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Post by kemp on Sept 24, 2022 4:49:12 GMT -5
Does Midnight's Edge cite their sources for that? I think it is more likely that the article should have cited their sources - which it turns out to be from a recent video by Andre at Midnight's Edge:. ‘LOTR: The Rings of Power’: How Amazon Screwed themselves and helped their competition!It's true about the overemphasis on making things 'female centric' even when it doesn't call for it. In the CBD in Melbourne the other week, tram rolls past, plastered on the whole side of the tram ( streetcar for yanks ) was a poster for the Rings of Power, with in your face large Galadriel and Miriel, a few other characters rendered small somewhere in the bottom.
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 24, 2022 4:57:25 GMT -5
It definitely started to add more complexities to the characters. They’re doing their best at using the Silmarils without being able to use the Silmarillion.
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Post by alexander on Sept 24, 2022 9:21:44 GMT -5
It may be a totally dumb question but how do one assesses the financial success (I mean return on investment) of a streaming series? I understand they can know how many people have watched the series but then, so what? On NBC or CBS you can compare the costs with the revenues from commercials, but on Amazon/Netflix??? I'm curious
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 24, 2022 12:44:58 GMT -5
It may be a totally dumb question but how do one assesses the financial success (I mean return on investment) of a streaming series? I understand they can know how many people have watched the series but then, so what? On NBC or CBS you can compare the costs with the revenues from commercials, but on Amazon/Netflix??? I'm curious That's an excellent question. There must be some metric they and Netflix and the others have where they have X number of viewers, they spent Y amount on the program and there's some factor Z that makes it profitable or not. We know Stranger Things has huge viewership, but what makes it profitable? Even the cable premium channels were driven by increased subscriptions to some level. The numbers for Prime and Netflix are so large right at the start, how does a slight increase or decrease be linked directly to one show? The business model does work in general, but how do you get to that number?
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 24, 2022 12:49:07 GMT -5
I think it is more likely that the article should have cited their sources - which it turns out to be from a recent video by Andre at Midnight's Edge:. ‘LOTR: The Rings of Power’: How Amazon Screwed themselves and helped their competition!It's true about the overemphasis on making things 'female centric' even when it doesn't call for it. In the CBD in Melbourne the other week, tram rolls past, plastered on the whole side of the tram ( streetcar for yanks ) was a poster for the Rings of Power, with in your face large Galadriel and Miriel, a few other characters rendered small somewhere in the bottom. That's marketing and that's one of the things hindering the show. Galadriel will need to take a back seat eventually. The drivers of the show towards the end are Pharazon, Elendil, Gil-Galad and Isildur. She's definitely there but she and her husband (ick, a man!) Celeborn are off to the side...say is he ever going to show up? He was there since the First Age and it's right there in the appendixes, so he's in their stable of characters.
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Post by alexander on Sept 24, 2022 13:16:54 GMT -5
It may be a totally dumb question but how do one assesses the financial success (I mean return on investment) of a streaming series? I understand they can know how many people have watched the series but then, so what? On NBC or CBS you can compare the costs with the revenues from commercials, but on Amazon/Netflix??? I'm curious That's an excellent question. There must be some metric they and Netflix and the others have where they have X number of viewers, they spent Y amount on the program and there's some factor Z that makes it profitable or not. We know Stranger Things has huge viewership, but what makes it profitable? Even the cable premium channels were driven by increased subscriptions to some level. The numbers for Prime and Netflix are so large right at the start, how does a slight increase or decrease be linked directly to one show? The business model does work in general, but how do you get to that number? I've found this article that gives some explanation. Emphasis on "some" Amazon ratings and ROI. I found this bit quite interesting, if not revealing: "In 2018, Reuters reported on internal Amazon documents, which included the company’s measurements of how many people different original series helped draw to Prime. A key metric used at that time was “cost per first stream,” which compares a show’s budget against how many users streamed it as their first watch upon subscribing to Prime. According to Reuters, the company interpreted a “first stream” as meaning the show in question drew that subscriber to Prime, and valued shows that drew more subscribers at a lower cost."
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 24, 2022 13:41:52 GMT -5
Did my best to move all Rings of Power discussion to this thread.
