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Post by kemp on Aug 16, 2023 20:44:40 GMT -5
I haven't read the issue yet but if Conan is going to team up with any Pict, it would be one he'd like to have sexual relations with, like this woman. That's what I was thinking too, his prejudice stops at the women, why let something like a little racial hatred between the Cimmerians and Picts get in the way of that.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 17, 2023 7:33:25 GMT -5
I haven't read the issue yet but if Conan is going to team up with any Pict, it would be one he'd like to have sexual relations with, like this woman. That's what I was thinking too, his prejudice stops at the women, why let something like a little racial hatred between the Cimmerians and Picts get in the way of that. Yeah there's a big difference between this situation and Jason Aaron's "Fight like Picts" fiasco.
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Post by hun on Aug 17, 2023 9:38:58 GMT -5
Read this issue again this morning on the bus and kinda realised, that really there's no reason or time for Conan to demonstrate his hatred of Picts in this comic.
Brissa arrives on horseback and warns those at the outpost that an 'army unlike anything you have faced before marches this way! They will not stop 'til everyone in their path is dead!
Conan does not respond, another character does, not believing the Pict, and before you know it the 'Lost Army' of (zombie?) Picts attacks them.
Conan fights well and so does Brissa, she helps Conan and when she is in trouble and Conan can flee he decides to help her out. They both escape and talk a little at the end of the comic.
I've changed my mind, I think it kinda works and I guess we'll find for sure in the upcoming issues. I think Brissa has already demonstrated individual qualities that the Cimmerian would respect and as mentioned above, she looks good too.
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Post by Von K on Aug 17, 2023 17:04:40 GMT -5
The above makes sense, a little like how Deckard in the original Blade Runner was only able to kill two unarmed female replicants, shooting one in the back, but had to be saved from being wiped out by the other two male replicants, one of them sparing his life at the end. That would be somewhere in '4- LOW MIMETIC- The hero is neither superior in degree or environment. Realism. We are like the hero.' Situation is desperate and you think if he keeps this job going he will be taken out next week or month after that. Almost kinda like you imagine yourself to be in that situation. That adds to the suspense and tension of the situation and works well in some genre movies, remember The Warriors and Escape from New York. Conan definitely fits into the strong side of 2-ROMANTIC, maybe with shades of 3 at times, but then again, the same could be said for Batman and other non powered protagonists. Many of the most popular superheroes seem to fit Frye's category 2: Conan, Batman, Punisher, Captain America, Black Widow, Tony Stark (tho he's def cat 1 when wearing the Iron Man suit). Among the villains perhaps Victor von Doom without his armour fits this category as well, and maybe Lex Luthor?
'Course, Frye's system is one of literary categories. In terms of actual character power for superheroes Marvel's own power rating system has more gradations.
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Post by Von K on Aug 20, 2023 15:13:52 GMT -5
James Reasoner's review: Conan the Barbarian #1 - Jim Zub and Roberto de la TorreFull review here:
(Thanks to DMR Books for the link).
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 24, 2023 11:13:24 GMT -5
CONAN BARBARIAN #1 3RD PTG FOIL LOGO CVR PANOSIAN B&W VIRGIN This special third printing features a Foiled Logo Cover wraparound with an exclusive Dan Panosian B&W virgin variant underneath. In Shops: Sep 27, 2023 Final Orders Due: Aug 28, 2023 www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JUL238526
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Post by hun on Aug 24, 2023 11:44:31 GMT -5
CONAN BARBARIAN #1 3RD PTG FOIL LOGO CVR PANOSIAN B&W VIRGIN This special third printing features a Foiled Logo Cover wraparound with an exclusive Dan Panosian B&W virgin variant underneath. In Shops: Sep 27, 2023 Final Orders Due: Aug 28, 2023 www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JUL238526The sword and axe are cropped in the comic book cover, not in the graphic novel.
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 25, 2023 10:36:54 GMT -5
OK FINALLY got the chance to read the FCBD issue and #1 together. In a word, WOW! What's not to like? Amazing artwork, solid writing up there with the best of early to mid 70s pastiche. I literally cannot remember the last time I enjoyed reading a comic this much. Probably back in the Truman-Giorello King Conan days. Looks like it's going to be a great ride.
You see, Marvel? It didn't have to be so hard.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 25, 2023 20:44:03 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading it myself tonight. I really thought the artwork was fantastic, every page was a Sunday strip of old.
The writing was really good, too. I'm okay with Conan allying himself with a sexy Pict against an undead horde.
