular character.
Bassett says it’s of the “utmost urgency” to be granted advance parole — which provides people who fear that they will be inadmissible if they leave the country with an assurance that they will be allowed to return — on an expedited basis so the director can travel to Europe to direct the movie. Bassett claims that the entire project and a $1 million fee for directing the movie are at risk.
“MJ Bassett’s welfare is in fact at stake here in that a denial of an expedite could prejudice her entire future career, the development of which has been her life’s work,” the lawsuit states.
According to the complaint, preproduction for the movie was supposed to start in Bulgaria on March 28 with principal photography set to start on June 20.
The director’s previous application for emergency advance parole was granted but expires on April 22 since they are only issued for 30 days at a time.
Bassett also argues that further delay of the application will hurt the country’s chances at attracting top talent from overseas. The director claims the United States has an “interest in attracting the most outstanding artists to its shores, particularly in the film and television industry which is one of the few fields of endeavor in which the U.S. unquestionably is the world leader, and which the best strategy for maintaining that lead is to attract the most outstanding filmmakers to leave their home countries (and their film industries) and come contribute to ours.”
Millennium and a representative for Bassett didn’t return requests for comment.
Source: www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/red-sonja-director-sues-expedite-visa-for-film-shoot-in-europe-1235129939/
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Post by hyrkanian on Apr 14, 2022 2:51:59 GMT -5
It looks like Kulan Gath put the curse on this movie.
Now I understand what was the point of Shannon's comment under the photo.
35m-a modest budget. A 1m for MJ, but the real question is-how much is for the lead actress. If they found a new face, I suppose she couldn't ask much money. But anyway, I dont think we are going to see epic battles with that money.
The irony is that a month ago Bassett publicly supported Ukraine against the "insane dictator".
Now she can only hope that Putin completes a special operation in Ukraine by May 9.
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Post by kemp on Apr 15, 2022 4:02:23 GMT -5
The 2011 Conan the Barbarian was shot in Bulgaria for location. If eastern Europe proves too volatile due to the war in Ukraine, there are other locations that can be considered.
Personally, I would like to see Red Sonja's preproduction done in Australia. We are on the verge of lifting most of the remaining Covid restrictions and mandates. There are excellent movie studio lots and locales.
In fact, Australia should be considered for a Conan production. I can easily pull up a list of blockbuster Hollywood movies shot in Australia.
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Post by hyrkanian on Apr 15, 2022 7:10:05 GMT -5
In new RS series by Dan Abnett - Immortal, Sonja is in her original outfit/costume again. I like it very much, but chainmail shirt and hot pants would look ridiculous in the movie, as a combination of the clothes of a medieval knight and a superhero from modern era.
I'm afraid that the director and costume designer will opt for a generic costume, similar to some of the costumes worn by famous female warriors on film:
That would be the safest solution for the director, producers and a film company because Hollywood PC police, feminists and Twitter political commissars of the liberal left would approve such a costume, and besides, it would look realistic and practical.
But a warrior in such a costume would not be a real Red Sonja because the chainmail bikini is an integral and inseparable part of the visual identity of She-Devil with the sword, a costume for which she is famous in the world of comics and fantasy in general and standing out from other female warriors in the world of fiction.
Making a film about Red Sonja in which she will not be able to wear her iconic costume is as meaningless as making a Spider-Man film in which he will not appear in his famous costume, or making a Tarzan film in which he will be in a suit all the time.
To quote some of the comments about this topic from CBR forum and Red Sonja Reddit sub:
Realism? Practicality? It’s a movie about comic book character from Hyborian world, a sword and sorcery/fantasy movie.
But if they still want reason/justification/explanation for her chainmail bikini, well, they can find it:
Of course, Sonja doesn't have to wear it all the time in the movie, but in key scenes of the movie and crucial fights, she must wear it.  Whether such a costume can work on film is a legitimate question, but as I said, and as a few other people have written on this subject here - if the film is shot in a stylized way, so that it visually resembles a comic book (like 300 and Sin City movies or the Spartacus series), Sonja's chainmail bikini will look terrific on the movie screen and convincing too. Like everything else we will see in that kind of movie, because we would have the impression that we entered some of Conan/Sonja comics and novels, that the Hyborian era came to life before our eyes.
I would like M.J. Bassett to have the courage and vision to choose a lead actress who looks like Sonja from comics and illustrations and to portray her and Hyborian world and people authentically, the way they should look and behave, regardless of whether it will anger or offend the false moralists on duty.
I am sure that such a film would be liked by the general public, and not only by Conan/Sonja/sword and sorcery/fantasy fans, and that it would be commercially successful.
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