I think we should keep the JRRT thread to just the man and his works.
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 24, 2022 16:50:06 GMT -5
Did my best to move all Rings of Power discussion to this thread. I think we should keep the JRRT thread to just the man and his works. Got it, TV show here, books over there!
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 24, 2022 17:42:07 GMT -5
AMAZON STUDIOS PRESENTS: "Between the time when men drank soy lattes and the rise of the sons of cancel culture there was an age undreamt of - the Wokorian Age, when genders were fluid and the world was perpetually offended. And onto this came WOKAN the Apologarian, small, skinny, fussily-dressed, opinionated, non-binary, an apologist, a vegan, a climate change zealot, a laughing stock with gigantic ignorances and gigantic apologies to all self-proclaimed minorities and victims, to tread no one beneath his/her/its sandaled feet lest he/she/it offend even the smallest child, the most obscure animal or a single plant. It is I, his/her/its non-binary partner, alone who can tell thee his/her/its saga. Let me tell you of the days of no adventure." 🥳🥳🥳 haha brilliant, just classic brother, that's Amazon alright. Smack dab in the middle of Europe, hope Serbia rides out the wave with very little impact in this tumultuous period. They should probably let the Serbs make a Conan film next time around. Forget about Hollywood and Netshits. Thank you, my barbarian brother 🍻 By the way, there are a couple of world-class talented directors in Serbia, and films and series are shot in the old way - untainted by woke culture. If you want, watch Shadows over Balkan, by Dragan Bjelogrlic. I think the series would delight you. Like most people here. It has everything to satisfy any Howard fan.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 24, 2022 22:27:20 GMT -5
Did my best to move all Rings of Power discussion to this thread. I think we should keep the JRRT thread to just the man and his works. Got it, TV show here, books over there! But feel free to talk about the books as they relate to the series here, too. Like what you have been doing.
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Post by kemp on Sept 24, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5
haha brilliant, just classic brother, that's Amazon alright. Smack dab in the middle of Europe, hope Serbia rides out the wave with very little impact in this tumultuous period. They should probably let the Serbs make a Conan film next time around. Forget about Hollywood and Netshits. Thank you, my barbarian brother 🍻 By the way, there are a couple of world-class talented directors in Serbia, and films and series are shot in the old way - untainted by woke culture. If you want, watch Shadows over Balkan, by Dragan Bjelogrlic. I think the series would delight you. Like most people here. It has everything to satisfy any Howard fan. Shadows over Balkan ( Senke nad Balkanom ) right, I will try and check that one out Blackheart.
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Post by kemp on Sept 24, 2022 22:56:13 GMT -5
It's true about the overemphasis on making things 'female centric' even when it doesn't call for it. In the CBD in Melbourne the other week, tram rolls past, plastered on the whole side of the tram ( streetcar for yanks ) was a poster for the Rings of Power, with in your face large Galadriel and Miriel, a few other characters rendered small somewhere in the bottom. That's marketing and that's one of the things hindering the show. Galadriel will need to take a back seat eventually. The drivers of the show towards the end are Pharazon, Elendil, Gil-Galad and Isildur. She's definitely there but she and her husband (ick, a man!) Celeborn are off to the side...say is he ever going to show up? He was there since the First Age and it's right there in the appendixes, so he's in their stable of characters. A husband, how shocking. I mean, women don't need those 'encumbrances'. Seriously, the thing with that marketing is the constant presumption that advertising like that would act as some sort of drawcard for an audience, and I am beginning to wonder if they really care at all. Let's face facts, and there is nothing shameful about admitting it, a very large sector of the LotR fan club is made up of white males, so why disenfranchise an important demographic market. To put it another way, if the goal is to keep people switched on to Netflix because of said large number of Netflix viewers, why endanger that lofty goal with sub standard woke material that is doing the opposite with a steady loss of subscribers. At some point it will knock them off their perch.
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 25, 2022 16:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 26, 2022 10:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 26, 2022 12:05:19 GMT -5
They were planning an event in Boston but they had to cancel. It’s ok, not a big college town…
The article is not wrong per se, but sounds like excuse making galore. And we don’t even know if it’ll been a solid hit or big disaster. My guess is slightly toward the positive but was that intended to be good enough?
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