Would REH have done it? Who knows.
But this is what I have been begging for since Cullen Bullen's Conan: the Slayer, readable pastiche.
Regarding Zub's previous Conan outing, the subterranean dungeon arena arc was okay but I have to be honest, I didn't make it through the Khitai stuff for some reason I just finish it.... But he's really found his footing with Titan it seems.
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Post by Taurus on Aug 25, 2023 21:16:26 GMT -5
I have read it too and enjoyed it a lot. The art is fantastic, there is really nothing to nitpic about and it is fair to say De La Torre has set the bar very high. Let's see what other artists follow. Colors are very good too. I am not really a fan of Villarrubia but his work fits in pretty well with the atmosphere here, so I give him props for doing a good job in this new series. But I have read that # 2 features a new colorist, who, judging by the preview, will follow Villarrubia steps in the right direction. As for the writing, it is early to jump into conclusions but #1 in general is solid and engaging. Waiting for # 2 to see how it all evolves.
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 26, 2023 6:40:02 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading it myself tonight. I really thought the artwork was fantastic, every page was a Sunday strip of old. The writing was really good, too. I'm okay with Conan allying himself with a sexy Pict against an undead horde. Would REH have done it? Who knows. But this is what I have been begging for since Cullen Bullen's Conan: the Slayer, readable pastiche. Regarding Zub's previous Conan outing, the subterranean dungeon arena arc was okay but I have to be honest, I didn't make it through the Khitai stuff for some reason I just finish it.... But he's really found his footing with Titan it seems. That was probably the last time writing and art were…good together. I was always holding my breath, hoping things didn’t go too far off the rails. But I wasn’t eagerly awaiting the next issue like I am with this one. It could go off the rails at any point but I’m not expecting it. It read like a DAW novel from the 70s, which is perfectly fine.
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Post by jeffshanks on Aug 27, 2023 11:58:40 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been a while! I just wanted to chime in and let you know how much the heroic signatures team appreciates the positive reception so far. I know not everybody's going to be happy about everything they do but but I will say that the passion and love for REH's characters and stories is very real. I wouldn't be working with them if that weren't the case. Scott's right when it comes to a pure interpretation of REH's source text. I guess the comics have always played a little fast and loose with REH's canon and it's kind of expected and accepted to some degree. They are touching base with REH scholar Jeff Shanks on the new Titan series so I'd guess he'd clue them in on any major points, trying to strike a balance between canon and allowing them enough creative freedom to riff on REH's core material. You hit the nail on the head here. Trying to strike that balance with the advice I'm giving them is exactly what I've been trying to do, and Brissa is a great example of that. I don't want to give away any spoilers for the rest of the arc, but I will say that Jim absolutely has a narrative reason for why she is a Pict and there is a reason why she doesn't look like your typical HA Pict. I do address it a little in my essay at the end of issue 2. And yeah my explanation is stretching the canon a little bit and is maybe a little retconnish, but I hope it once the ark is finished you'll understand a little bit better what the thinking was here. I will come back for sure here after issue two drops if you guys want to go into the weeds more about it. With regard to Scott's blog post, here's my comment from Facebook: Just for the record, I have worked with both Scott Oden and Jim Zub and they are both great guys and amazing writers, and both of them are passionate REH fans. And they are both professionals. My take is that there is no true REH Conan other than that which Howard wrote himself -- everything else is pastiche. Some pastiche may be better than others, some may have a different take on the original material than others, some mediums may have different needs and requirements, and all of that is okay. We all have different tastes. But at the end of the day, what matters is the pure REH texts have been out for 20 years now -- a full generation -- and nobody's taking that away. That war was won a long time ago and no amount of comics or games or movies is going to change that. So have fun and enjoy what you like!
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 27, 2023 13:02:50 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been a while! I just wanted to chime in and let you know how much the heroic signatures team appreciates the positive reception so far. I know not everybody's going to be happy about everything they do but but I will say that the passion and love for REH's characters and stories is very real. I wouldn't be working with them if that weren't the case. Scott's right when it comes to a pure interpretation of REH's source text. I guess the comics have always played a little fast and loose with REH's canon and it's kind of expected and accepted to some degree. They are touching base with REH scholar Jeff Shanks on the new Titan series so I'd guess he'd clue them in on any major points, trying to strike a balance between canon and allowing them enough creative freedom to riff on REH's core material. You hit the nail on the head here. Trying to strike that balance with the advice I'm giving them is exactly what I've been trying to do, and Brissa is a great example of that. I don't want to give away any spoilers for the rest of the arc, but I will say that Jim absolutely has a narrative reason for why she is a Pict and there is a reason why she doesn't look like your typical HA Pict. I do address it a little in my essay at the end of issue 2. And yeah my explanation is stretching the canon a little bit and is maybe a little retconnish, but I hope it once the ark is finished you'll understand a little bit better what the thinking was here. I will come back for sure here after issue two drops if you guys want to go into the weeds more about it. With regard to Scott's blog post, here's my comment from Facebook: Just for the record, I have worked with both Scott Oden and Jim Zub and they are both great guys and amazing writers, and both of them are passionate REH fans. And they are both professionals. My take is that there is no true REH Conan other than that which Howard wrote himself -- everything else is pastiche. Some pastiche may be better than others, some may have a different take on the original material than others, some mediums may have different needs and requirements, and all of that is okay. We all have different tastes. But at the end of the day, what matters is the pure REH texts have been out for 20 years now -- a full generation -- and nobody's taking that away. That war was won a long time ago and no amount of comics or games or movies is going to change that. So have fun and enjoy what you like! Welcome back Jeff! Enjoyed seeing the afterward, hopefully more to come along the way!
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Post by Von K on Aug 27, 2023 19:29:06 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been a while! I just wanted to chime in and let you know how much the heroic signatures team appreciates the positive reception so far. I know not everybody's going to be happy about everything they do but but I will say that the passion and love for REH's characters and stories is very real. I wouldn't be working with them if that weren't the case. Scott's right when it comes to a pure interpretation of REH's source text. I guess the comics have always played a little fast and loose with REH's canon and it's kind of expected and accepted to some degree. They are touching base with REH scholar Jeff Shanks on the new Titan series so I'd guess he'd clue them in on any major points, trying to strike a balance between canon and allowing them enough creative freedom to riff on REH's core material. You hit the nail on the head here. Trying to strike that balance with the advice I'm giving them is exactly what I've been trying to do, and Brissa is a great example of that. I don't want to give away any spoilers for the rest of the arc, but I will say that Jim absolutely has a narrative reason for why she is a Pict and there is a reason why she doesn't look like your typical HA Pict. I do address it a little in my essay at the end of issue 2. And yeah my explanation is stretching the canon a little bit and is maybe a little retconnish, but I hope it once the ark is finished you'll understand a little bit better what the thinking was here. I will come back for sure here after issue two drops if you guys want to go into the weeds more about it. With regard to Scott's blog post, here's my comment from Facebook: Just for the record, I have worked with both Scott Oden and Jim Zub and they are both great guys and amazing writers, and both of them are passionate REH fans. And they are both professionals. My take is that there is no true REH Conan other than that which Howard wrote himself -- everything else is pastiche. Some pastiche may be better than others, some may have a different take on the original material than others, some mediums may have different needs and requirements, and all of that is okay. We all have different tastes. But at the end of the day, what matters is the pure REH texts have been out for 20 years now -- a full generation -- and nobody's taking that away. That war was won a long time ago and no amount of comics or games or movies is going to change that. So have fun and enjoy what you like! Thanks for dropping by Jeff! Kinda miss the old days when you and Mark and Chris and so many others used to regularly hang out on the old forum.
I think the team Titan have assembled have been making great decisions so far and for them to have you advising them is a major league asset. I've been impressed with what's been discussed in the various interviews that I've seen. And the great issue 1 speaks for itself.
With regard to Scott's comment and the general point in question I think that REH himself might have sympathised with both sides in the discussion. He knew the value of working from a consistent backdrop even though he lived in an age when readers were not so appreciative of that kind of worldbuilding as we are now. But he was not beyond a bit of retconning himself when the need arose, like adding the Acheronian Empire into his Hyborian Age setting.
Jim mentioned in an interview possibly referencing some of the Dark Horse material during his run with the title. Before your post my hunch would have been that he may include a call back to some of Tim Truman's material from his Wolves Beyond the Border adaptation for Dark Horse.
But now I'm not so sure. I'm really curious as to know what direction you and Jim have taken when issue 2 drops.
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Post by irondavith on Aug 28, 2023 6:15:56 GMT -5
Enjoyed the FCBD issue and I want to support any new Conan material. I've decided to go digital for this as I still have about eight omnibuses that need homes 😅. Is there any way except kindle/amazon? Somewhere that the authors/publishers take less of a hit? I'll bet amazon takes a good chunk.
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